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post 1516531481 08-21-2017, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
wtf I'm taking a sht load of water cuz it's suppose to clear out the sht load of supps I thought

Ehh I don't really wanna stop taking the supps cuz then my gains...
why don't you just try what he suggested for a few weeks/months and then do the tests again?

also LMAO @ thinking if you stop with your fish oil, vit d, optimen, protein, you'll lose your gains. LMAO just fukkin LMAO. how old are you, 15?
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Originally Posted By ArmbroEcho⏩
OP I take 15-20 grams a day of vitamin C, and about 8 grams a day or lysine and proline. Also take zinc, fish. oil, multi, b12, selenium, aspirin, vit E and D, potassium, garlic, and about 5 others.

Now look at my age in my avi.

I just had my blood work done and it was perfect. Even the kidneys when all I have heard from everyone who THINKS they know is taking that much vit C is bad for them. Since starting to take 20 grams a day 5 years ago, which is 20,000% more than the average person gets a day...my skin is amazing, great energy, cholesterol way down, energy way up, and my heart feels awesome. It actually cured my twin bro of his heart disease. All goes back to collagen and inflammation from low grade scurvy as a result of not getting enough vit C.

I get much of my via C Fit pre workout and BCAA mix. 3 grams per dose baby.Average person might only get 100 mgs a day.
is your avi chopped?

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your supplements look excessive lol, besides the creatine. everything can be gotten from food and the ****ing sun lol
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Originally Posted By MakeABanana⏩
or 3) there's additional substances that are impairing tubular secretion of creatinine (e.g. Bactrim). There's the pharmacy correlate for you.

I'm an actual doctor and I can confirm this. Similarly, people who are paralyzed or are missing limbs tend to have lower serum creatinine because they have less muscle mass. Creatinine is a decent surrogate for kidney function.

OP, I've never evaluated you so I can't interpret your kidney numbers. Could some other supplements be causing kidney damage? Sure. The supplement industry in the US in under flimsy regulations so while there are reputable supplement companies other putting out quality products, there are others out there with more shady business practices.

It may be worthy to get a second opinion from another doctor who has more experience with lifters.



Over how long were these two measurements taken? If you had progressive kidney damage, that number should be going up over time. Even if you have normal creatinine numbers, there are other markers that may suggest kidney damage such as protein in your urine. Even if you consume a high protein diet, your kidneys are supposed to be able to filter proteins from entering the urine.

The other thing is that reference ranges are established by finding an upper and lower limit that encompasses a 95% of the population in the "normal range". Since you're a lifter, some of your numbers may fall slightly out of the range. From a reference range point of view, your numbers are barely high and a lab error is all that is needed to put you in and out of range.

Numbers are one thing. Correlating them with the patient's presentation is another.
My bad I confused the numbers

The range max is 1.2 I had 1.4 2 years ago and right now it's 1.3
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Originally Posted By OrificeSpunk⏩
Fix your diet instead of adding low quality supplements to fill in the voids. Add in broc****/kale/oranges if you want vit c


Edit: I can't say broccoli? the fuk mods?
The problem with that is, and believe me everyone should be eating healthy, but if you try to get enough vit C from just eating food, you never will. One orange for example might have only 50 mgs of C in it. You would have to eat 20 am day just to get one gram.
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
So I looked through my report and it doesn't say vitamin c at all...

Why didn't they test it
Because the body does not store it, hence why it is so important to take the proper amounts every day.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Vitamin C is not a miracle pill. That is some bullchit Linus Pauling tried to push on people when he started going crazy. Vitamin C certainly serves a lot of useful purposes, and is generally good for you, but any excess is going to be simply pissed away and probably won't be too great for your kidneys in the long run.
I have been taking 15-20 grams a day, without fail, for almost 6 years now. Had my blood and kidneys tested 3 weeks ago. Results came back perfect.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Vitamin C is not a miracle pill. That is some bullchit Linus Pauling tried to push on people when he started going crazy. Vitamin C certainly serves a lot of useful purposes, and is generally good for you, but any excess is going to be simply pissed away and probably won't be too great for your kidneys in the long run.
And understand that the medical industry makes billions of dollars off of the treatment for diseases that taking more C can prevent, so they have a vested interest in poo-pooing how well C works.

Linus Pauling was a Nobel prize winner who lived to the age of 95 I believe while fighting cancer the last 20 years of his life with the help of vit C. He literally saved my twin brothers life. He had a heart attack with 2 stents and 3 blockages 6 years ago. Almost died and felt horrible for a year when on the doctors drugs to treat it. In fact the one block without the stent grew by 30%. He found Paulings regiment, got off the drugs, and within a year his heart disease was gone. He is alive and well today living a great life. No medical drug can do that.
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Coming from a guy who used supps throughout his 20's, and just had testicular cancer, I would minimize the supps you're taking as much as possible. I'd also consider switching from whey to organic plant based protein.

If you're gonna be taking a ****load of supps, eat tons of fruits and veggies which help detox and strengthen your body on a cellular level like berries and bananas. Brocolli, spinach and turmeric. Eat as clean as possible. Try to make your own food and avoid eating out unless it's from a good restaurant you trust. Stay away from fast food.
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Vit D maybe if you're not getting enough sunlight, maybe zinc, but all the rest, jesus just get your diet in check, save yourself some money too.
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Originally Posted By ArmbroEcho⏩
And understand that the medical industry makes billions of dollars off of the treatment for diseases that taking more C can prevent, so they have a vested interest in poo-pooing how well C works.

Linus Pauling was a Nobel prize winner who lived to the age of 95 I believe while fighting cancer the last 20 years of his life with the help of vit C. He literally saved my twin brothers life. He had a heart attack with 2 stents and 3 blockages 6 years ago. Almost died and felt horrible for a year when on the doctors drugs to treat it. In fact the one block without the stent grew by 30%. He found Paulings regiment, got off the drugs, and within a year his heart disease was gone. He is alive and well today living a great life. No medical drug can do that.
Are you the same annoying Vitamin C shill from fit-misc?
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I would cut protein powder unless you really suck at eating

The rest I would do every other day or 3rd day.....you don't need all that chit and you're wasting your money. Your body can only store so much,.....why keep over doing it and piss/chit it all out?

I do fish oils when I eat something super lean like a salad with no dressing, or a steak with little/no fat, or chicken.....
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Couldn't hurt to hop off em for a few weeks and see it things return to normal. But ffs why r u taking all that chit?

I hope you're researching those supps on google scholar and not just buying whatever some miscer/retard/blogger said put his test levels through the roof (even though that looks exactly like what you're doing)
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
My bad I confused the numbers

The range max is 1.2 I had 1.4 2 years ago and right now it's 1.3
So your numbers actually got better. You don't tend to see that with kidney disease.
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A lot of unawares on the misc.
I am a process engineer.
Heres some logic: supplements is a big business, maintaining consistent quality control is expensive. Also depending on where you live legislation has loopholes which can be utilised to produce "defective" supplements. If you live in America legislation bodies such as the FDA for instance are all corrupted.
Keep taking your supps and you risk getting sick.

No thanks jeff to supps
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Originally Posted By danny0880⏩
A lot of unawares on the misc.
I am a process engineer.
Heres some logic: supplements is a big business, maintaining consistent quality control is expensive. Also depending on where you live legislation has loopholes which can be utilised to produce "defective" supplements. If you live in America legislation bodies such as the FDA for instance are all corrupted.
Keep taking your supps and you risk getting sick.

No thanks jeff to supps
Actually, most of Americans don't take them. Take a good look around then tell us how well they're doing?
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Originally Posted By Malnourishment⏩
lol @ "took vitamin C and now my heart disease is gone."
Science says you're wrong.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0056803
Fruits and vegetables are what are known to both reverse heart disease and contain vitamin C (which, btw, cannot even be absorbed into the body at levels over 200mg - you pee everything else out), but it's not because of the vitamin C.

Also, you have the fakest, gayest chopped avi I have ever seen.
Don't knock it until you've tried it. Also, if I had a dollar for ever time science has been wrong and/or reversed itself, I'd be a millionaire. By the way the world is flat -- so says science.
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Don't know it until you've tried it. Also, if I had a dollar for ever time science has been wrong and/or reversed itself, I'd be a millionaire. By the way the world is flat -- so says science.
I'm all for holistic and natural healing methods and take a number of ayurvedic herbs myself, but they are supported by SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
Read my edit. He's a fakking shill. There's no science that supports any of what he said. If there were even a glimmer of evidence that any of it's true, it would be out there somewhere.He's advertising a chitty product that shouldn't even be bought or consumed due to the ignorance of the individual marketing it.
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Originally Posted By Malnourishment⏩
I'm all for holistic and natural healing methods and take a number of ayurvedic herbs myself, but they are supported by SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
Read my edit. He's a fakking shill. There's no science that supports any of what he said. If there were even a glimmer of evidence that any of it's true, it would be out there somewhere.He's advertising a chitty product that shouldn't even be bought or consumed due to the ignorance of the individual marketing it.
And you're missing my point. Science has failed us many times (especially when it comes to nutrition and health) and within that time has caused as many tragedies as it has had successes. If that's the foundation you're standing on then its not a very secure one. Tread circumspectly.
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Anyone who lifts will have high kidney values due to the turnover of muscle protein. Doesn't matter if they take any supps. Find another doc who knows more about sports science.
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fkn lol @ this thread

We have some Miscers leaving humanity behind with their crazy doses of the "supps" that actually get results.

Then we have some fretting that taking some creatine or fish oil is going to kill them.
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
And you're missing my point. Science has failed us many times (especially when it comes to nutrition and health) and within that time has caused as many tragedies as it has had successes. If that's the foundation you're standing on then its not a very secure one. Tread circumspectly.
Ya don't think it might be wise to rely on, ya know, tiny shreds of evidence and not go against the science for no phukking apparent reason, aka being a kook? Yeah, such a smart idea, gonna go mega dose every water soluble vitamin long term and see what happens. Even tho there are documented negative side effects to that, but you wouldn't care about that cus you irrationally believe niacin megadoses will help you leave humanity behind! Fuk science and logic and all that stuff cus science sux!!! Self experimentation in dumb ways 4 lief!!!

I'm not missing your point at all. Your point is just oversimplified.
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Originally Posted By Malnourishment⏩
Ya don't think it might be wise to rely on, ya know, tiny shreds of evidence and not go against the science for no phukking apparent reason, aka being a kook? Yeah, such a smart idea, gonna go mega dose every water soluble vitamin long term and see what happens. Even tho there are documented negative side effects to that, but you wouldn't care about that cus you irrationally believe niacin megadoses will help you leave humanity behind! Fuk science and logic and all that stuff cus science sux!!! Self experimentation in dumb ways 4 lief!!!

I'm not missing your point at all. Your point is just oversimplified.
One question: have you tried it? That's also a part of the scientific method.
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
One question: have you tried it? That's also a part of the scientific method.
Just a few issues with your proposition:
n=1
Placebo effect
Confounding variables
Confirmation bias
Anecdotal evidence
Clinical relevance
Lack of actual scientific equipment and knowledge to measure results with

Brb gonna start drinking cat urine cus it just might turn me into Superman. Doing things that have no rhyme or reason doesn't make sense. I would sooner eat bull testicles for strength because that has stronger anecdotal evidence than long term vitamin C ultradoses.
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Well taking creatine supplements alone leads to increased serum creatinine (which is the marker we use to determine renal function). So it's very possible that your blood tests are leading your doctor to think that your kidneys are impaired due to the high creatinine when actually it's just there as the metabolite of your supplement. And your kidneys might actually be fine.

However, ignore your doctor's advice at your own peril. If I had a dollar for every time some idiot assumed they knew better than their doctor . . .
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