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post 1578668111 04-23-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’ve found the best way to higher pay actually is to monkey branch to new companies. Either they pay you more or your current company counters to keep you around.

Lol at playing the long game putting in your time then asking for a raise like a begging peasant.
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Some people had a strong work ethic instilled in them as a child. Most people didn't. If you accept a job, you should do your best at it. Don't complain about the work, the pay or the benefits. You took the job. No one is making you stay. If you are not treated right, leave.
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post 1578668351 04-23-2019, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
If u do more work then they are just gonna give u more work while paying u the same.
Without the promotion too...
post 1578668411 04-23-2019, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By solidus2k3⏩
so what's the verdict brahs?
is it worth busting your chops at work? or doing the bare minimum?
what if you have ambitions to rise up the ranks?
how else can you be promoted if you don't show value (which is a bad 'economic' bargain - at least in the short term)?
Give up on the idea of getting promoted internally. Jump ship.
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Give up on the idea of getting promoted internally. Jump ship.
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post 1578668681 04-23-2019, 03:48 PM
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Come review time, it doesn't matter what you've done, what matters is what your boss feels you should have. Period.

You can bust your ass, go above and beyond all year long, one thing happens and that's all they focus on. That is the forefront of the review, not the standout sh** you've done. Nah, fukc that.

I understand why people do the bare minimum. Unless you're kissing ass, you're not going to see the raise you want or that promotion. Politics b, word up.
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Give up on the idea of getting promoted internally. Jump ship.
They push the whole "career path" as a carrot to keep everyone running on the treadmill. The reality is that there's only so many of those high positions in a company. If people stop and think about it logically they'd wake up to the fact that the odds are stacked against them.

I agree that monkey branching will probably be the quickest route to increasing your salary but they take measures to discourage that as well such as increasing your vacation time with years of service. Once you've worked up to 4 or 5 weeks off per year it would be hard to swallow going back to 2 weeks. I guess the the idea is to never stay long enough to even get increased vacation time.
post 1578672001 04-23-2019, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
They push the whole "career path" as a carrot to keep everyone running on the treadmill. The reality is that there's only so many of those high positions in a company. If people stop and think about it logically they'd wake up to the fact that the odds are stacked against them.

I agree that monkey branching will probably be the quickest route to increasing your salary but they take measures to discourage that as well such as increasing your vacation time with years of service. Once you've worked up to 4 or 5 weeks off per year it would be hard to swallow going back to 2 weeks. I guess the the idea is to never stay long enough to even get increased vacation time.
Or you just make sure your new employer matches (or raises) your current vacation time?
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Or you just make sure your new employer matches (or raises) your current vacation time?
This will depend a lot on the company and the nature/level of the position. While most people don't know what their co-workers are being paid they will know how much vacation time you have and this could (and likely will) cause some rustling among the ranks when they see someone coming in as a newbie and already having vacation time that took them years to get to.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Its like nobody wants to work at all and just abuse the system. Brb eating snacks every 2 hours and taking 20 breaks per day. Brb only working 2 hours. Yet they never get in trouble for it.
Just get a job that’s not retail

Dealing with irate customers is clearly getting your low iq ass riled up
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This explains it all.
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Because people have a twisted perspective of work in this country. We are trained from a young age to have a disciplined day-long schedule of chit we don't want to do and we develop a tendency to just want it to be over so we can go do things we actually want to do.

Brb go to school starting at 5 years old to learn chit at a much slower pace than we are capable of.... Do that for 12 years minimum for 5 days per week. Show up on time, sit down and pay attention to mostly mind numbing chit waiting for a bell to ring so that we can go to another room to sit down and listen to some more boring chit taught to us way too slowly. Maybe do 4-7 more years of that for a bachelor's and possibly masters.

Do you think most people go through that and magically see work as any different from school? Most people just continue on in work as they did in school.... Bored, unmotivated, disinterested, and just waiting for the day to end so they can go do things that interest them.
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A lot of people are just lazy and think everything is going to be given to them. They lack any sort of work ethic and are afraid to get their hands dirty.
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because most people live off the government..AND OR live with someone who helps to support them..AND OR..lives with other idiots and together they all just barely get by in life. There was a day in time when IF you were lazy and didnt work you starved to death, and most certainly didnt have luxuries like cellphones,wifi,tvs,videogames,etc.. Everyone stops supporting these f&* leaches they would either learn to work for a living OR die off..
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Originally Posted By solidus2k3⏩
so what's the verdict brahs?
is it worth busting your chops at work? or doing the bare minimum?
what if you have ambitions to rise up the ranks?
how else can you be promoted if you don't show value (which is a bad 'economic' bargain - at least in the short term)?
Bust your chops but be aggressive in salary negotiations and always be on the lookout for other opportunities. Also don’t let them undervalue you.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Because people have a twisted perspective of work in this country. We are trained from a young age to have a disciplined day-long schedule of chit we don't want to do and we develop a tendency to just want it to be over so we can go do things we actually want to do.

Brb go to school starting at 5 years old to learn chit at a much slower pace than we are capable of.... Do that for 12 years minimum for 5 days per week. Show up on time, sit down and pay attention to mostly mind numbing chit waiting for a bell to ring so that we can go to another room to sit down and listen to some more boring chit taught to us way too slowly. Maybe do 4-7 more years of that for a bachelor's and possibly masters.

Do you think most people go through that and magically see work as any different from school? Most people just continue on in work as they did in school.... Bored, unmotivated, disinterested, and just waiting for the day to end so they can go do things that interest them.
Our school system comes from the Prussian military system, designed to train soldiers, and the turn of the century factory system designed to train factory workers.

Why do you think the school bell is the same as the factory bell?
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post 1578674211 04-23-2019, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By mikieson⏩
because most people live off the government..AND OR live with someone who helps to support them..AND OR..lives with other idiots and together they all just barely get by in life. There was a day in time when IF you were lazy and didnt work you starved to death, and most certainly didnt have luxuries like cellphones,wifi,tvs,videogames,etc.. Everyone stops supporting these f&* leaches they would either learn to work for a living OR die off..
They need to just fire people like this. It brings the morale down and pisses people off. There is a difference between kind of lazy like working 6 hours instead of 8 and working like 2 hours and not caring about your job like half the people i see now days.

Nobody is going to complain about someone who works consistently for 6-7 hours. But nobody wants to work with someone who does nothing all day.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
LOL @ trying to tie motivation to pay. You either have it or you don't.
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people need to have pride in what they do or gtfo and do what you want to be doing
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humans have been doing this throughout history. if its not their own business, or if they dont see a direct result in their own life from their hard work, then why should they work harder?
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because bosses won't fire them. getting rid of those ****s is the only way.

and unions are ****ing terrible
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Originally Posted By mikieson⏩
because most people live off the government..AND OR live with someone who helps to support them..AND OR..lives with other idiots and together they all just barely get by in life. There was a day in time when IF you were lazy and didnt work you starved to death, and most certainly didnt have luxuries like cellphones,wifi,tvs,videogames,etc.. Everyone stops supporting these f&* leaches they would either learn to work for a living OR die off..
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
This will depend a lot on the company and the nature/level of the position. While most people don't know what their co-workers are being paid they will know how much vacation time you have and this could (and likely will) cause some rustling among the ranks when they see someone coming in as a newbie and already having vacation time that took them years to get to.
Another thing that is terrible about working for a company (in USA) is lack of vacation time. You need XX years to get XX vacation time; and/or you cannot combine sick and vacation time. People nowadays travel a lot more than previous generations, let us do what we want with vacation/sick leave.
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Originally Posted By JT11RTR⏩
Some people had a strong work ethic instilled in them as a child. Most people didn't. If you accept a job, you should do your best at it. Don't complain about the work, the pay or the benefits. You took the job. No one is making you stay. If you are not treated right, leave.
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Originally Posted By CommonPheasant⏩
Many companies have made it clear that hard work won’t be rewarded with more pay or a better position. In fact, it often gets you more work and responsibilities for the same pay. Why stand out from the herd then?

The last big raise I got was because the company found out I was going to get an outside offer and they matched it, not a reward for my good work.
This. All common sense and logic has disappeared. This world has become all about me, me, me.
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Boy do I see a lot of negative attitudes. Let's see where that takes you in life.
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I work hard half the time, and smart the other half. Gone from 81k to 95k in 3 years idk.

Honestly what motivates me though is I'm passionate about what I do and seeing the outcome of my work satisfies the **** out of me. My boss keeps throwing money at me and has given me more and more freedom to groom my territory how I see fit and work the schedule I want. It's amazing.

Can't imagine being a cube monkey giving 0 fuarks and being a small cog in a nameless faceless corporate machine. No wonder people do the minimum, their efforts aren't appreciated. Soul crushing and meaningless.
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets⏩
Boy do I see a lot of negative attitudes. Let's see where that takes you in life.
Where do you think they got their attitude from? Guarantee 99% of it comes from their own life experience.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Its like nobody wants to work at all and just abuse the system. Brb eating snacks every 2 hours and taking 20 breaks per day. Brb only working 2 hours. Yet they never get in trouble for it.
Don’t worry man they’ll top out at 14$ an hour for the rest of their life
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
Yup. I had a conversation with a coworker about something similar. This girl at my work got promoted twice in 13 months (back to back year end promotion), and it is seen as unfair around the office bc other people worked harder than her. But when I asked my coworkers if they’ve ever expressed to their managers that they’re looking for a promotion and here’s what they’re doing to get there? Answer across the board was no. Managers are 100% more likely to promote you if they think you’ll leave (and you’re a valued performer). Why would people who go above and beyond but staying silent praying someone will notice their work get any promotions? They’re already doing the job for less than the pay.

I also think it’s odd that if you ask around the office no one is willing to say they’re actively seeking to move up, it’s like they’re pre-emptively coping with the lack of a promotion because it’s less embarrassing if you didn’t get it bc you didn’t even try.
This is bull. I've done that twice before and ended up quitting both times. The last place I did this, I got a 25% increase at the new job.

I'm not hating though. Companies (and when we say companies, we really mean the people in positions that can make or break you) can do what they want, and people can take what they take.

But never will I ever trick myself into believing what you just wrote.

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