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So...what was BEFORE the big bang exactly?
01-19-2018, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By RushEm⏩
nothingness i guessi mean...what was there? how was there anything for the universe itself to expand into?
we will never know, nor can
makes zero sense
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01-19-2018, 10:54 PM
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01-19-2018, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
It's a lot of small changes between segregated populations with limited gene flow between them until at some point, they diverge into distinct species because they can no longer interbreed. At first it would have been minor adaptations that conferred some amphibian type of advantage, etc. Speciation is the accumulation of many different adaptations along with limiting the crossbreeding to allow for distinct species to emerge. This all occurs over a very VERY long timescale. You have to realize that after many generations, populations can start becoming very different, and they may evolve novel adaptations to their environments. The finches in the Galapagos have actually been observed to speciate (in the looser sense of being significantly genetically distinct from another group). It wasn't a single fish that walked out of the water. It was a population of quasi fish amphibian creatures that had leg like fins and rudimentary forms of lungs that allowed them to breathe air that started to get out near coasts, but still spent most of their time in the water. It always comes from something else that was changed from something that was useful to the species it evolved from. It's like how hair, horns, and scales are all made from keratin. It's also a gradual shift in populations, not individuals. It's not like a single fish was born with the ability to walk on land while others couldn't. It's more like over time more fish accumulated adaptations that allowed them to spend more time on land. There was selection for those that could survive longer on land since they had more space and potentially a place to be safe from predators along with an abundance of food since arthropods were already on land.i know vid is over the top wincell and u are right about things you said when subjected it can change, but what made a fish or whatever get out of the ocean and learn to breathe, on a large scale like a single cell to human, i find that very hard to believe
there are cases of many big biologists go religious in later stages of their lives
there are cases of many big biologists go religious in later stages of their lives
01-19-2018, 10:57 PM
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01-19-2018, 11:00 PM
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The eerie thing is that there is an answer. Maybe the Universe continually expands and contracts and has always existed? It's very possible the Universe has always existed and that there are multiple Universes. There are so many theories but we truly don't know. However all the evidence does point to the big bang theory having some merit. Remember how limited our brains are: even though we can say words such as "eternity" we cannot truly cannot comprehend the notion. If you tell someone something happened 1 million years ago, or 1.5 million years ago they fuse the two together as if they are the same amount, and the larger the number the less grasp we have on the true difference. Just our time on Earth is so small it's not even worth mentioning in relation to the age of this planet. Most people think a few years is a long time, or they perceive it to be long.
I think our brains will have to be assisted with AI eventually because we may not be able to evolve fast enough or even be smart enough to truly dominate space exploration/colonization. We don't need to at this time to know what/why but only how we can leave - then again maybe the answer does relate to what/why?
Our minds are limited. Take opposites; we have good and evil, up and down, hot and cold, fast and slow, light and dark, a beginning and end, everything has a counter and absolute. Imagine another Universe or other dimensions were these don't even exist and there are a completely new set of laws and realities that we couldn't possibly understand.
Science and accepting we DON'T know the answers is the only way we will continue to further develop our technological intelligence.
Those who think they have the answers already via human creation do nothing to actually help with our only final goal of populating as much of the Universe as possible so our species doesn't die out. Humans need to realize we're not the center of the Universe or some special planet that somehow is an outlier from a near infinite space, it's conceited and narrow-minded. We're already discovering similar rocky planets, water existing on multiple planets, and yes we will have concrete proof of some other form of life sometime in the future.
I think our brains will have to be assisted with AI eventually because we may not be able to evolve fast enough or even be smart enough to truly dominate space exploration/colonization. We don't need to at this time to know what/why but only how we can leave - then again maybe the answer does relate to what/why?
Our minds are limited. Take opposites; we have good and evil, up and down, hot and cold, fast and slow, light and dark, a beginning and end, everything has a counter and absolute. Imagine another Universe or other dimensions were these don't even exist and there are a completely new set of laws and realities that we couldn't possibly understand.
Science and accepting we DON'T know the answers is the only way we will continue to further develop our technological intelligence.
Those who think they have the answers already via human creation do nothing to actually help with our only final goal of populating as much of the Universe as possible so our species doesn't die out. Humans need to realize we're not the center of the Universe or some special planet that somehow is an outlier from a near infinite space, it's conceited and narrow-minded. We're already discovering similar rocky planets, water existing on multiple planets, and yes we will have concrete proof of some other form of life sometime in the future.
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Itself and everything will go back to it.
Itself and everything will go back to it.
01-19-2018, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted By TrotonKat⏩
Oh I understand it. It's just completely wrong. If you say "nothing exists", then you must have a different notion of existence than me. Using any sensible definition of existence, if I can know anything exists at all, I'd probably have to start with myself, don't ya think? When I say "don't ya think?" I literally mean, don't you, Trotonkat, think? Because if you do, you probably think you exist. And if you exist, something definitely exists. Didn't read the rest of your ramblings, but that first sentence is pretty much wrong by your own evidence of your existence.Maybe you just can't understand it.
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01-19-2018, 11:09 PM
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01-19-2018, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Google is your friend, endless articles and videos on the science and evidence behind the big bang, thats on you if you dont care to research it or want to inject religion or belief into a conversastion where it does not belong. The theory was first propsed by a preist for gods sake. You can inject faith and belief into anything before or outside of the big bang since it is all conjecture no matter what, but the rapid expansion of our universe from a single point to the universe as we know it has been shown by every bit of evidence and mathmatical models so far, so not a belief."Science" guys having a hard time ITT


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01-19-2018, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
bro we don't have a clue.False equivalence. Tons of info on the big bang if you want to actually learn about why it is the current model and the evidence that we can observe that supports it. Redshift, wmap readings, partical accelerator findings, ect. This is not just something scientists pull out of thier a$$ and all blindly agree with, the big bang has been one of the most scrutinized theories over the years and the more evidence our technology allows us to obtain, the big bang model still fits perfectly, no scientist claims to “know” anything, we can only go off the evidence we have but that does not mean there is no truth to it.
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
01-19-2018, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
It is our most understood and well documented model for how the Universe began. To belittle it in such a childish way shows that you know nothing about the intricacies of the science and how complicated it really is."Science" guys having a hard time ITT


This meme could just as easily be flipped on Religious people.... "I don't know... therefore magic man did it... oh, and don't touch your penis".
Neither are helpful to the initial question and only serve to limit our capacity to understand it.
01-19-2018, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Flognutz⏩
400 years ago you would get killed if you didnt support flat Earth theorybro we don't have a clue.
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
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01-19-2018, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
The fact that you even use the term "science" people as if anyone religious doesn't also believe in science is quite idiotic. Try to make your trolls believable or at least contain some form of intellect."Science" people trying to make sense of the universe:


01-19-2018, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Flognutz⏩
And 120 years ago people were also saying we would never fly or go to space and people were foolish for thinking we could because simple humans couldnt possibly defy nature and create a flying machine....we cant possibly “know” everything and the more we learn the more questions are created, but we can make some very interesting observations about the universe and its orgins with current technology. To dismiss all such evidence with “mortal humans cant possibly know any of this” is the easy and lazy way to dismiss a theory without doing any actual research on the topic yourself and thank god great minds dont have that attitude or we wouldn't know or have half the technology we do today.bro we don't have a clue.
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
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01-19-2018, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted By BowlingWizard⏩
must not believe in god either...we dont know how "his" existence came to be. He just came out of no where, much like the big bangI believe this too.
Still have yet to hear responses from people about how the "Big Bang" just happened out of nowhere.
Still have yet to hear responses from people about how the "Big Bang" just happened out of nowhere.
your logic is not sound
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01-19-2018, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
not sure if potato or autisticwell thats kinda difference, faith
also lol if you think science will ever say evolution or big bang theory are wrong even if they found for a fact that they were wrong
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also lol if you think science will ever say evolution or big bang theory are wrong even if they found for a fact that they were wrong
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ITT if you can't explain a very complex scientific theory in one paragraph with cliffs it means it's not true
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01-19-2018, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Flognutz⏩
It's not ridiculous, and if you would think about it for a little while, you'd see why. Think about your mitochondria and chloroplasts, hair and fingernails, spinal cord and brain, skin, intestines, legs, eyes, I mean literally phucking everything. You can see how it came from something else. You can see what we have in common. If you watch an embryo develop, you can actually catch a glimpse of what genes are turned on and off instead compared to other animals. And you can watch it develop from common structures to other animals, but then diverge in their pattern. It's amazing how it is all controlled by small changes in the concentration of proteins. Science progresses, but we aren't completely wrong. And you are citing technology changes as changes in the science, but the underlying scientific theories (at least the ones pertaining to evolution) haven't radically changed since the floppy disk.bro we don't have a clue.
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
120 years ago we didn't even have cars, 20 years ago a 2mb hard drive was bigger than my entire computer........now all of a sudden we can can talk about the origins of the universe?
we wont know for several generations how we even came to be (evolution theory is flawed too, yes animals evolve to adapt to their environment.......humans evolving from a single cell protozoa? ridiculous)
01-20-2018, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Im just saying there is a creator of some sorts.It's not ridiculous, and if you would think about it for a little while, you'd see why. Think about your mitochondria and chloroplasts, hair and fingernails, spinal cord and brain, skin, intestines, legs, eyes, I mean literally phucking everything. You can see how it came from something else. You can see what we have in common. If you watch an embryo develop, you can actually catch a glimpse of what genes are turned on and off instead compared to other animals. And you can watch it develop from common structures to other animals, but then diverge in their pattern. It's amazing how it is all controlled by small changes in the concentration of proteins. Science progresses, but we aren't completely wrong. And you are citing technology changes as changes in the science, but the underlying scientific theories (at least the ones pertaining to evolution) haven't radically changed since the floppy disk.
Ever heard the RH negative blood type theory for example? its quiet interesting
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It is the head fuc of all head fucs.
It is beyond our realm of understanding.
It is like showing a goldfish the misc on your laptop and expecting it to understand what it is seeing.
It is beyond our realm of understanding.
It is like showing a goldfish the misc on your laptop and expecting it to understand what it is seeing.
01-20-2018, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
best reply so far regardles if you are in religion or big bang crewIt is the head fuc of all head fucs.
It is beyond our realm of understanding.
It is like showing a goldfish the misc on your laptop and expecting it to understand what it is seeing.
It is beyond our realm of understanding.
It is like showing a goldfish the misc on your laptop and expecting it to understand what it is seeing.
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01-20-2018, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Flognutz⏩
That's not a theory. That's pseudoscience.Im just saying there is a creator of some sorts.
Ever heard the RH negative blood type theory for example? its quiet interesting
Ever heard the RH negative blood type theory for example? its quiet interesting
And whether there is a creator or not, it doesn't negate the theory of evolution, nor does it invalidate the ideas about the big bang or grand unification. Also, if there is a conscious being that created this universe, it suggests many new questions about the nature of this being's existence. And it still doesn't offer any explanations about how the fundamental forces were unified or the nature of space and time during the planck epoch.
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Originally Posted By Flognutz⏩
One of the cognitive biases inherent within humans is a predisposition to explain/understand things we don't understand. It causes a lot of cognitive discomfort to not know, so many people attribute many things to a "creator", or "god".Im just saying there is a creator of some sorts.
Ever heard the RH negative blood type theory for example? its quiet interesting
Ever heard the RH negative blood type theory for example? its quiet interesting
What''s the RH negative blood type theory? I did a quick Google, and it looks like there's some speculation about Rh negative people "not being from earth" and sharing a certain set of physical and emotional traits that differ from Rh positive people. I'm interested in how they surveyed these people to come to this conclusion.
There's also things about Rh negative babies and Rh positive mothers, HDF, and RHOGAM, which I think is relatively well understood.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
well creator does negate evolution, since it says god created everything as it isThat's not a theory. That's pseudoscience.
And whether there is a creator or not, it doesn't negate the theory of evolution, nor does it invalidate the ideas about the big bang or grand unification. Also, if there is a conscious being that created this universe, it suggests many new questions about the nature of this being's existence. And it still doesn't offer any explanations about how the fundamental forces were unified or the nature of space and time during the planck epoch.
And whether there is a creator or not, it doesn't negate the theory of evolution, nor does it invalidate the ideas about the big bang or grand unification. Also, if there is a conscious being that created this universe, it suggests many new questions about the nature of this being's existence. And it still doesn't offer any explanations about how the fundamental forces were unified or the nature of space and time during the planck epoch.
in any case i dont think there will be any kind of certain answer of how we came to be any time soon
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01-20-2018, 12:27 AM
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01-20-2018, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
So how old is the earth then? Do you think God just put everything there as it is to phuck with us? Why do chloroplasts suspiciously seem so similar to cyanobacteria? What about the dinosaur bones? What about all the fossils of various lifeforms that were here long ago? What about radioactive carbon dating? Is it all just to phuck with us?well creator does negate evolution, since it says god created everything as it is
in any case i dont think there will be any kind of certain answer of how we came to be any time soon
in any case i dont think there will be any kind of certain answer of how we came to be any time soon
Isn't it more reasonable that there are some laws of physics that have been followed by the universe? Isn't it more reasonable that the universe might actually be some 13.8 billion years old?
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Originally Posted By JewSeeJohn⏩
literally nothing you said is true in this post, and its said God created men in his own imageNo it doesn't. The story of genesis is basically told the way it's told in order for people 5000 years ago to make sense of the world.
The 1st commandment is that god has no image. That right there basically explains everything.
You can't explain that to people 5000 years ago, nor can you explain evolution. I mean, you can't explain it to a lot of people in 2018.
Because you believe G-D exists and is behind everything, you also believe that he is behind all the scientific break through in history and more is being revealed as people evolve further and are ready to have such knowledge.
The 1st commandment is that god has no image. That right there basically explains everything.
You can't explain that to people 5000 years ago, nor can you explain evolution. I mean, you can't explain it to a lot of people in 2018.
Because you believe G-D exists and is behind everything, you also believe that he is behind all the scientific break through in history and more is being revealed as people evolve further and are ready to have such knowledge.
and God does not take credit for most actions, core of christianity is free will, not pre determined future
And @wincel im not debating you amigo, im telling you Bible stuff, also according to how old patriarchs were and the whole bloodline we have, and knowing when Jesus was born Christianity says earth is like 6-8k years old
Again im not saying i believe in 100% of this im just answering your questions, but you seem very interested so why dont you read it yourself
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Originally Posted By AVIK777⏩
ThisGod made everything , the Big Bang is a hoax no proof it exists
He was making pancakes one day and dropped one and that became the earth
01-20-2018, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
Sigh. I mean, it's not logically invalid. It's entirely possible that the earth is 8000 years old, and that everything was placed there just to phuck with us. It's possible that all our physical theories are wrong. It's just more plausible that the book was written by men in a time when physics was not as developed. So, they had an incorrect, but seemingly plausible explanation at the time for the creation of the earth and the emergence of life. I have read it myself. My evaluation is that it is not a valid model of how human life emerged on this planet. Its cosmology is also inconsistent with modern cosmology. Anyway, my whole point was that it doesn't answer or elucidate anything about the nature of the early universe. Saying "God did it." Isn't an explanation of how it happened. It is still of interest to try to understand the early universe, and it requires a whole hell of a lot more knowledge (specifically of math and physics) to formulate the theories required to understand that than you will find in the bible.literally nothing you said is true in this post, and its said God created men in his own image
and God does not take credit for most actions, core of christianity is free will, not pre determined future
And @wincel im not debating you amigo, im telling you Bible stuff, also according to how old patriarchs were and the whole bloodline we have, and knowing when Jesus was born Christianity says earth is like 6-8k years old
Again im not saying i believe in 100% of this im just answering your questions, but you seem very interested so why dont you read it yourself
and God does not take credit for most actions, core of christianity is free will, not pre determined future
And @wincel im not debating you amigo, im telling you Bible stuff, also according to how old patriarchs were and the whole bloodline we have, and knowing when Jesus was born Christianity says earth is like 6-8k years old
Again im not saying i believe in 100% of this im just answering your questions, but you seem very interested so why dont you read it yourself
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