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Thread: If you are on the sidewalk and a cop says "Come here, I need to talk to you."

post 1576019361 03-17-2019, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted By RoxyFoxy22⏩
I go and I talk politely to them, if you are not breaking the law, the police is actually helpful, so I don't understand the rage some people have against them. Brb losing lives and having a chitty job to protect the citizens while they always ask questions like ''why do I have to legitimate myself? why do I have to do x and y if I'm not charged?'' . It would be more efficient if you cooperate for 5 mins, but nah, people hate thinking.
Because unlike the 3rd world chithole you live in we don't have to show our papers to the police.

Too many have fought and died for our freedoms to just let some cop harass me. They are not above the law and deserve no more respect than any other person walking down the street.

I will be polite to them until it is time to be impolite to them.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Because unlike the 3rd world chithole you live in we don't have to show our papers to the police.

Too many have fought and died for our freedoms to just let some cop harass me. They are not above the law and deserve no more respect than any other person walking down the street.

I will be polite to them until it is time to be impolite to them.
I live in a better country than USA where the police is actually helping people and the criminality rate is even lower than your testosterone levels after reaching andropause. Very, very low, that's why we don't have prisons.
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Originally Posted By RoxyFoxy22⏩
I go and I talk politely to them, if you are not breaking the law, the police is actually helpful, so I don't understand the rage some people have against them. Brb losing lives and having a chitty job to protect the citizens while they always ask questions like ''why do I have to legitimate myself? why do I have to do x and y if I'm not charged?'' . It would be more efficient if you cooperate for 5 mins, but nah, people hate thinking.
Shut up stupid
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Because unlike the 3rd world chithole you live in we don't have to show our papers to the police.

They are not above the law and deserve no more respect than any other person walking down the street.
You have this idealized perception of the US, but it isn't reality. You absolutely DO have to show your papers when walking down the street or driving and law enfocement IS above the law. We have seen this proven time and time again in this country.
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Originally Posted By friesbruh⏩
The problem with OPs scenario is that it purports police-civilian interactions are "this" cut-and-dry when in fact very few of them are. Wether he or she has grounds to detain you depends solely on their reason for doing so. If I believe I need to conduct a Terry Stop on you, then you have to obey commands and if you flee then you most certainly can be detained or charged. Whether the charge sticks will depend on testimony in Court and if officer testifies that crime was, is or could be afoot. The stop in OPs scenario is a Terry Stop based on RS or reasonable suspicious. Before Terry v. Ohio, officers had no constitutional grounds to detain someone based on suspicion alone. However, after Terry was found "casing" or "scouting" a bank with two others while CC's a revolver, the Court established that an officer, under articulable and reasonable circumstances, may detain someone if he or she believes crime has occurred or is about to occur.

So, if an officer says "Come here I need to talk to you,"yes, you do have to comply.If you choose to flee, you have now committed a crime. If you say "no," then I'll just cuff you & do the investigation / interrogation anyways.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Because unlike the 3rd world chithole you live in we don't have to show our papers to the police.

Too many have fought and died for our freedoms to just let some cop harass me. They are not above the law and deserve no more respect than any other person walking down the street.

I will be polite to them until it is time to be impolite to them.
I'm confused how a cop saying "hey can I ask you a question?" As referenced in the OP is harrassment? Did we twist this into something extreme where the cop in the OP is doing anything other than that?
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Would you do that to a random guy who asks you a question on the street? Just turn around and ignore and treat the guy like garbage?


Why do you think its okay to do that simply because he's a police officer?


Treat people with respect and kindness.


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Mind is blown at how many people ITT don't know their basic rights in the USA. It's these same people that scoff at the videos on the interwebs of people standing up to unlawful drunk driving and immigration checkpoints. If you don't stand for your rights you will lose them. And if you think government is your friend... well there is plenty of historical evidence and modern day evidence to prove it is not. Disagree? Well then pat yourself on the back for being lucky enough not to get on someones bad side or falling into a chit situation.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Mind is blown at how many people ITT don't know their basic rights in the USA. It's these same people that scoff at the videos on the interwebs of people standing up to unlawful drunk driving and immigration checkpoints. If you don't stand for your rights you will lose them. And if you think government is your friend... well there is plenty of historical evidence and modern day evidence to prove it is not. Disagree? Well then pat yourself on the back for being lucky enough not to get on someones bad side or falling into a chit situation.
Mind blown how many ***gots like you think a cop asking you a question is somehow an infringement on your rights. Fist yourself edgelord.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
If he can't give me a reason I'm not giving him my time.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
You have this idealized perception of the US, but it isn't reality. You absolutely DO have to show your papers when walking down the street or driving and law enfocement IS above the law. We have seen this proven time and time again in this country.
You only have to ID yourself if officially detained under Terry and he better have a goddamm good reason to detain me or I'm going after his ass in court.

Other than my ID I don't have to answer a single phucking question.
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Originally Posted By nikeoneplatinum⏩
Just exercise your 5th amendment right to remain silent. If you get arrested so be it, if you did nothing wrong there's no need to worry.
This is true my lawyer is a federal lawyer and told me this is the best thing to do also:



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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Mind blown how many ***gots like you think a cop asking you a question is somehow an infringement on your rights. Fist yourself edgelord.
Clearly you haven't had a cop ask you trick questions to incriminate yourself or gain reason to tear apart your car... or maybe they just feel like being a jerk to you for whatever reason. But keep letting cops ram dinks in your arse.

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Canadian criminal lawyer but I imagine the laws are the same.

Cop has to have at least reasonable suspicion and that would mean you are being detained.

Ask the cop if you are being detained. If he says no, you are free to leave.

If he says yes, you have the right to a lawyer right away.

If he doesn't answer the question, or does so in a weird way, which makes it seem like you are being detained and you do not know it and do not have access to a lawyer, anything that comes from that search will not be admissible as evidence at prima facie.

E.g. If you ask if you are being detained and he says something like "Well, I need you to talk to me and if you don't it will mean trouble". Technically he didn't say you are detained but created a situation where you pretty much were. If he found drugs and illegal guns, etc on you at the point, it would be inadmissible and the charges would get dropped. In Canada, if the found something from the search that led to the discovery that you murdered somebody, it would probably be admissible because they would balance things like the degree of breaking of your Charter Rights to the seriousness of the crime.

It's heavily dependent on the facts, statute of the state, and previous caselaw.

In summary, the answer is: It depends.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
I'm confused how a cop saying "hey can I ask you a question?" As referenced in the OP is harrassment? Did we twist this into something extreme where the cop in the OP is doing anything other than that?
If I have done nothing wrong and he wants to delay me in any way it's being harrassed.

No different than a bum on the street stopping me to ask for money. I consider that harrassment too.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You only have to ID yourself if officially detained under Terry and he better have a goddamm good reason to detain me or I'm going after his ass in court.

Other than my ID I don't have to answer a single phucking question.
That sounds good on paper. In reality, you are getting smashed and charged with resisting arrest. At the very least.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
That sounds good on paper. In reality, you are getting smashed and charged with resisting arrest. At the very least.
That would be a dream come true. Because I will sue the state and retire. I will also have his job.
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I’d record my will on my phone then talk to him.
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In my experience if you dont stop they will try and get you, then youll be released if you done no wrong


If thats against the law what type of rewards would i get from them for being wronged? (As in they had no right to stop me in the first place)



The way I see it a reason of suspicion can be fullfilled if you run or walk away when they talk to you.




Also fighting police with BS like "you cant do that MUH RIGHTS" just invites them to log that **** in their computers and **** you up the ass with traffic stops everytime they see your license plate on the road.

As in no more warnings for going 1 mph over the limit. Now its just max fines.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
In my experience if you dont stop they will try and get you, then youll be released if you done no wrong


If thats against the law what type of rewards would i get from them for being wronged? (As in they had no right to stop me in the first place)



The way I see it a reason of suspicion can be fullfilled if you run or walk away when they talk to you.




Also fighting police with BS like "you cant do that MUH RIGHTS" just invites them to log that **** in their computers and **** you up the ass with traffic stops everytime they see your license plate on the road.

As in no more warnings for going 1 mph over the limit. Now its just max fines.
You don't have to carry ID if you aren't driving. You only have to give your name if officially detained and you simply ask if you are being detained.

If they say yes then they have to give you a reasonable reason for your detainment. Once they do that they get about 10 to 15minutes to either arrest you or let you go.

You are only required to give them your name.

Driving is a different story. There you have to provide ID as driving is a privilege. But even then they have to provide you with a reason they stopped you.
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Who the fuk are you guise and where do you live that you have such animosity towards law enforcement? You guise sound like grade-a scumbags.

Just say "good evening officer (extending your hand for a firm handshake), what can I help you with?"
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Originally Posted By ChewYourFood⏩
Who the fuk are you guise and where do you live that you have such animosity towards law enforcement? You guise sound like grade-a scumbags.

Just say "good evening officer (extending your hand for a firm handshake), what can I help you with?"
The government has very little need to interact and know anything about me.

That's what this country was founded on.

A cop is there to do his job but his oath is supposed to uphold and not violate the constitution.

The oath I took was to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC!!!!!

That includes cops that violate the constitution.
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Originally Posted By SippyCups⏩
Sorry pal. Those laws are unconstitutional if enforced. No state law overcomes the Fourth Amendment's reasonable suspicion requirement for an investigatory detention.
What really? In New York there is stop and frisk where cops just roll up and shake you down. **** suxs
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No cop would really say that tho...
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Why the need to act like a ******* if he just wants to talk to you? Maybe he wants to know if you saw a little kid that’s gone missing... or if you noticed anything suspicious in the area.

Now if he wants to search you out of the blue then THAT’S a different story.
Everyone on the internet likes to talk like they are a tough-guy.


In real life the only people that are running around "hur dur fukk the police I don't have to talk to them and if they mess with me I'll sue them" are just complete losers without anything to show for their life. 99% of decent people will talk to a cop on the street without any flack.
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Everyone on the internet likes to talk like they are a tough-guy.


In real life the only people that are running around "hur dur fukk the police I don't have to talk to them and if they mess with me I'll sue them" are just complete losers without anything to show for their life. 99% of decent people will talk to a cop on the street without any flack.
It doesn't make you less than decent to not talk to police.

They don't have a right to know who you are. It's none of their phuckin business.
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technically you don't but I would talk to him and answer his questions cause I'm not a douche bag. Be polite and respectful and you won't have any issues.
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Talking to someone is now seen as “submitting”?

Once again... stop acting like a try hard ******* and grow up.
I shouldn't have to talk to anyone if I don't want to....especially if I consider myself free
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if you just say no i'm busy and keep walking no big deal. but if you just ignore them turn around or start running, that is pretty suspicious and you'll probably get detained
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Originally Posted By SippyCups⏩
Lawyer checking in. Serious answer is no. They have to have "reasonable suspicion" to stop you or even ask to see your ID.

But if for whatever reason he does have reasonable suspicion and he orders you to stop, them you'll be committing a crime if you disobey the lawful order.

So what do you do? You stop and ask if you're free to leave. If he says no, then you can lawyer up later and file a lawsuit if you want. Anything else you do might land you in jail.
How would you know if they have reasonable suspicion even if they told you? they can very easily just lie.
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