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Idk
I know a dance teacher who never really had a child hood and enjoys teaching kids dance.
I think its just wanting to never grow up.
I know a dance teacher who never really had a child hood and enjoys teaching kids dance.
I think its just wanting to never grow up.
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Originally Posted By jiujitsubro⏩
Does he sleep in bed with other people's kids?Idk
I know a dance teacher who never really had a child hood and enjoys teaching kids dance.
I think its just wanting to never grow up.
I know a dance teacher who never really had a child hood and enjoys teaching kids dance.
I think its just wanting to never grow up.
There's a difference between loving being around kids and being really inappropriate.
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I remember many years or even a decade ago, here in Misc, one guy said he was one of the kids who got to hang out with Michael. Let them fill a grocery cart each with anything they want.
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CLIFFS
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
END. THREAD ////////
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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03-09-2019, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats⏩
I can't stand it and just don't know.I came away with three potential conclusions:
1. Everything these victims say is true, MJ just covered it all up with his fame and money.
2. Bunch of extremely sociopathic/psychopathic pathological liars, extremely good actors whom have invested countless hours compiling an entirely fictional story to make money in the knowledge that the accused can not respond.
3. Somewhere in between. Probably molested but over the years and from influence of others, their memories have gotten more dramatic than actual events. Implanted memories etc, but still MJ did some shady chit and should have been brought to justice.#
It takes a special kind of weird for a grown ass man to invest millions in a theme park for kids, playing with toys and reading poems with kids, dancing with kids on stage, wanting to meet with kids in private, sending creepy happy birthday video messages to kids. And boys, not fat ugly boys, or girls. Never heard about him smashing groupies, never heard about him even dating anyone really. I dunno mang, maybe we will never know.
1. Everything these victims say is true, MJ just covered it all up with his fame and money.
2. Bunch of extremely sociopathic/psychopathic pathological liars, extremely good actors whom have invested countless hours compiling an entirely fictional story to make money in the knowledge that the accused can not respond.
3. Somewhere in between. Probably molested but over the years and from influence of others, their memories have gotten more dramatic than actual events. Implanted memories etc, but still MJ did some shady chit and should have been brought to justice.#
It takes a special kind of weird for a grown ass man to invest millions in a theme park for kids, playing with toys and reading poems with kids, dancing with kids on stage, wanting to meet with kids in private, sending creepy happy birthday video messages to kids. And boys, not fat ugly boys, or girls. Never heard about him smashing groupies, never heard about him even dating anyone really. I dunno mang, maybe we will never know.
I really liked his music and dancing while always having been a huge rock and electronic fan. I thought he was awesome due to being a huge crossover artist. He rocked, had great lyrics, unlike a lot of black music which I hate, and his music was like rock, RB, electronic, and just amazing. His videos were great.
But, I know a lot about psych and could see that he had many problems. I think he hated black people and wanted to be white.
Specifically, he wanted to be Peter Pan. His place was called Neverland, from Peter Pan, and his face was transformed into an elf, like Pans face in the cartoon.
In Peter Pan the movie, he was part of a tribe of boys that never grew up.
In interviews, the one with the Indian guy, he stated that he was exposed as a child via his dad and brothers, to a lot of sexual stuff. He found it gross and basically had a ruined childhood. So, he said that he wanted to snuggle, play, and enjoy life and wanted kids to have fun.
So, according to him, he's Peter Pan, not a sexual predator, and wants to have a tribe of kids.
In my real life, I worked in Philly and knew a lot of ghetto people who were coworkers. A friend of mine was tired of all of that and joined a "snuggle club" to have intimate contact with people that wasn't sexual, so I got what Jackson was saying. As a side note, my buddy met his wife at the snuggle club.
To make a long story short, I still don't believe he was a sex pervert.
I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't believe it 100%.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
I didn't know that about the FBI.CLIFFS
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
END. THREAD ////////
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
I don't believe he was exactly sane. I don't believe that he saw himself as an average human that did things like a human being.Does he sleep in bed with other people's kids?
There's a difference between loving being around kids and being really inappropriate.
There's a difference between loving being around kids and being really inappropriate.
He had a fringe personality that I don't believe most anyone is like.
My mom used to say able couples, "There's a lid for every pot" meaning every man and woman has a match somewhere. However, I don't believe Jackson's pot had a lid. Thus, he would make decisions in a vastly different way that most.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
"END. THREAD"CLIFFS
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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Nah, I don't think so. Nobody here wants to put cuffs on MJ's bones. But we are discussing something that is significant when it comes to his legacy and how people will interpret him. Just because you have a bias view of him as a fan doesn't mean he gets away with being a creepy mofo at the least.
Do you deny anything I posted regarding him being a creep when it comes to:
- Sleeping with other people's kids.
- One of the kids who was suspected to be molested could accurately depict his genitalia in a drawing.
- Fingerprints found on adult magazines.
- Inappropriate statues in full view of kids he had stay with him in his room.
Again, take out the equation where he did something that equates him going to prison when he was alive. Was he or wasn't he acting inappropriately around other people's kids? If the answer is yes, then it isn't farfetched to say that the dude got his rocks off by using his status and money to put himself in those kind of situations. A guy who masturbates to the children's section of a Sears catalog isn't doing anything illegal, but he is a fukking sick creep. The only thing that is preventing the defenders of MJ by saying the same thing about him is because he made amazing music.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I agree, I don't think there was anything normal about the way MJ grew up or lived his life. But where is the line drawn where we justifiably call out MJ for being what he was - a creep. Let's say he never did anything illegal with the kids. At the minimum, I am willing to bet the dude got off behaving around kids the way he did.I don't believe he was exactly sane. I don't believe that he saw himself as an average human that did things like a human being.
He had a fringe personality that I don't believe most anyone is like.
My mom used to say able couples, "There's a lid for every pot" meaning every man and woman has a match somewhere. However, I don't believe Jackson's pot had a lid. Thus, he would make decisions in a vastly different way that most.
He had a fringe personality that I don't believe most anyone is like.
My mom used to say able couples, "There's a lid for every pot" meaning every man and woman has a match somewhere. However, I don't believe Jackson's pot had a lid. Thus, he would make decisions in a vastly different way that most.
There is no reason an adult should sleep in bed with other people's kids. Also, why was there even a situation where a kid knew how his penis looked like? Please, I'd like to know how that happens. And, if you invite kids over to sleep in your room, it isn't proper behavior to hang out looking at adult magazines or be exposed to adult-oriented statues. The guy was a creep. I liked his music, but you have to call a Spade a Spade.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
For some of his defenders - for the right amount of money. Some of these people are sick fuks.For all you guys that don’t think he molested any kids, would you let your son sleep in a bed with Michael Jackson?
03-09-2019, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
Great cliffs, repped.CLIFFS
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
END. THREAD ////////
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
END. THREAD ////////
I also think people need to dissect the other aspect of it. He had been wanting to get out of the entertainment business for a long time. Some entity wanted to keep him there. Not sure who or why, but they didn't want him out.
Then he announces a worldwide "This is It" tour, which would be the end of his contribution to entertainment. While one tour, his dumbazz doctor mysteriously over-prescribes him very strong meds that ended up killing him.
Isn't that fishy to no-one but me? It's very convenient to now have made more money dead than alive. And they're still milking it with this documentary. Why now? What benefit can it bring? Who is behind it?
I'm not sure, not do I want to spend a lot of time thinking about it. But it's very odd.
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03-09-2019, 07:12 PM
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Love how the people saying he didn't do it conveniently ignore this smoking gun.13 year old who accused Michael could identify marks on his pingas only visible when lifted
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Originally Posted By CementPizza⏩
Nothing has been dealt with. The only hard evidence you have is that MJ was found innocent in 2005. Other than that you've got a terrible daily mail article. Judging from your looks and you're posting, you're a ped0 and you need to prove to me otherwise.Absolutely I deny he was still mentally a child. I dealt with this exact issue earlier in this thread. As I asked, PLEASE read the entire thread before you comment.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
I completely agree with you.I agree, I don't think there was anything normal about the way MJ grew up or lived his life. But where is the line drawn where we justifiably call out MJ for being what he was - a creep. Let's say he never did anything illegal with the kids. At the minimum, I am willing to bet the dude got off behaving around kids the way he did.
There is no reason an adult should sleep in bed with other people's kids. Also, why was there even a situation where a kid knew how his penis looked like? Please, I'd like to know how that happens. And, if you invite kids over to sleep in your room, it isn't proper behavior to hang out looking at adult magazines or be exposed to adult-oriented statues. The guy was a creep. I liked his music, but you have to call a Spade a Spade.
There is no reason an adult should sleep in bed with other people's kids. Also, why was there even a situation where a kid knew how his penis looked like? Please, I'd like to know how that happens. And, if you invite kids over to sleep in your room, it isn't proper behavior to hang out looking at adult magazines or be exposed to adult-oriented statues. The guy was a creep. I liked his music, but you have to call a Spade a Spade.
However, I'm not sure he was a "creep" so much as a kind of insane person.
Personal Example: In my own life I have had several babies that died.
One was aborted by a girl I dated for eight years. Another women I married kept having miscarriages. Meanwhile, I've worked in psych my whole life and in very bad years of town. So, I have met countless people who have kids they don't care about. Meanwhile, I value children and family to an extremely high degree. I would love to be someone's dad.
I'm not insane and see myself as an adult male who behaves like one. I don't want to be a kid, I'd like to be a family man, unlike Jackson who wanted to be Peter Pan.
My point is that I understand the extreme desire to take care of kids and want to make life great, with a total absence of weirdness. If I had the money would I make a deluxe orphanage or something and be a role model for the kids, I think I would.
I see Jackson as trying to do something like that but being too insane to see how others would view his objectives.
Overall, it would probably be great if we could all snuggle people up and enjoy life, but it's not viewed as a good idea but most people, and so you can't do it even if you're the best guy in the world.
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
Guy who was known to abuse drug medication dies due to abusing drug medication.Great cliffs, repped.
I also think people need to dissect the other aspect of it. He had been wanting to get out of the entertainment business for a long time. Some entity wanted to keep him there. Not sure who or why, but they didn't want him out.
Then he announces a worldwide "This is It" tour, which would be the end of his contribution to entertainment. While one tour, his dumbazz doctor mysteriously over-prescribes him very strong meds that ended up killing him.
Isn't that fishy to no-one but me? It's very convenient to now have made more money dead than alive. And they're still milking it with this documentary. Why now? What benefit can it bring? Who is behind it?
I'm not sure, not do I want to spend a lot of time thinking about it. But it's very odd.
I also think people need to dissect the other aspect of it. He had been wanting to get out of the entertainment business for a long time. Some entity wanted to keep him there. Not sure who or why, but they didn't want him out.
Then he announces a worldwide "This is It" tour, which would be the end of his contribution to entertainment. While one tour, his dumbazz doctor mysteriously over-prescribes him very strong meds that ended up killing him.
Isn't that fishy to no-one but me? It's very convenient to now have made more money dead than alive. And they're still milking it with this documentary. Why now? What benefit can it bring? Who is behind it?
I'm not sure, not do I want to spend a lot of time thinking about it. But it's very odd.
What a conspiracy!
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Repped for an honest and sincere post.I completely agree with you.
However, I'm not sure he was a "creep" so much as a kind of insane person.
Personal Example: In my own life I have had several babies that died.
One was aborted by a girl I dated for eight years. Another women I married kept having miscarriages. Meanwhile, I've worked in psych my whole life and in very bad years of town. So, I have met countless people who have kids they don't care about. Meanwhile, I value children and family to an extremely high degree. I would love to be someone's dad.
I'm not insane and see myself as an adult male who behaves like one. I don't want to be a kid, I'd like to be a family man, unlike Jackson who wanted to be Peter Pan.
My point is that I understand the extreme desire to take care of kids and want to make life great, with a total absence of weirdness. If I had the money would I make a deluxe orphanage or something and be a role model for the kids, I think I would.
I see Jackson as trying to do something like that but being too insane to see how others would view his objectives.
Overall, it would probably be great if we could all snuggle people up and enjoy life, but it's not viewed as a good idea but most people, and so you can't do it even if you're the best guy in the world.
However, I'm not sure he was a "creep" so much as a kind of insane person.
Personal Example: In my own life I have had several babies that died.
One was aborted by a girl I dated for eight years. Another women I married kept having miscarriages. Meanwhile, I've worked in psych my whole life and in very bad years of town. So, I have met countless people who have kids they don't care about. Meanwhile, I value children and family to an extremely high degree. I would love to be someone's dad.
I'm not insane and see myself as an adult male who behaves like one. I don't want to be a kid, I'd like to be a family man, unlike Jackson who wanted to be Peter Pan.
My point is that I understand the extreme desire to take care of kids and want to make life great, with a total absence of weirdness. If I had the money would I make a deluxe orphanage or something and be a role model for the kids, I think I would.
I see Jackson as trying to do something like that but being too insane to see how others would view his objectives.
Overall, it would probably be great if we could all snuggle people up and enjoy life, but it's not viewed as a good idea but most people, and so you can't do it even if you're the best guy in the world.
But when it comes to the topic, like I said, the only thing that prevented MJ's reputation from being torched to the ground when he was alive was that because a lot of people coped with it by saying "Oh, he was just really different because of the way he grew up."
Okay, fair. But when there is a pattern of inappropriate behavior, then it becomes more than just that. A lot of people who are creeps around kids grew up very differently as well and suffered some kind of trauma. But we don't give them the same benefit of the doubt or excuse like a lot of people do with MJ. It's okay to say his music was amazing. But it's also okay to admit that the due was a fukking creep that nobody who is sane would allow to be around their kids.
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Too much smoke for there not to be atleast a small fire.
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
Exactly. You would think that a guy who got so much damaging pr from hanging around kids would, you know, stop hanging around other people's kids or at least stop acting like a creep. But he couldn't help himself. Why is that? Because he needed it.Too much smoke for there not to be atleast a small fire.
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
It's freaking hilarious how there are people Bird Boxing themselves to this day about MJ just because Billy Jean was an absolute masterpiece. Haha. The guy was a creep. It's very easy to prevent a kid knowing how the underside of your penis looks like. If you fail at that, then you deserve to be called a fukking ****.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
You're right.Repped for an honest and sincere post.
But when it comes to the topic, like I said, the only thing that prevented MJ's reputation from being torched to the ground when he was alive was that because a lot of people coped with it by saying "Oh, he was just really different because of the way he grew up."
Okay, fair. But when there is a pattern of inappropriate behavior, then it becomes more than just that. A lot of people who are creeps around kids grew up very differently as well and suffered some kind of trauma. But we don't give them the same benefit of the doubt or excuse like a lot of people do with MJ. It's okay to say his music was amazing. But it's also okay to admit that the due was a fukking creep that nobody who is sane would allow to be around their kids.
But when it comes to the topic, like I said, the only thing that prevented MJ's reputation from being torched to the ground when he was alive was that because a lot of people coped with it by saying "Oh, he was just really different because of the way he grew up."
Okay, fair. But when there is a pattern of inappropriate behavior, then it becomes more than just that. A lot of people who are creeps around kids grew up very differently as well and suffered some kind of trauma. But we don't give them the same benefit of the doubt or excuse like a lot of people do with MJ. It's okay to say his music was amazing. But it's also okay to admit that the due was a fukking creep that nobody who is sane would allow to be around their kids.
I used to work with sex offenders and their behavior is so close to a genuinely nice person, in some cases, that a genuinely nice person must restrain themselves and do what's most socially appropriate to avoid trouble. The agenda of a nice person can get them in trouble if they don't do this because it's too hard for average people to tell the difference so they will jump to negative conclusions to reduce harm.
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Does an uncircumsised erect penis look circumsised?yeah but its completely wrong
he even said he was circumcised which was also wrong
he even said he was circumcised which was also wrong
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
I mentioned it, but you may not have seen it. There was a multi-night TV interview with him by this Indian guy.Too much smoke for there not to be atleast a small fire.
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
Not to mention, he did NOTHING to help his own case. Jesus, where was his freaking PR time.(over the course of the years he had been accused, obviously not right now, because he is deceased)
Jackson went into detail about his life. He even said stuff that was out of the box for most people, like he believed in snuggling as a healthy non-sexual activity to show love. He didn't say PC stuff everyone wanted to hear.
I couldn't watch the whole interview because it was making me cringe. That's because I understood the guy and it was making me sad.
It didn't seem like lies to me.
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ill do this piece by piece. You say Im biased because I'm a fan but I am using complete factual evidence. My opinion is sprinkled in and reinforced by factual evidence. you're biased because you think he is creepy and you WANT him to be guilty. thats the difference.
MJ was such an easy target. But..listen to how he describes sharing rooms with kids. listen to how he talks about kids. Not a single bit of it sounded creepy or weird.
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Leaving Neverland wasn't about him being a "creepy mofo"..it was about him being a child molester."END. THREAD"
Nah, I don't think so. Nobody here wants to put cuffs on MJ's bones. But we are discussing something that is significant when it comes to his legacy and how people will interpret him. Just because you have a bias view of him as a fan doesn't mean he gets away with being a creepy mofo at the least.
Nah, I don't think so. Nobody here wants to put cuffs on MJ's bones. But we are discussing something that is significant when it comes to his legacy and how people will interpret him. Just because you have a bias view of him as a fan doesn't mean he gets away with being a creepy mofo at the least.
Do you deny anything I posted regarding him being a creep when it comes to:
- Sleeping with other people's kids.
creepy. but not a child molester.- Sleeping with other people's kids.
- One of the kids who was suspected to be molested could accurately depict his genitalia in a drawing.
that "kid" name is Jordan. and this was proven not to be true. So much so that his lawyer requested the photo evidence of Michael Jacksons stip search comparison to the drawing be banned from use in a court. Imagine that. Requesting MJ to strip search and be photographed to compare to your clients drawing/description. Then after comparing them, requesting the evidence not be banned from use in court. Weird huh?- Fingerprints found on adult magazines.
I 100% hate to use credentials here so excuse the cringeyness of this..but I have a Criminal Law degree and work in Law enforcement. any competent defense attorney would absolutely destroy this and I'm shocked that this was even used in trial. Heres why: Fingerprints together mean nothing.. My fingerprints are on my toilet. So are my friends and my girlfriends. It does not mean we all used the toilet at the same exact time. throw this out.- Inappropriate statues in full view of kids he had stay with him in his room.
not totally sure what you mean with this.Again, take out the equation where he did something that equates him going to prison when he was alive. Was he or wasn't he acting inappropriately around other people's kids? If the answer is yes, then it isn't farfetched to say that the dude got his rocks off by using his status and money to put himself in those kind of situations. A guy who masturbates to the children's section of a Sears catalog isn't doing anything illegal, but he is a fukking sick creep. The only thing that is preventing the defenders of MJ by saying the same thing about him is because he made amazing music.
When you factor in that he was completely devoid of a childhood and violently abused by his father, his actions seem "understandable"...from the REAL WORLD perspective, yes...he was definitely over the top with kids. 100%. I think your issue is - you WANT him to be guilty. you think he is weird so you are willing to cosign the allegations. There is a massive massive gap between creep and predator. He played a father figure and positive role model for kids and would NEVER sleep in a bed alone with a child.MJ was such an easy target. But..listen to how he describes sharing rooms with kids. listen to how he talks about kids. Not a single bit of it sounded creepy or weird.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
I thought it was clear from the beginning of my post that I was taking out the child molester equation of the subject. You're defending a dude who had a pattern of behavior where you can minimize it to where he was at least a creep. Minimum. Again, even if he couldn't go to prison for his behavior, there is still no justification for the dude acting like he did. If he was some guy named Gary who lived down the street with his mother, he'd be burned at the stake. But because it's Michael, the amount of mental gymnastics some people have done to avoid even calling him a creep is amazing.ill do this piece by piece. You say Im biased because I'm a fan but I am using complete factual evidence. My opinion is sprinkled in and reinforced by factual evidence. you're biased because you think he is creepy and you WANT him to be guilty. thats the difference.
Leaving Neverland wasn't about him being a "creepy mofo"..it was about him being a child molester.
creepy. but not a child molester.
that "kid" name is Jordan. and this was proven not to be true. So much so that his lawyer requested the photo evidence of Michael Jacksons stip search comparison to the drawing be banned from use in a court. Imagine that. Requesting MJ to strip search and be photographed to compare to your clients drawing/description. Then after comparing them, requesting the evidence not be banned from use in court. Weird huh?
I 100% hate to use credentials here so excuse the cringeyness of this..but I have a Criminal Law degree and work in Law enforcement. any competent defense attorney would absolutely destroy this and I'm shocked that this was even used in trial. Heres why: Fingerprints together mean nothing.. My fingerprints are on my toilet. So are my friends and my girlfriends. It does not mean we all used the toilet at the same exact time. throw this out.
not totally sure what you mean with this.
When you factor in that he was completely devoid of a childhood and violently abused by his father, his actions seem "understandable"...from the REAL WORLD perspective, yes...he was definitely over the top with kids. 100%. I think your issue is - you WANT him to be guilty. you think he is weird so you are willing to cosign the allegations. There is a massive massive gap between creep and predator. He played a father figure and positive role model for kids and would NEVER sleep in a bed alone with a child.
"Of course its okay to share your bed with children. If you're going to be a predator or murderer then its not okay. But I'm not.I never slept in the bed with the child..even if I did, its okay. I slept on the floor" - Michael Jackson
"I gave him the bed. I slept in a sleeping bag on the floor." - Michael Jackson
MJ was such an easy target. But..listen to how he describes sharing rooms with kids. listen to how he talks about kids. Not a single bit of it sounded creepy or weird.
Leaving Neverland wasn't about him being a "creepy mofo"..it was about him being a child molester.
creepy. but not a child molester.
that "kid" name is Jordan. and this was proven not to be true. So much so that his lawyer requested the photo evidence of Michael Jacksons stip search comparison to the drawing be banned from use in a court. Imagine that. Requesting MJ to strip search and be photographed to compare to your clients drawing/description. Then after comparing them, requesting the evidence not be banned from use in court. Weird huh?
I 100% hate to use credentials here so excuse the cringeyness of this..but I have a Criminal Law degree and work in Law enforcement. any competent defense attorney would absolutely destroy this and I'm shocked that this was even used in trial. Heres why: Fingerprints together mean nothing.. My fingerprints are on my toilet. So are my friends and my girlfriends. It does not mean we all used the toilet at the same exact time. throw this out.
not totally sure what you mean with this.
When you factor in that he was completely devoid of a childhood and violently abused by his father, his actions seem "understandable"...from the REAL WORLD perspective, yes...he was definitely over the top with kids. 100%. I think your issue is - you WANT him to be guilty. you think he is weird so you are willing to cosign the allegations. There is a massive massive gap between creep and predator. He played a father figure and positive role model for kids and would NEVER sleep in a bed alone with a child.
"Of course its okay to share your bed with children. If you're going to be a predator or murderer then its not okay. But I'm not.I never slept in the bed with the child..even if I did, its okay. I slept on the floor" - Michael Jackson
"I gave him the bed. I slept in a sleeping bag on the floor." - Michael Jackson
MJ was such an easy target. But..listen to how he describes sharing rooms with kids. listen to how he talks about kids. Not a single bit of it sounded creepy or weird.
Also, I have no dog in the fight. I'm just puzzled at how some people are willing to excuse him because it would be too devastating to admit their idol is a creepy bastard.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I get that and it is fine if he believes its innocent sleeping with a kid, the fact is, the guy had tons of money and could have easily avoided a LOT of this by getting advice from people who are there to protect your image. His life was under a microscope, you would atleast think he would have taken a few precautions as to not draw more allegations.I mentioned it, but you may not have seen it. There was a multi-night TV interview with him by this Indian guy.
Jackson went into detail about his life. He even said stuff that was out of the box for most people, like he believed in snuggling as a healthy non-sexual activity to show love. He didn't say PC stuff everyone wanted to hear.
I couldn't watch the whole interview because it was making me cringe. That's because I understood the guy and it was making me sad.
It didn't seem like lies to me.
Jackson went into detail about his life. He even said stuff that was out of the box for most people, like he believed in snuggling as a healthy non-sexual activity to show love. He didn't say PC stuff everyone wanted to hear.
I couldn't watch the whole interview because it was making me cringe. That's because I understood the guy and it was making me sad.
It didn't seem like lies to me.
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Originally Posted By ASTRAPE⏩
Guys wtf apparently he was guilty
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Kid 13 year old who accused Michael could identify marks on his pingas only visible when lifted
Settled out of court for 22 million???
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Kid 13 year old who accused Michael could identify marks on his pingas only visible when lifted
Settled out of court for 22 million???
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smoking gun lol. this is the problem with the misc and the internet in general. People read a small itty bitty piece of a headline and run with it.Love how the people saying he didn't do it conveniently ignore this smoking gun.
1 - That kid wanted no part of that case
2 - The Chandler family father extorted Michael Jackson and said that if he didn't pay them $350,000 - he would go forward saying he molested his son. They refused (and even tried to file an extortion charge).
3 - In California, they can indict for sexual abuse based solely on hearsay..CA spent $2.5 million investigating Michael Jackson and interviewed 200+ witnesses. The story from the Chandler family was SO FUKKED UP that they refused to even attempt to press charges against MJ bc they knew no-one would stick it (no pun intended). Imagine THAT. In a state where Hearsay is permitted, the story was so off that they didn't even entertain it.
"but..godyssey! why would he settle then!!!"
MJ was so sick at the time he essentially "Power of Attorney" his defense and finance to his family (finance) and legal team (defense). Against his wishes, his family decided to settle out via trust fund so that MJ could solely focus on his career and health and not worry about this BS anymore. Shortly after, Jordan came out and said his father manipulated him, abused him, and then his dad killed himself...putting your guys' bias aside - this SCREAMS bullchit and you know it...
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edit - if you're wondering why I am so well versed into his case and so anti-Leaving Neverland; its because I did an entire paper and discourse on this for my law class and had to redo the trial against my professor, who was a former judge, acting as the prosecutor.
edit x2 - Markilerings...STOP posting stupid articles without your own knowledge dude lol. I legit debunked some of those "undeniable" facts already. There is also a ton of unconfirmed facts in there. Vanity Fair doesn't know more than the FBI. neither do you.
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03-09-2019, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By ASTRAPE⏩
the "penis markins" was fake. That evidence was removed when it went to court.... because it didn't match.Guys wtf apparently he was guilty
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Kid 13 year old who accused Michael could identify marks on his pingas only visible when lifted
Settled out of court for 22 million???
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Kid 13 year old who accused Michael could identify marks on his pingas only visible when lifted
Settled out of court for 22 million???
His insurance company settled because the civil suit was launched at the begining of his World Tour.
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