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I always smile when I see these threads and keep quiet , but I'll voice my opinion here.
I completed a 16 month electrical maintenance course, and landed a job at a combined cycle power plant at age 25. My first year I made 103k and that number went up every year. This year I'll make well over 130k.
My hourly rate is 41.15 , and between overtime and a very generous bonus of about 12k every year in March, I do very well for myself as a tradie. And no I do not live in a big city. I live in eastern Pennsylvania about an hour north of Philadelphia. Very low cost of living. I am 31 years old now and on my way to retirement at 50. That is if I decide to stay in this field. Who knows where life will take me and I do have other interests I would like to pursue.
I don't get rustled by the tradie talk here, I just smile and keep it moving most of the time. But , in the right trade, you can and will do better than most white collar workers. Skilled trades are a lost career and those in them are doing very well.
I completed a 16 month electrical maintenance course, and landed a job at a combined cycle power plant at age 25. My first year I made 103k and that number went up every year. This year I'll make well over 130k.
My hourly rate is 41.15 , and between overtime and a very generous bonus of about 12k every year in March, I do very well for myself as a tradie. And no I do not live in a big city. I live in eastern Pennsylvania about an hour north of Philadelphia. Very low cost of living. I am 31 years old now and on my way to retirement at 50. That is if I decide to stay in this field. Who knows where life will take me and I do have other interests I would like to pursue.
I don't get rustled by the tradie talk here, I just smile and keep it moving most of the time. But , in the right trade, you can and will do better than most white collar workers. Skilled trades are a lost career and those in them are doing very well.
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Originally Posted By PermaBulk610⏩
Want to work in a plant, dream job.I always smile when I see these threads and keep quiet , but I'll voice my opinion here.
I completed a 16 month electrical maintenance course, and landed a job at a combined cycle power plant at age 25. My first year I made 103k and that number went up every year. This year I'll make well over 130k.
My hourly rate is 41.15 , and between overtime and a very generous bonus of about 12k every year in March, I do very well for myself as a tradie. And no I do not live in a big city. I live in eastern Pennsylvania about an hour north of Philadelphia. Very low cost of living. I am 31 years old now and on my way to retirement at 50. That is if I decide to stay in this field. Who knows where life will take me and I do have other interests I would like to pursue.
I don't get rustled by the tradie talk here, I just smile and keep it moving most of the time. But , in the right trade, you can and will do better than most white collar workers. Skilled trades are a lost career and those in them are doing very well.
I completed a 16 month electrical maintenance course, and landed a job at a combined cycle power plant at age 25. My first year I made 103k and that number went up every year. This year I'll make well over 130k.
My hourly rate is 41.15 , and between overtime and a very generous bonus of about 12k every year in March, I do very well for myself as a tradie. And no I do not live in a big city. I live in eastern Pennsylvania about an hour north of Philadelphia. Very low cost of living. I am 31 years old now and on my way to retirement at 50. That is if I decide to stay in this field. Who knows where life will take me and I do have other interests I would like to pursue.
I don't get rustled by the tradie talk here, I just smile and keep it moving most of the time. But , in the right trade, you can and will do better than most white collar workers. Skilled trades are a lost career and those in them are doing very well.
Currently in construction with 5 years experience. About to graduate from electrical apprenticeship next year. What do you think would be a good next step? Was thinking linesman school so I can get substation experience but idk.
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Originally Posted By xMetalocalypse⏩
Puerto Rico! LOLWant to work in a plant, dream job.
Currently in construction with 5 years experience. About to graduate from electrical apprenticeship next year. What do you think would be a good next step? Was thinking linesman school so I can get substation experience but idk.
Currently in construction with 5 years experience. About to graduate from electrical apprenticeship next year. What do you think would be a good next step? Was thinking linesman school so I can get substation experience but idk.
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It's all over the place with tradies. I see some making dirt but I see others making huge salaries. Tends to be those in unions or who work for rich contractor firms. Wife's dad peaked at over $200k although he was a superintendent which is pretty high up.
But I have a few carpenter friends who aren't making that much and they work for smaller companies.
It's just all over the place man.
But I have a few carpenter friends who aren't making that much and they work for smaller companies.
It's just all over the place man.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
Gotta link? I can probably explain if I know what you are talking about.why does the bureau of labor stats show much more reasonable salaries for trades? the anecdotes are just that.
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction...ectricians.htmGotta link? I can probably explain if I know what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
Thanks. I will be back to this thread.ALL I ASK IS ALL YOU GOT FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
People like feel good stories bro. Why do you think that BS movie Forrest Gump won an oscar?why does the bureau of labor stats show much more reasonable salaries for trades? the anecdotes are just that.
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I wish I had some advice on how to land a job in the field but the truth is, I was very lucky. I actually got in on a cold call and I was first a temp position running the store room lol. Some idiot got fired for doctoring his time and sleeping on the job. That created the opening for me and I was liked enough to get the operator position. I had no experience in the industry at all.
To maybe answer your question a little better I can tell you a bit about the backgrounds of the guys I work with.
2/3 of them are ex navy guys. Mechanical, or boiler operators. A few navy nukes.
The other 1/3 had some sort of industrial experience , as in electrical, welding, mechanical experience etc. Only a few , maybe 5 or so had previous power plant experience. My plant was built in the early 00s, and most of the guys here have been here since start up.
To maybe answer your question a little better I can tell you a bit about the backgrounds of the guys I work with.
2/3 of them are ex navy guys. Mechanical, or boiler operators. A few navy nukes.
The other 1/3 had some sort of industrial experience , as in electrical, welding, mechanical experience etc. Only a few , maybe 5 or so had previous power plant experience. My plant was built in the early 00s, and most of the guys here have been here since start up.
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Originally Posted By xMetalocalypse⏩
My post #102 was for you, I forgot to quote uWant to work in a plant, dream job.
Currently in construction with 5 years experience. About to graduate from electrical apprenticeship next year. What do you think would be a good next step? Was thinking linesman school so I can get substation experience but idk.
Currently in construction with 5 years experience. About to graduate from electrical apprenticeship next year. What do you think would be a good next step? Was thinking linesman school so I can get substation experience but idk.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Lmao you are so shook.The fact that you think comparing abnormally high trade salaries to most white collar jobs is even more retarded. Facts are facts. People with degrees earn more
Keep posting extreme outlier anecdotes and cherry pick your data though. Its really making your case.
My wife's friend's father owns an investment firm, has multiple degrees and is selling his second home for something bigger. List price is 2.8M. This is fun actually. I like your anecdote game.
Keep posting extreme outlier anecdotes and cherry pick your data though. Its really making your case.
My wife's friend's father owns an investment firm, has multiple degrees and is selling his second home for something bigger. List price is 2.8M. This is fun actually. I like your anecdote game.
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lmao you are so ignorantLmao you are so shook.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
regardless of what you do you were still wrong. Your whole argument was wrong. Also you complained about me using outliers and use your friends father who owns an investment firm as an example. Pretty contradictory. I could do the same thing with a construction contractor but it wouldnt mean anything. Successful entrepreneurs dont really fall into either category.lmao you are so ignorant
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What was I wrong about specifically? Actually when you pinned down a point, I agreed with youregardless of what you do you were still wrong. Your whole argument was wrong. Also you complained about me using outliers and use your friends father who owns an investment firm as an example. Pretty contradictory. I could do the same thing with a construction contractor but it wouldnt mean anything. Successful entrepreneurs dont really fall into either category.
I was goofing on you dude. That example was just as ridiculous as the crane operator example you gave
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Originally Posted By theone94⏩
Its no different in the trades. The smarter you are the more you can learn to do the more you make. Particularly when you get into jobs that most people don't have the mental capacity to perform or to perform with the speed and efficiency required to be good at it.People like feel good stories bro. Why do you think that BS movie Forrest Gump won an oscar?
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
I went thru it and its way, way too general to get a feel for how much you can make as a tradie. And its not about being exceptional at your job, its just about positioning yourself in the right type of work or the right type of firm. For instance look at equipment operators. It says $21.65/hour median salary. I pulled that one out because I fully agree with it, and that's right around what we paid our excavator guys at my old company...somewhere around $20-25 depending on experience and skill level. But at the same company our pump truck operators made closer to $35. It was a much tougher job requiring more thinking and understanding of how concrete works, and you needed some mechanical skills to fix things on the spot if something went wrong with the truck. A crane operator would be in a similar position of needing more knowledge and the stakes are higher than for an excavator operator, so he'd make more money as well.why does the bureau of labor stats show much more reasonable salaries for trades? the anecdotes are just that.
What they are doing is kind of like what I said above where you are combining too many levels of people aka people who are positioned differently in their craft together. Its like combining general practice doctors, specialists, surgeons, etc into "medical doctors" and saying people are full of chit when they say people make a lot more than the median salary given.
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Originally Posted By Weaklifts1x1⏩
phukking indian outsourcing.What I do not understand is why so many people in trades commit or try to commit suicide when we implement technological advances that eliminate their position.
I developed a solution to save a ton of money by buying specialty welders that could be operated by anyone. So a whole department of welders were let go. One committed suicide and others went to therapy (my wife is a counselor). If the occupational outlook was so bright, why did that matter?
In my job, I know I'll be replaced bysoftware or an Indian or outsourcing of some kind so it's constant reskilling and no sad day when my boss tells me I've been replaced by an app built by a 13 year old.
If trades are so great and the money so good, why do they have such a high rate of substance abuse problems and suicide? I don't get it.
I developed a solution to save a ton of money by buying specialty welders that could be operated by anyone. So a whole department of welders were let go. One committed suicide and others went to therapy (my wife is a counselor). If the occupational outlook was so bright, why did that matter?
In my job, I know I'll be replaced bysoftware or an Indian or outsourcing of some kind so it's constant reskilling and no sad day when my boss tells me I've been replaced by an app built by a 13 year old.
If trades are so great and the money so good, why do they have such a high rate of substance abuse problems and suicide? I don't get it.
as the world gets more connected, we are going to rely on indian outsourcing. why? its because you have a bunch of indians that are taught from age 5 through 18 how to go to school and program, and its their lives. all their lives. no playtime. programming. and they are willing to work for cheap AF.
BRB graduate with comp sci degree wanted 60K starting a year, company hires punjab alabarshivarajajajashudishrabalshivabunti from bangladesh who is willling to work for 2 dollars an hour and can out program you when he was 12.
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lol @ tradies.
I do not question a lot of them make 100k+ BUT very very very unlikely that is on 40 hour work weeks and not wrecking there body in some way.
Up here I know several who make that a year but they work 60+ hour weeks and deal with all types of work site hazards, fumes...etc...etc.
I will take my 110+k office job and work my 9-5 with hour long lunch and big car allowance and may deal with some back issues from being at a desk.
I do not question a lot of them make 100k+ BUT very very very unlikely that is on 40 hour work weeks and not wrecking there body in some way.
Up here I know several who make that a year but they work 60+ hour weeks and deal with all types of work site hazards, fumes...etc...etc.
I will take my 110+k office job and work my 9-5 with hour long lunch and big car allowance and may deal with some back issues from being at a desk.
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
That's factored into the salary, though. People with that title can make more and less to give the median salary. it's definitely not nearly as specific as what you are saying and gives averages, but i guarantee its closer to reality than what people are claiming anecdotally around the country. the top tier who are specialized and have years of experience will make what you say and will probably have a different job title - which will yield closer results. 1st day on the job guy making 15 will factor in as well. Physician specialties are distinct and require specific state and board qualifications to practice each specialty, so that's easier to distinguish. If i wanted to work 80 hrs a week i'd make 300k a year too, but that's not a reflection of how well pharmacists typically do. At the end of the day, the average equipment operator working a typical schedule will make that. Those making what some in here claim are the greater than 2 SD outliers - the proudmanlets of the tradies, if you will lmao.Its no different in the trades. The smarter you are the more you can learn to do the more you make. Particularly when you get into jobs that most people don't have the mental capacity to perform or to perform with the speed and efficiency required to be good at it.
I went thru it and its way, way too general to get a feel for how much you can make as a tradie. And its not about being exceptional at your job, its just about positioning yourself in the right type of work or the right type of firm. For instance look at equipment operators. It says $21.65/hour median salary. I pulled that one out because I fully agree with it, and that's right around what we paid our excavator guys at my old company...somewhere around $20-25 depending on experience and skill level. But at the same company our pump truck operators made closer to $35. It was a much tougher job requiring more thinking and understanding of how concrete works, and you needed some mechanical skills to fix things on the spot if something went wrong with the truck. A crane operator would be in a similar position of needing more knowledge and the stakes are higher than for an excavator operator, so he'd make more money as well.
What they are doing is kind of like what I said above where you are combining too many levels of people aka people who are positioned differently in their craft together. Its like combining general practice doctors, specialists, surgeons, etc into "medical doctors" and saying people are full of chit when they say people make a lot more than the median salary given.
I went thru it and its way, way too general to get a feel for how much you can make as a tradie. And its not about being exceptional at your job, its just about positioning yourself in the right type of work or the right type of firm. For instance look at equipment operators. It says $21.65/hour median salary. I pulled that one out because I fully agree with it, and that's right around what we paid our excavator guys at my old company...somewhere around $20-25 depending on experience and skill level. But at the same company our pump truck operators made closer to $35. It was a much tougher job requiring more thinking and understanding of how concrete works, and you needed some mechanical skills to fix things on the spot if something went wrong with the truck. A crane operator would be in a similar position of needing more knowledge and the stakes are higher than for an excavator operator, so he'd make more money as well.
What they are doing is kind of like what I said above where you are combining too many levels of people aka people who are positioned differently in their craft together. Its like combining general practice doctors, specialists, surgeons, etc into "medical doctors" and saying people are full of chit when they say people make a lot more than the median salary given.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
And you have an inferiority complex that's been broadcast all over the place lately. What's the matter bro?lmao you are so ignorant
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120k is peasant tradie money. When you get into GFs / Supers for skilled trades in O&G, you’re talking 200+ easily and they do minimal physical labour. Rig welders are another high earner — on our last three jobs we have been paying standard union pipefitter welder rates plus $50/hr for their rigs. However, a decent chunk of these guys will work like hell for 6 months to a year and then take the same amount of time off. Another chunk has substance abuse issues and / or three ex wives they pay alimony to. In the end, few are as wealthy as their saleries suggest. But it’s definitely possible to be a 25 year old JM tradie earning insane money.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
1. I get that its factored in, but people are having a tough time looking at the number and understanding how much it varies. They say anyone making X amount of dollars either don't exist (people are lying) or they are some kind of extreme outlier. I disagree with that notion.That's factored into the salary, though. People with that title can make more and less to give the median salary. the top tier who are specialized will make what you say and will probably have a different job title - which will yield closer results. 1st day on the job guy making 15 will factor in as well. Physician specialties are easily distinguishable and require specific qualifications to practice each specialty, so that's a bad example. If i wanted to work 80 hrs a week i'd make 300k a year too, but that's not a reflection of how well pharmacists typically do. At the end of the day, the average equipment operator will make that. Those making what some in here claim are the greater than 2 SD+ outliers - the proudmanlets of the tradies, if you will lmao.
2. Construction specialties are easily distinguishable as well. It was actually a damn good parallel as the different positions require different training, experience and sometimes qualifications. My whole point is you can't use a big label and slap it on a group that varies so widely. Go back and look at the link and it has a category for "Physicians and Surgeons" lumped together. That's really not a good way to look at it.
3. This is part of the consideration you have to make when choosing a career. I make less than some of the tradies I manage, because they are pulling in so much damn coin and working more hours than I am. I like my work day, and taking as long as I want at lunch, and rarely if ever having to go into work on a weekend or holiday, and not dealing with the weather, etc.
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What's hella interesting is that it takes longer to become proficient operating a crane than it does an f-35. And the operator makes a shot ton more than the pilot.
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
this is simple statistics. these numbers aren't made up and it should't be hard for anyone to interpret. All I am suggesting is that on average the vast majority in a specific job will earn closer to the average that is compiled by the bureau of labor than people are claiming anecdotally. If you work 100 hours a week and have hazard pay etc, then you are the outlier. You could make the same claim with any subset - of course more specifics will increase accuracy, but that doesn't detract from the larger data point.1. I get that its factored in, but people are having a tough time looking at the number and understanding how much it varies. Anyone making X amount of dollars either don't exist (people are lying) or they are some kind of extreme outlier. I disagree with that notion.
2. Construction specialties are easily distinguishable as well. It was actually a damn good parallel as the different positions require different training, experience and sometimes qualifications. My whole point is you can't use a big label and slap it on a group that varies so widely. Go back and look at the link and it has a category for "Physicians and Surgeons" lumped together. That's really not a good way to look at it.
3. This is part of the consideration you have to make when choosing a career. I make less than some of the tradies I manage, because they are pulling in so much damn coin and working more hours than I am. I like my work day, and taking as long as I want at lunch, and rarely if ever having to go into work on a weekend or holiday, and not dealing with the weather, etc.
2. Construction specialties are easily distinguishable as well. It was actually a damn good parallel as the different positions require different training, experience and sometimes qualifications. My whole point is you can't use a big label and slap it on a group that varies so widely. Go back and look at the link and it has a category for "Physicians and Surgeons" lumped together. That's really not a good way to look at it.
3. This is part of the consideration you have to make when choosing a career. I make less than some of the tradies I manage, because they are pulling in so much damn coin and working more hours than I am. I like my work day, and taking as long as I want at lunch, and rarely if ever having to go into work on a weekend or holiday, and not dealing with the weather, etc.
10-31-2017, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By CptClean⏩
I've always longed to be a non-lifting Canadian like youAnd you have an inferiority complex that's been broadcast all over the place lately. What's the matter bro?
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10-31-2017, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Canadians are a peaceful people. Cut it.I've always longed to be a non-lifting Canadian like you
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10-31-2017, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Sgt
No doubt I would trade in my 130k for a 100k job In finance. Probably even a 90k , my wife does well so I'd probably trade it for a 70k job with Monday to Friday dayshift hours if I'm being completely honest. It's not the work that I do that's tough , it's the swing shifts that are very hard. So I'm not even gonna lie and say I don't envy guys making 6 figures with cushy schedules.lol @ tradies.
I do not question a lot of them make 100k+ BUT very very very unlikely that is on 40 hour work weeks and not wrecking there body in some way.
Up here I know several who make that a year but they work 60+ hour weeks and deal with all types of work site hazards, fumes...etc...etc.
I will take my 110+k office job and work my 9-5 with hour long lunch and big car allowance and may deal with some back issues from being at a desk.
I do not question a lot of them make 100k+ BUT very very very unlikely that is on 40 hour work weeks and not wrecking there body in some way.
Up here I know several who make that a year but they work 60+ hour weeks and deal with all types of work site hazards, fumes...etc...etc.
I will take my 110+k office job and work my 9-5 with hour long lunch and big car allowance and may deal with some back issues from being at a desk.
That being said, the mentality of tradies being dumb is just asinine. I work with some of the smartest men out there. Getting accepted into the navy nuke program is not for the incompetent. If you're a nuke, you're a sharp guy and I work with ex navy nukes. A bit neurotic perhaps, but very bright .
If I could be paid what I'm getting paid now to work a cushy office job I would sign up tomorrow. So whatever that's worth, all I'm saying is there are some bright people in the trades and we are definitely making a lot of money.
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