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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I'm going to have to say seated DB press but I wouldn't back down from a challenge if someone said lateral raises



I'm speaking purely in the context of hypertrophy here. I'm still not a fan of OHP for overall strength development but less so and for different reasons

A vertical pressing motion is just not a great way to stimulate the shoulder. Its automatically going to heavily favor the anterior head of the delt which is already overdeveloped in most people from their other pressing (any kind of chest pressing).

On top of that, OHP is an overly compound movement which requires a lot of supporting muscles in order to focus on a very small muscle group. It makes it very difficult to focus on the targeted muscle.

If I was designing a shoulder program for most people, it would start by burning your shoulders into the ground with isolation exercises through the rear and medial heads. After that, I would do some DB pressing and possible super set the last few sets with more isolation.

I'll make you guys a deal. We'll run an experiment. I'll write a program for delts. Two people log it for 6 weeks on here and we'll see if we can notice a difference through pics and general participant feedback.

All I ask is the the volunteers be experienced trainers and respected miscers.
I've seen you around and realise you're strong AF (225 for 10 or something IIRC) but as a weak twink I'm going to have to disagree.

We have studies showing that OHP stimulates delt hypertrophy just as effectively - if not more so - than seated DB presses, despite the fact you're forced to use a lighter weight. This is because despite the weight being lighter, the delts are still being challenged due to a harder biomechanical position (having to move the weight from a deadstop on the chest while stabilising the weight because you're standing on your feet).

You mention the overemphasis on anterior delts, but if you're doing the exercise correctly (~shoulder width grip, elbows tucked, face through bar, shrugging at the top) you will stimulate the lateral and to a reasonable extent, posterior deltoids. They get activated towards the end of the concentric as the triceps come into play.

While we're mentioning triceps, I might aswell mention the sheer efficiency of the exercise. You're getting core, upper chest, traps, triceps - particularly long head - and lat stimulation to a significant degree. You don't get all of these things with seated DB presses.

We get back to the point of efficiency in the gym; we know natties benefit most from full body ~3-4 times a week (studies done on MPS; not a point of contention anymore). Standing OHP fits nicely into this template due to the sheer number of muscles that are being effectively stimulated. Is it enough for, say, full tricep development? No, but it brings enough to the table that you can finish them off with dips/bench and pull-ups or chin-ups (yes overhead pulls work triceps, particularly the long head), without having to resort to a tricep isolation exercise taking up time in the session that could instead be diverted to more efficient exercises that hit more muscles.

Another example of this is upper chest development. While working delts, triceps etc. you're also training upper chest -IFyou go all the way down and pause on the chest. Half-reppers aren't working their chest; they're shortchanging their development for the sake of bolstering their ego. Anyway, the upper chest involvement in strict OHP means you don't need to add in incline. OHP, Bench or Dips, and Pull-ups or Chin-ups (also work the upper chest) come together in a full-body routine to maximally develop the upper chest. Incline becomes unnecessary at this point, again freeing up time in the gym.

The nature of the exercise also has a radiant effect on core, trap and lat development. All these areas are getting a reasonable degree of stimulation from a strict OHP. The benefits of standing OHP over other shoulder pressing variations are endless. You don't get these benefits from seated presses.

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Can do a 70lb kettlebell single arm standing OHP for less then 10 reps when I'm tuned up, under normal dyel conditions just stick to the 45lb'er for ~13 reps.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Honestly, no misc standards, in a commercial gym, anything over 1 plate.
This. Never see anyone in a commercial gym doing this much. Or if they are it's with a chit range of motion and/or more of a push press.
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It depends on bodyweight. I am impressed with skinny guys pressing 135

But fatties like me bergutting 185 is meh.

I would genuinely be impressed with anything 225+, have never seen that in a gym before.
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I perform it very strict, can get about 110 pounds for 4 reps. I weigh 72 kg 5'8''(154 pounds or there abouts) It's honestly so hard to go up because the movement seems like you'd get a bad injury if you get ahead of yourself. I've never seen anyone do it with even 132 pounds(two 20kg plates) tbh. I don't know if I like it as a movement either tbh
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩


First OHP vid I found on my phone.
Calibrated weights, or it didn't happen :P
Originally Posted By Lpenny⏩
https://youtu.be/FFtY9uElEqY

330 srsly? I mean, he even did that 1970s russian lean backwards and become an obtuse angle at the hips and everything thing. That's truly remarkable, very stronk. Okay, so which of us vanity obsessed "lifters" are will to shoot up to 25-30% body fat and really see what an OHP is? Speaking of that, my co-worker isn't impressed by "obese" heavyweight lifters... I get that being lean for anyone who isn't 7ft tall is important for health and competitiveness in a weight classed strength sport, but just like now with Lpenny's response, we should be able to appreciate when a tall, fat lifter comes in and outlifts God and the Russian Federation and not just dismiss it 'coz "eww, he's fat tho".

That being said, I'm only 5'7.5" I don't get the pleasure being being competitive in any weight class besides 165lbs, I'll see to making that the 181, maybe 198 classes a few years from now.
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I can do 100 lb DBs for reps am I strong?
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Originally Posted By SpeculatorSam⏩
Calibrated weights, or it didn't happen :P



330 srsly? I mean, he even did that 1970s russian lean backwards and become an obtuse angle at the hips and everything thing. That's truly remarkable, very stronk. Okay, so which of us vanity obsessed "lifters" are will to shoot up to 25-30% body fat and really see what an OHP is? Speaking of that, my co-worker isn't impressed by "obese" heavyweight lifters... I get that being lean for anyone who isn't 7ft tall is important for health and competitiveness in a weight classed strength sport, but just like now with Lpenny's response, we should be able to appreciate when a tall, fat lifter comes in and outlifts God and the Russian Federation and not just dismiss it 'coz "eww, he's fat tho".

That being said, I'm only 5'7.5" I don't get the pleasure being being competitive in any weight class besides 165lbs, I'll see to making that the 181, maybe 198 classes a few years from now.
When you are the size of a woman or middle school kid none of your lifts are going to impress anyone unless you maybe do that crazy arch thing and load up 400+ lbs and bench it for 2 inches. Then some people will be impressed.
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
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I prefer to listen to people that do it NA have the results than those that read and talk about doing it...
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I’m one of those dudes that looks like he lifts, can fill out a t shirt nicely at 175-180 and only ohp for 95lbs for 10 reps. I’ve done 115 for 3 reps or so, but damn. If you can do 135 more than once you’re strong af in my book. Ohp is tough to get your weight up, I’m 6’2” with long limbs so I’ll use that excuse all day lol. Can’t squat for chit either, but osgood schlatter crew
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
I’m one of those dudes that looks like he lifts,can fill out a t shirt nicely at 175-180 and only ohp for 95lbs for 10 reps. I’ve done 115 for 3 reps or so, but damn. If you can do 135 more than once you’re strong af in my book. Ohp is tough to get your weight up, I’m 6’2” with long limbs so I’ll use that excuse all day lol. Can’t squat for chit either, but osgood schlatter crew
Bruh... I'm no "you gotta be 250lbs to look like you lift" nazi but those stats are pushing it...
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Originally Posted By Archangel_Lost⏩
2/3/4/5 plates for ohp/b/sq/d
These are the definitive misc standards, or standards for serious lifters I'd say. For the general public it's 1/2/3/4 plates.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
When you are the size of a woman or middle school kid none of your lifts are going to impress anyone unless you maybe do that crazy arch thing and load up 400+ lbs and bench it for 2 inches. Then some people will be impressed.
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Originally Posted By flexnation⏩
These. Real life standards, if you can strict OHP 135 for a few reps then you're strong as fuk to 99% of people.

Amongst people who actually lift, then 185 is the mark that's impressive assuming you're under 200lbs.

For misc standards, if you don't strict OHP 225lbs then you dont even lift.

Nowadays, there are probably 5-8 miscersMaxthat can strict OHP 225 for a single. Strict meaning you unrack the weight, walk it out, initiate the press with the bar on your clavicle, and lock it out above your head with zero leg drive If you can do that, you're a strong mothafuka
135 strict press is beginner/intermediate level for people who actually focus on improving the press. I see it as equivalent to something like a 200lb bench. I'm mildly impressed when I see anybody lifting over 2 plates strict really, but that's only because not many people actually try and lift heavy. 1.5x bodyweight is where it gets truly impressive to me.

For what it's worth, my best is about 240lb at 170 body weight. I don't really press heavy any more, as I've been focusing more on bench. Could probably still hit 225 for a single though if I tried.
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I walked into the gym after like 5 months off losing 40lbs and could still OHP 135 5x5. Honestly you need to train harder if you think that’s impressive. 185 is when it starts getting impressive but you should be aiming for 225 if you’re a serious lifter
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Of course it does depend on bodyweight. I would say a bodyweight OHP is very good, even for one rep. That is basically pressing yourself over your head.

I got to 2 plates/225lbs for a triple, however I was around 250lbs at the time.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
I don't OHP either (it's never been a focus that stays in a routine) and I don't remember a time I couldn't hit 225 easily.



Make a list. Only miscers with some proof of a 225 OHP can make the list, no cobhc's. Bet it's 20+
This, 265 you could probably say, but 225 really isn’t THAT impressive. Give me a couple months training to get settled back in and hopefully I can join this crew.
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clean strict rep of 225 and i'd get a semi but das it mane
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
I prefer to listen to people that do it NA have the results than those that read and talk about doing it...
Got called huge the other day. It was probably an exaggeration, but it just goes to show how much misc has skewed our minds on what is a developed, muscular body.

I'm not as big as some other people on here because I don't eat enough to get big. I don't care about being massive though, just medium size and in shape. We all have our own goals.

I train 3 times a week for 90-120 minutes and work in cardio. Infact I'm trying to cut down on the time lifting as I realise it's probably too much. I'm not massive, but I'm not lazy in the weightroom either. My 3 plate dips for reps will attest to that.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
I’m one of those dudes that looks like he lifts, can fill out a t shirt nicely at 175-180 and only ohp for 95lbs for 10 reps. I’ve done 115 for 3 reps or so, but damn. If you can do 135 more than once you’re strong af in my book. Ohp is tough to get your weight up, I’m 6’2” with long limbs so I’ll use that excuse all day lol. Can’t squat for chit either, but osgood schlatter crew
No way man, i don't consider myself that strong by any means and i can comfortably OHP 200lbs (Although i do OHP as part of my routine). For people who lift seriously, i think a 225 OHP is a good goal for OHP, it's hard to deny you're strong at this point.

Also, i'm 6'3 and have a 6'7 wingspan, so no long limb excuses brah

With regards to PiscesNinja, just because he's a self confessed twink and we know Arn is a beast doesn't mean we should immediately dismiss what he says. Science doesn't care how big you are, and i'd encourage people to do their own research and try things out on themselves before just blindly taking any advice. Genetics, work ethic, and tech can all help you to grow on a routine that isn't always optimal (not saying arn isn't training optimally - i have no idea, point being just because someone is big and strong doesn't automatically make their advice better than someone who isn't as big and strong as them)
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230lb strict press / 300lb max overhead on a 10" log back in the day. Started training again so let's see where this will lead
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
We have studies showing that OHP stimulates delt hypertrophy just as effectively - if not more so - than seated DB presses, despite the fact you're forced to use a lighter weight. This is because despite the weight being lighter, the delts are still being challenged due to a harder biomechanical position (having to move the weight from a deadstop on the chest while stabilising the weight because you're standing on your feet).

You mention the overemphasis on anterior delts, but if you're doing the exercise correctly (~shoulder width grip, elbows tucked, face through bar, shrugging at the top) you will stimulate the lateral and to a reasonable extent, posterior deltoids. They get activated towards the end of the concentric as the triceps come into play.

While we're mentioning triceps, I might aswell mention the sheer efficiency of the exercise. You're getting core, upper chest, traps, triceps - particularly long head - and lat stimulation to a significant degree. You don't get all of these things with seated DB presses.

We get back to the point of efficiency in the gym; we know natties benefit most from full body ~3-4 times a week (studies done on MPS; not a point of contention anymore). Standing OHP fits nicely into this template due to the sheer number of muscles that are being effectively stimulated. Is it enough for, say, full tricep development? No, but it brings enough to the table that you can finish them off with dips/bench and pull-ups or chin-ups (yes overhead pulls work triceps, particularly the long head), without having to resort to a tricep isolation exercise taking up time in the session that could instead be diverted to more efficient exercises that hit more muscles.

Another example of this is upper chest development. While working delts, triceps etc. you're also training upper chest -IFyou go all the way down and pause on the chest. Half-reppers aren't working their chest; they're shortchanging their development for the sake of bolstering their ego. Anyway, the upper chest involvement in strict OHP means you don't need to add in incline. OHP, Bench or Dips, and Pull-ups or Chin-ups (also work the upper chest) come together in a full-body routine to maximally develop the upper chest. Incline becomes unnecessary at this point, again freeing up time in the gym.

The nature of the exercise also has a radiant effect on core, trap and lat development. All these areas are getting a reasonable degree of stimulation from a strict OHP. The benefits of standing OHP over other shoulder pressing variations are endless. You don't get these benefits from seated presses.

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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
I prefer to listen to people that do it NA have the results than those that read and talk about doing it...
Without being too much of a dick, this sums up my thoughts as well
Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
With regards to PiscesNinja, just because he's a self confessed twink and we know Arn is a beast doesn't mean we should immediately dismiss what he says. Science doesn't care how big you are, and i'd encourage people to do their own research and try things out on themselves before just blindly taking any advice. Genetics, work ethic, and tech can all help you to grow on a routine that isn't always optimal (not saying arn isn't training optimally - i have no idea, point being just because someone is big and strong doesn't automatically make their advice better than someone who isn't as big and strong as them)
Equally as valid a point

One final point worth considering is your overall program. Out of all of the compound core movements, I would say OHP is the least effective at targeting the intended area. That's my main reason for dropping it. Too many of these high "efficiency" exercises with high relative loading are going to build a lot of systematic fatigue

To put it a simpler way, its probably worth dropping OHP if its going to allow you to recover better so you can squat more.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
One final point worth considering is your overall program. Out of all of the compound core movements, I would say OHP is the least effective at targeting the intended area.
I don't know that I agree with that. When I was doing heavy OHP on a regular basis, my delts felt like they were blowing up. Since I prioritized bench and switched to isolation work like raises for shoulder work, they haven't grown a bit.
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Originally Posted By maori-rap⏩
Of course it does depend on bodyweight. I would say a bodyweight OHP is very good, even for one rep. That is basically pressing yourself over your head.

I got to 2 plates/225lbs for a triple, however I was around 250lbs at the time.
tfw i pressed bodyweight OHP last night pretty easy for a 1rm but i weigh as much as a stick
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I don't know that I agree with that. When I was doing heavy OHP on a regular basis, my delts felt like they were blowing up. Since I prioritized bench and switched to isolation work like raises for shoulder work, they haven't grown a bit.
i don't feel my delts growing from ohp, rarely train it as is

wood rather do a ****load of lateral raises every day
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Sorry for the late reply. Assumed this thread was dead and a few days later there are new replies that I didn't see before
Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Without being too much of a dick, this sums up my thoughts as well



Equally as valid a point

One final point worth considering is your overall program. Out of all of the compound core movements, I would say OHP is the least effective at targeting the intended area. That's my main reason for dropping it. Too many of these high "efficiency" exercises with high relative loading are going to build a lot of systematic fatigue

To put it a simpler way, its probably worth dropping OHP if its going to allow you to recover better so you can squat more.
Personally, I squat before OHP. However, I don't know if you mean systematic fatigue in the context of a single training session or recovery throughout the week. I personally don't note any recovery issues with OHP versus seated DB presses, bar lower back fatigue if I do too much OHP, squatting, deadlifting and rowing. But I've never thought "these squats are difficult, maybe I have to scale back the OHP so my lower back can take it." Simply never had that problem.

In terms of results speaking for themselves, note that I am only a self confessed twink in the context of a bodybuilding forum. In real life, I'm around 6ft, 180-183lbs lean and often get called big, ripped, etc. I'm certainly no mass monster, but I'm pleased with the physique I've built and I'm happy to post a physique pic when I get a chance.

However, in a forum of juiced up 5'11 225 bodybuilders and powerlifters, yes, I'm a self confessed twink. If that means you don't want to take my advice, that's fine. But that's like telling a F1 commentator that he knows nothing about F1 racing because he doesn't race himself.
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
Sorry for the late reply. Assumed this thread was dead and a few days later there are new replies that I didn't see beforePersonally, I squat before OHP. However, I don't know if you mean systematic fatigue in the context of a single training session or recovery throughout the week. I personally don't note any recovery issues with OHP versus seated DB presses, bar lower back fatigue if I do too much OHP, squatting, deadlifting and rowing. But I've never thought "these squats are difficult, maybe I have to scale back the OHP so my lower back can take it." Simply never had that problem.

In terms of results speaking for themselves, note that I am only a self confessed twink in the context of a bodybuilding forum. In real life, I'm around 6ft, 180-183lbs lean and often get called big, ripped, etc. I'm certainly no mass monster, but I'm pleased with the physique I've built and I'm happy to post a physique pic when I get a chance.

However, in a forum of juiced up 5'11 225 bodybuilders and powerlifters, yes, I'm a self confessed twink. If that means you don't want to take my advice, that's fine. But that's like telling a F1 commentator that he knows nothing about F1 racing because he doesn't race himself.
Good to see a well articulated discussion and/or argument, without flaming on either side - well done gentleman.

Delts are my strongest body part by far and have always made OHP my bread and butter with high volume for side laterals and face pulls. Have never done a seated DB press. So i'm definitely bias.

Think i've found, anecdotally, that a lot of people actually arch their back into the pad to push more weight on DB presses - almost turning it into an incline press, and even put the back pad on a slight incline when going heavier which just leads to little posterior or lateral development, which is a problem, like Arn said, overkill for the front delt. Whereas OHP really does seem to be a consistently vertical press, with a slight hip hinge. Push presses build big triceps too.
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