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post 1514551941 08-04-2017, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Really not in thejob description. It's an individual's decision that could go either way.

Holding someone is one thing. Holding them while trying to cuff them is a different challenge altogether. Even if you were twice as big and twice and strong, it would still be difficult to do when they're struggling against you.
lol this,

Even trying to manhandle a 50lb dog to put on a leash is a hassle when they're squirming around.
post 1514555901 08-04-2017, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted By midniteOG⏩
I do a similar job, unless she was stealing, policy wise for him/target he cant do that, and cant handcuff on the ground. More than likely he will be fired unfortunatley
She was grabbing **** and throwing it at people. That's worse than stealing. That's stealing and breaking and harming other customers/stuff.

If you can't cuff someone for that what the **** can you cuff them for?
post 1514556221 08-04-2017, 05:14 PM
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post 1514556681 08-04-2017, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
LMAO I forgot about this video. Autistic shrieking at 2:00 was almost too much for me.
Lol @ that chick. "He attacked me!!!" I'm actually impressed with the restraint that he showed. Lucky she was female tbh... if it had been a dude (even a small one) kicking up a fuss like that he'd have been choke slammed right there in the store.
post 1514557481 08-04-2017, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Have you ever tried it?This.

Imagine you're in the checkout reading the latest issue of National Inquirer and that bottle of pop came from out of nowhere and bopped you upside the head. You'd expect some employee to do something.
If that happened to me, I'd dam sure be looking to send it back where it came from. Lol.
post 1514557511 08-04-2017, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Lol @ that chick. "He attacked me!!!" I'm actually impressed with the restraint that he showed. Lucky she was female tbh... if it had been a dude (even a small one) kicking up a fuss like that he'd have been choke slammed right there in the store.
Truth. Lol if someone mentions male privilege I'm throwing them this video. Male privilege gets you dropped on your head.
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post 1514558971 08-04-2017, 05:49 PM
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Handcuffing is pure force. I promise a shift full of my co-workers couldnt get a pair on me with striking or using a baton/asp.

Little chicks like that are hard to cuff in that you can easily hurt them. I say he actually did a good job.
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post 1514559571 08-04-2017, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted By midniteOG⏩
Regardless of what you think, ill still have my job and itll be doen rigt. I never said i agreed with it, just stating facts. Customers figting/attacking eachother is between them anyway and in no way is in controls of the store
What is security's mission statement? Loss prevention and detainment of persons who wilfully surrender?
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post 1514559601 08-04-2017, 05:56 PM
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Sent the vid to my gf who works at target. She said the AP guy can do anything to detain. But the employees of target cannot.A volunteer firefighter at her work was fired the next day for helping an AP guy hold someone down....the more ya know fellas
post 1514560131 08-04-2017, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By keyrat786⏩
It's not as bad as the breakdown my previous neighbor had one time in the middle of the night.

Being a schizophrenic will do that to ya.
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post 1514560721 08-04-2017, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
What sucks is that for PR reasons, Target will probably have to fire him even though he technically did the right thing. Now days supermarket and grocery store security is only there topotentiallydeter theft (by simply having a presence) not to actually intervene in a confrontation. In a situation like this they'd probably prefer that the security call the cops just like anyone else would.
Finally some logic, but target can go hands on/reasonable force depending on the circumstances
Originally Posted By Leffenman⏩
She was grabbing **** and throwing it at people. That's worse than stealing. That's stealing and breaking and harming other customers/stuff.

If you can't cuff someone for that what the **** can you cuff them for?
Depends on state law, but policy is concealing/stealing merchandise and being aggressive. In this instance, target isnt invovled here other than it happening on the property
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post 1514561121 08-04-2017, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By xmeandix⏩
Sent the vid to my gf who works at target. She said the AP guy can do anything to detain. But the employees of target cannot.A volunteer firefighter at her work was fired the next day for helping an AP guy hold someone down....the more ya know fellas
Yes and no. Team members cannot intervene regardless of circumstances, however AP can only engage a shop lifter and do what they can legally (usually reasonable force) to detain, however cuffing on the ground is against policy, along with approaching the situation as he did and without attempting de escalation
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
What is security's mission statement? Loss prevention and detainment of persons who wilfully surrender?
Im not sure what you are asking?
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post 1514561361 08-04-2017, 06:12 PM
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I'm surprised target security actuslly carries cuffs tbh. Ours doesn't.
post 1514568251 08-04-2017, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted By midniteOG⏩
Yes and no. Team members cannot intervene regardless of circumstances, however AP can only engage a shop lifter and do what they can legally (usually reasonable force) to detain, however cuffing on the ground is against policy, along with approaching the situation as he did and without attempting de escalation



Im not sure what you are asking?
Purpose?
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post 1514570121 08-04-2017, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By wampa⏩
I'm not sure about this one

They can't just let someone steal, but what happened was worse than the store being stolen a piece of candy

But they can't just let someone steal things, even if it's just a small thing, as if they did then all small things would be stolen

Ideally they should get security that are strong, but gentle. Someone that could just pick the fragile kunts up and hold them in place without hurting them

Most of these video's seem to be a matter of the enforcer being too weak, which results in them needing to do "non gentle things", which results in the situation escalating

If they could prevent escalation while restraining, then that's the best outcome

And there should be no outcome where punches need to be thrown on someone that is unable to hurt you in any significant way
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post 1514570481 08-04-2017, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted By midniteOG⏩
Yes and no. Team members cannot intervene regardless of circumstances, however AP can only engage a shop lifter and do what they can legally (usually reasonable force) to detain, however cuffing on the ground is against policy, along with approaching the situation as he did and without attempting de escalation



Im not sure what you are asking?
He is (I think) asking what's the point of the security people. Are they just there for people who just give up when challenged? Or are they actually able to... you know.. provide security beyond just being a presence.
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post 1514580471 08-04-2017, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Purpose?
Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
He is (I think) asking what's the point of the security peoyple. Are they just there for people who just give up when challenged? Or are they actually able to... you know.. provide security beyond just being a presence.
I see.... "to protect people, profits and reputation"

The reason its called loss prevention is because instead of being "security" in this sense, they are there to protect merchandise and employees. What happens between two people, while on the property, is not in their control. They are not police, they are not there to enforce the law other than shoplifting.
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post 1514581901 08-04-2017, 09:54 PM
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ground and pound? More like grappling ability

homeboy did pretty well though. you can tell he has no previous grappling or wrestling experience though because he didn't try to pull off any submissions off muscle memory once though haha
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he needs to put his knee on her head to pin her down like the cops do...
Originally Posted By midniteOG⏩
I see.... "to protect people, profits and reputation"

The reason its called loss prevention is because instead of being "security" in this sense, they are there to protect merchandise and employees. What happens between two people, while on the property, is not in their control. They are not police, they are not there to enforce the law other than shoplifting.
shoplifting, trespass, if they see assault going on they an arrest, they have all the power a regular citizen has, generally companies just want them to do lpo work though if they can call cops for anything else
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lol at that bitch screaming help what a fukin pussy. she needs jesus.

also ap at my store can arrest ppl
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