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post 1559133581 08-18-2018, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
Every year they dig up more stuff that shows how accurate the bible has been, it's crazy. I can't think of any other books that has stood the test of time.
I've heard Muslims says the same about Koran, and Hindus about Vedas/upanishads.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
Every year they dig up more stuff that shows how accurate the bible has been, it's crazy. I can't think of any other books that has stood the test of time.
Errm, not really. Taking one of countless examples....the Hebrew captivity and subsequent exodus from Egypt is probably one ofthemost prominent historical stories of the OT. If you've been paying attention to archaeological developments whatsoever, you'd realize almost no historians/archaeologists take this story seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
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post 1559134131 08-18-2018, 09:52 PM
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Lmao. Afghanistan is a bunch of manlets
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Originally Posted By Viribus7⏩
I get paid by taxpayer's like you to harass and intimidate people, that really must rustle your jimmies.
It kind of does. Especially when you should be there to serve and protect. It's scary that you would even joke about that (if you really are LEO).
Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
Wait so we all believe in ancient giants now? Sorry can't keep up with all the latest memes
There is certainly evidence of large humanoids in the past (giganthropithicus), which grew to 10' tall and 1200lbs. What is interesting is that they did walk the earth for thousands of years with modern man. There have been very few remains found with the first being found less than a 100 years ago. It is generally believed that they went extinct 50-100 thousand years ago, it is certainly possibly that isolated populations could have continued to evolve and exist until much more recent times. 5'000 - 10'000 years ago.

I am highly doubtful of any existing population of giant primates.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Errm, not really. Taking one of countless examples....the Hebrew captivity and subsequent exodus from Egypt is probably one ofthemost prominent historical stories of the OT. If you've been paying attention to archaeological developments whatsoever, you'd realize almost no historians/archaeologists take this story seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
walls of Jericho?
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Errm, not really. Taking one of countless examples....the Hebrew captivity and subsequent exodus from Egypt is probably one ofthemost prominent historical stories of the OT. If you've been paying attention to archaeological developments whatsoever, you'd realize almost no historians/archaeologists take this story seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
If you've been paying attention, you'd realize how disputed this is.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
walls of Jericho?
Is this in reference to the events surrounding the Battle of Jericho, described in the book of Joshua......that almost all scholars agree holds little to no historical value? lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jericho

The dates surrounding these "Walls of Jericho" are in utter disagreement with the timeline of the book of Joshua, and associated supposed conquest of Canaan.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
If you've been paying attention, you'd realize how disputed this is.
Sorry, but simply saying something doesnt make it true. Please read up on the evidence (or lack thereof).
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Originally Posted By Big_Pete1000⏩
Lmao. Afghanistan is a bunch of manlets
...that the world's super power can't handle lool
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
name a more reliable Histroy book than the bible.
Literally any modern history book. lol

Do you realize how many times the bible has been revised and rewritten? How we can't even decipher the original scripts because it's written in a dead language and we have to fill in gaps? Or how the council of Nicea heavily edited/changed what went into the bible to fit their needs?
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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Originally Posted By Hornlesscow⏩
...that the world's super power can't handle lool
Pretty sure we handled what they had pretty easily. I suppose you're referring to trying to control 100% of their population on a day to day basis, and thinking that somehow reflects poorly on military might.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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Originally Posted By acrawlingchaos⏩
It kind of does. Especially when you should be there to serve and protect. It's scary that you would even joke about that (if you really are LEO).

There is certainly evidence of large humanoids in the past (giganthropithicus), which grew to 10' tall and 1200lbs. What is interesting is that they did walk the earth for thousands of years with modern man. There have been very few remains found with the first being found less than a 100 years ago. It is generally believed that they went extinct 50-100 thousand years ago, it is certainly possibly that isolated populations could have continued to evolve and exist until much more recent times. 5'000 - 10'000 years ago.

I am highly doubtful of any existing population of giant primates.
I can joke about whatever I damn please. I know what my job is. The problem is people like you think you know what the job is when in reality, you don't know shyt.
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Originally Posted By Drhunglow⏩
This guy while trying to tell us how educated he is instead shows us he doesn't know what "typo" and "sarcasm" mean.
Hey pal. Go fist yourself. I hope you do know what fist yourself means. You should remember, from your childhood.
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
So you admit you harass and intimidate people whilst hiding behind your piggy persona..... im sure your superiors would find that information interesting lol.

For the record im not an Americant so i pay zero towards your taxes lol. And i dont need to defend myself from your elementary insults, im comfortable with my sexuallity, unlike you and your weight issue.

How bad were you bullied at school for you to want to be a pig cop?
Lmao! Good question.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Sorry, but simply saying something doesnt make it true. Please read up on the evidence (or lack thereof).
burden of proof is on you bro. The broad community within academia to my understanding, would not agree with you.

Outside of that, just think about this:

Concepts, customs and titles written in ancient documents, can easily walk into the land of idioms, that if you think about, are figurative qualities only better understood during the time of. I mean, if you talked to some englishman 300 years ago and say his idea sounds 'out in left field' he'd probably turn to his left and look for a field.

Compile this with our imperfect narrative in archaeology (oh it's far less the narrative teachers sell) and you have potential for quite a dogmatic view of history - with little room to digest exceptions that may in fact turn things upside down. AND... anyone who established any theories based on the false narrative, is gonna eat some crow. I dont think Man in general is that happy to be so humble, and rather hide the truth to protect their posterity. Consider Graham Hancock and the battles he's had with some of academia. Yea. Now consider the bias from the lands of middle eastern caliphates.

The real ambivalence I have from supposed Middle east authorities (consider Hawaas from Egypt) is that they have a super amount of bias/influence/politics around Jewish history. I reckon much of the middle east is this way. SO much so, I recall a documentary where some archaeologists only were able to make it to a site by making up some non religious reason visiting a tomb (may have been the documentary put on by James Cameron).

Much of history hinges upon someone else perceived dates and the honesty of the surrounding peoples. If one thing is off in the chain, it creates problems for a lot of things.
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
Literally any modern history book. lol

Do you realize how many times the bible has been revised and rewritten? How we can't even decipher the original scripts because it's written in a dead language and we have to fill in gaps? Or how the council of Nicea heavily edited/changed what went into the bible to fit their needs?
Do you realize that the earlier manuscripts validate the english bible? That if there's anything off, it might be units of measurement or kingships?

pretty darn amazing.

Oh and are you saying history books dont have typos or perpetuate false ideas. Because they do. I'd imagine a google search could probably show you that.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
burden of proof is on you bro. The broad community within academia to my understanding, would not agree with you.
Your understanding is unfortunately not in agreement with most scholars on the issue: there is indeed a consensus.....that there is little to no evidence supporting the Hebrew captivity and exodus from Egypt, and in fact a good amount of evidence that it didnt happen as described in the Bible. I mean you could simply just check afewof the sources listed in that Wikipedia article. It is pretty clear about the historicity. (I notice you are offering zero evidence for said Exodus, and no, the burden of proof should be placed on theperson making the claim that the Hebrew exodus happened as described). This is just one (of countless) examples of inaccurate events described in the Bible of course (Blackjack above coincidentally brought up another- the events surrounding the Battle of Jericho).

Also, this is basically elementary archaeology, to anyone who is actively involved in the field. The fact that you are claiming how "disputed" something like the Hebrew exodus is, tells me all I need to know. (= not familiar whatsoever with the field).
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
Every year they dig up more stuff that shows how accurate the bible has been, it's crazy. I can't think of any other books that has stood the test of time.


they mixed real historical events with fictitious events so that the fictitious events seemed more believable.
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Originally Posted By SportCoat⏩


they mixed real historical events with fictitious events so that the fictitious events seemed more believable.
What other ancient historical documents do we use outside of the bible.

go ahead.
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Originally Posted By Viribus7⏩
I can joke about whatever I damn please.
Never said you couldn't. Just said it was frightening to hear LEO joke about harassing citizens.
I know what my job is. The problem is people like you think you know what the job is when in reality, you don't know shyt.
If it isn't to protect and serve... then you're right, I have no clue what your job is.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
What other ancient historical documents do we use outside of the bible.

go ahead.
Too many to list. The establishment of historical writing as a genre didnt really gain traction until like 5th century BC with Herodotus in his "The Histories". Along with Thucydides and other Greek authors, there is a pretty good picture of Greek history contained in their works. There are also many, many Roman historians including Tacitus, Sallust, and even people like Julius Caesar himself, who produced many invaluable works describing historical eventsin actual, historical prose(not say, vague allegorical form).

But why constrain ourselves to mere ancient documents for accurate history?
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Originally Posted By acrawlingchaos⏩
Never said you couldn't. Just said it was frightening to hear LEO joke about harassing citizens.

If it isn't to protect and serve... then you're right, I have no clue what your job is.
Why is it "frightening". It is pure sarcasm meant to rustle the jimmies of the snowflakes on here who already have a grudge against Law Enforcement.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Your understanding is unfortunately not in agreement with most scholars on the issue: there is indeed a consensus.....that there is little to no evidence supporting the Hebrew captivity and exodus from Egypt, and in fact a good amount of evidence that it didnt happen as described in the Bible. I mean you could simply just check afewof the sources listed in that Wikipedia article. It is pretty clear about the historicity. (I notice you are offering zero evidence for said Exodus, and no, the burden of proof should be placed on theperson making the claim that the Hebrew exodus happened as described). This is just one (of countless) examples of inaccurate events described in the Bible of course (Blackjack above coincidentally brought up another- the events surrounding the Battle of Jericho).

Also, this is basically elementary archaeology, to anyone who is actively involved in the field. The fact that you are claiming how "disputed" something like the Hebrew exodus is, tells me all I need to know. (= not familiar whatsoever with the field).
First:

The issue isn't just the matter of one exception being the 'AHA, the whole thing is garbage' but the broader view of the bible. Is it a historical document? Yes it is. Can it be trusted. Not about 'trust' in that context - all historical documents are a matter of reference. Does it always match up with other records. No maybe not. Not the point. Can it be viewed as historically accurate? Sometimes? Is it as accurate as a textbook. lol. sometimes textbooks are biased, so you can't say that.

and lol @ wikipedia. That's a place to start. to get an idea where you should go to.

As far as their being a consensus on the more particular case of the captivity of the israelites:

There may be a majority of archaeologists that say that. I dont know. But as to the nature of the politics from the middle east, and the influence it has over archaeology, i'd be mighty skeptical of some of these assurances. Such reservation is deserved and not outlandish.

The way you think a majority is always correct - which you're kind of alluding to, is amazing. Your mixing the 'see bible is wrong here' with 'most of academia doesn't regard the bible at all because xyz didn't happen in the new kingdom'.

And your deviating/twisting from the idea that the bible isn't looked upon as a standard for historical reference for various periods... because there's ooogles of historical documents just floating around as THE authority?
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Originally Posted By LovePollution⏩
Doesn't the bible also claim that Noah made an ark and got two of each animal on there?
This.. and that people lived for 300 years.. A blind guy got cured by a touch of jesus... He resurrected someone and walked on water.. frogs rained down from the sky etc.

its supposed to teach moral and not represent history
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
First:

The issue isn't just the matter of one exception being the 'AHA, the whole thing is garbage' but the broader view of the bible. Is it a historical document? Yes it is. Can it be trusted. Not about 'trust' in that context - all historical documents are a matter of reference. Does it always match up with other records. No maybe not. Not the point. Can it be viewed as historically accurate? Sometimes? Is it as accurate as a textbook. lol. sometimes textbooks are biased, so you can't say that.

and lol @ wikipedia. That's a place to start. to get an idea where you should go to.

As far as their being a consensus on the more particular case of the captivity of the israelites:

There may be a majority of archaeologists that say that. I dont know. But as to the nature of the politics from the middle east, and the influence it has over archaeology, i'd be mighty skeptical of some of these assurances. Such reservation is deserved and not outlandish.

The way you think a majority is always correct - which you're kind of alluding to, is amazing. Your mixing the 'see bible is wrong here' with 'most of academia doesn't regard the bible at all because xyz didn't happen in the new kingdom'.

And your deviating/twisting from the idea that the bible isn't looked upon as a standard for historical reference for various periods... because there's ooogles of historical documents just floating around as THE authority?
Sigh...complete misunderstanding of what historical scholarship is here. No, you dont go by consensus for truth...you go by evidence or lack thereof, and make judgments- if applicable- accordingly. And (surprise,surprise), the consensus among scholars just happens to align with the evidence we currently have regarding past events. Also to say..."all archaeology must be meaningless because......politics" is laughable, sorry.

I have to emphasize yet again....the (very questionable) historicity of the Exodus is justoneexample of countless historical inaccuracies to be found in the OT. No, the OT is not a very reliable collection of historical documents.
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Originally Posted By acrawlingchaos⏩
There is certainly evidence of large humanoids in the past (giganthropithicus), which grew to 10' tall and 1200lbs. What is interesting is that they did walk the earth for thousands of years with modern man. There have been very few remains found with the first being found less than a 100 years ago. It is generally believed that they went extinct 50-100 thousand years ago, it is certainly possibly that isolated populations could have continued to evolve and exist until much more recent times. 5'000 - 10'000 years ago.

I am highly doubtful of any existing population of giant primates.
Source? (legit source)

You're talking about remains of giants and it being easily known. SOURCE?
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Originally Posted By Amleben⏩
This.. and that people lived for 300 years.. A blind guy got cured by a touch of jesus... He resurrected someone and walked on water.. frogs rained down from the sky etc.

its supposed to teach moral and not represent history
you know, the amusing bit about this is the logical incoherence your view leads to. That is, that if the bible is purely about the material aspect of humanity (just the cause and effect), and there be nothing supernatural (other than a perceived sense of it), then everything is subsequently bereft of any ultimate meaning, and thus the aforementioned logic that the bible is true, is ultimately nothing other than a weak/non argument against temporal satisfaction. That's a scary position to hold - for you and others around you - if you consider the logical conclusion.

This is where the matter of special revelation is needed, as the explanation of natural laws isn't enough to really convince man of really anything ultimately worth doing. Nature may show us the repercussions of actions, but that's it. And nothing is off limits really - other than the repercussions.

If there is a divine being, it has to reveal certain qualities we may recognize as truly supreme - such as all knowing, all powerful etc. Also matters of justice and relationship. These are things philosophized to understand that if a divine being exists, it has to have consistency with these things. This understanding still isn't enough, as the relational aspect requires communication of some kind, and that's where the written word comes in to play. THe bible operates as a medium to understand these self evident qualities of a God that cares enough to perform things for humanity. But at the same time, he's not subject to our expectations. This special revelation he gives us, the Bible, is quite verifiable in many levels - history and philosophy. So its satisfying more so than just a cult like ' believe this because ' view.

Special revelation is way more coherent than the incoherent horror that materialism brings.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Sigh...complete misunderstanding of what historical scholarship is here. No, you dont go by consensus for truth...you go by evidence or lack thereof, and make judgments- if applicable- accordingly. And (surprise,surprise), the consensus among scholars just happens to align with the evidence we currently have regarding past events. Also to say..."all archaeology must be meaningless because......politics" is laughable, sorry.

I have to emphasize yet again....the (very questionable) historicity of the Exodus is justoneexample of countless historical inaccuracies to be found in the OT. No, the OT is not a very reliable collection of historical documents.
History isn't composed of things that we can test like the sciences. Even with the sciences, there are a lot of 'indicators' / theory. This is particularly the case when it comes history. claims in history of way bigger tolerances - or should, the further we go back.

The fact of the matter is, the bible is a recording of places and people. There are places/kingdoms that exist we can confirm that exist in/out the bible (egypt for example). As to details of where/who these people were exactly, that's where the narrative tries to come in.

I'm not trying to debunk all of academia, only pointing out the issues around archaeology and middle eastern politics.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Errm, not really. Taking one of countless examples....the Hebrew captivity and subsequent exodus from Egypt is probably one ofthemost prominent historical stories of the OT. If you've been paying attention to archaeological developments whatsoever, you'd realize almost no historians/archaeologists take this story seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
Didn't an Historian "recently" show that the exodus of a large group of people from egypt did occur? That the entire problem was that historians thought the pharaoh of the bible was X when indeed was Y ??
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
you know, the amusing bit about this is the logical incoherence your view leads to. That is, that if the bible is purely about the material aspect of humanity (just the cause and effect), and there be nothing supernatural (other than a perceived sense of it), then everything is subsequently bereft of any ultimate meaning, and thus the aforementioned logic that the bible is true, is ultimately nothing other than a weak/non argument against temporal satisfaction. That's a scary position to hold - for you and others around you - if you consider the logical conclusion.

This is where the matter of special revelation is needed, as the explanation of natural laws isn't enough to really convince man of really anything ultimately worth doing. Nature may show us the repercussions of actions, but that's it. And nothing is off limits really - other than the repercussions.

If there is a divine being, it has to reveal certain qualities we may recognize as truly supreme - such as all knowing, all powerful etc. Also matters of justice and relationship. These are things philosophized to understand that if a divine being exists, it has to have consistency with these things. This understanding still isn't enough, as the relational aspect requires communication of some kind, and that's where the written word comes in to play. THe bible operates as a medium to understand these self evident qualities of a God that cares enough to perform things for humanity. But at the same time, he's not subject to our expectations. This special revelation he gives us, the Bible, is quite verifiable in many levels - history and philosophy. So its satisfying more so than just a cult like ' believe this because ' view.

Special revelation is way more coherent than the incoherent horror that materialism brings.
Based on posts like this, there is no point in continuing this discussion much further. There is no objectivity here.

If someone is actually interested in historical or scientific fact, they dont begin from the premise "such and such document is true because it is revelation" and proceed from there. They dont argue "Bible is true, thus event X happened" (dogma). Instead, they examine the available evidence. And if you follow up on that Wikipedia article listed above, you will see much of the current state of evidence that (doesnt) exist for the exodus. I mean in terms of historical accuracy.....there are (many) passages in the Bible that literally contradict each other, down to particular items like numbers (one book gives X for a census, another book gives Y, etc). They cantbothbe right. That's the small stuff though....the bigger stuff like Creation chronology, the Flood, the Exodus, etc are the more obvious issues.

Regarding the point about Egypt.....that the Bible contains references to actual cultures like Egypt, thus it is to be trusted in historical matters....is a terrible argument. Homer's "Iliad" deals with Troy: this doesnt mean all the information contained within about the Trojan War, and the actions of the gods such as Zeus, Ares, Hades, Poseidon, are necessarily accurate. Movies such as the James Bond films or superhero flicks (Spiderman, Batman, X-Men, etc) are set in real cities and cultures such as modern day New York or London....this doesnt mean they are accurate historically. Surely anyone can set a story in a real-life environment, just as the Bible could be set in ancient Egypt. Whatever the case, I can see there is very little objectivism here, so again, there is no point continuing.
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