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post 1596082301 01-21-2020, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Oh, ok, i get it now. So you went from saying "no it cant be done", to "yes it cant be done, just not him!!". Gotcha. At least you admit it is possible, so i know i taught you something today.


just lol what a spineless little man
You are a special kind of retarded. Agreeing it will raise and agreeing someone can double their natural T in a month are not even close to the same. You should have been aborted troll.

Post those pics and get your blood work done.
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340 is a perfectly normal level for a 60 year old male.


There are lots of factors that might be affecting your T level though.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i could swear that lifters ironically have lower test levels than non-lifting soyboys ded srs

have seen a million of these threads, and not all are cutting

i bet lifting itself raises test in the short term but lowers it overall or some chit like that due to the fact that you're in a constant repair state
I think this is true srs
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Well 300-1000 roughly is normal range

What do you want him to say?

If it’s lower than you want take matters into your own hands and self treat.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
How long did it take?
About 6 months.

First my estrogen was too high.
Estrogen was still too high.
Highs and Lows were too drastic.
Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Yeah lol, he is just digging himself deeper.

Whatever happened to “you know what, i was wrong” lol. Takes a man to admit that, for sure.
A little scary that you think you are winning this...

So that study you posted about the standard deviation of test variation. If you dig a little deeper you see that the Lows varied by a similar percentage, BUT because you are comparing lower numbers to higher numbers it is inappropriate to average everything together and use flat test standard deviations.

There is variation, but I would throw money down that there is nothing you can do to get your 400 to 800 naturally. Hell I would be surprised if you could get it above 550.
Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Well 300-1000 roughly is normal range

What do you want him to say?

If it’s lower than you want take matters into your own hands and self treat.
THE NORMAL rage is not age adjusted. When you control for age you see that a 25 year old with a 340 is in the bottom 5% of his age group.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
A little scary that you think you are winning this...

So that study you posted about the standard deviation of test variation. If you dig a little deeper you see that the Lows varied by a similar percentage, BUT because you are comparing lower numbers to higher numbers it is inappropriate to average everything together and use flat test standard deviations.

There is variation, but I would throw money down that there is nothing you can do to get your 400 to 800 naturally. Hell I would be surprised if you could get it above 550.

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Take a young man that has been working out with High intensity every day of the week and eating around 500-700 cal deficit for several months, dropping 10% bf or more (Say 18-8%), test him in the final day of his cut and then test him one month later after eating over maintenance and resting a lot, and ill bet my full sized nuts against your small sized ones that the raise will be closet to 400 ng/dl than the ridiculous 150 you claim.


You think test levels are set in stone and hardly fluctuate, that tells me a lot about your ignorance on the subject. Any average man can fluctuate a hundred or more depending on stress levels, how good or bad did he sleep the night before, what did he had for dinner, did he train hard or not etc.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
A little scary that you think you are winning this...

So that study you posted about the standard deviation of test variation. If you dig a little deeper you see that the Lows varied by a similar percentage, BUT because you are comparing lower numbers to higher numbers it is inappropriate to average everything together and use flat test standard deviations.

There is variation, but I would throw money down that there is nothing you can do to get your 400 to 800 naturally. Hell I would be surprised if you could get it above 550.
I think in part, what he is saying is at least figurative and holds merit. Whether it is exactly double is irrelevant. But if it were to increase by 200-300 that would still be a strong point.

I have been on trt and have come off/on for around 3 years to see if it helps with symptoms. tbh im just conflicted about it as a treatment. Mind you, I'm a male that tested with 165 TT.

I will tell you this, it seems the weeks that i simply do not lift (which is rare) I sleep better and feel better. When people say they lift weights, bear in mind, not everyone is lifting the same way - including you. You may think you are lifting really heavy, and are on the upper end. That could be true, but you need to factor in whether you are conditioned and what you mean by heavy and how much.

Stress will be less if your muscle have been adapting and you've been consistent with your routine. Your program is also sane. This gradual stress is prob way better for hormonal axis. However training with a routine that never changes is a poor way of strength training. Periodizing for example is a means to breakthrough and put stress on your muscles differently. If you're cycling through these phases, fatigue and accumulated injuries will begin to stack up and you are forced to deload and chill. Sometimes, like the guy who lifts 6 days a week, he's building up fatigue and stress in his body more consistently, requiring deloading weeks maybe more regularly - depending on volume/intensity. I would not be surprised if he got test after a week off to see a big shift in his TT. The guy who lifts maybe 3 times a week with 5s may just have enough time to keep recovery manageable, thus acute or progressive issues less pronounced.

I think I can speak from a somewhat experienced platform as I'll be heading into 405 for reps land this satuday on the bench. It's been a journey, and I'm still going - to 500 (God willing).

To be fair, I will say the protocol i was on did not control estrogen very well or at all. That's a super important thing to keep an eye on but the treatement for that means another drug, which might need another drug..... and I simply don't know how far that trail leads. Caution is especially warranted when it comes to trt at least for this reason.
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Google Dr Crisler and estrogen (from recently, post his death NOT HIS RECCOMENDED PROTOCOL) if you end up seeing a clueless endo who recommends AIs at a replacement legit TRT dose.

E2 is NOT your enemy, AIs are very dangerous, if you're lucky your endo will be 20 years behind the times and not even know about AIs, if you're unlucky and get a "good" endo they just be a decade behind and likely reccomend you use AIs. Google intensively before following their expert advice.
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
Google Dr Crisler and estrogen (from recently, post his death NOT HIS RECCOMENDED PROTOCOL) if you end up seeing a clueless endo who recommends AIs at a replacement legit TRT dose.

E2 is NOT your enemy, AIs are very dangerous, if you're lucky your endo will be 20 years behind the times and not even know about AIs, if you're unlucky and get a "good" endo they just be a decade behind and likely reccomend you use AIs. Google intensively before following their expert advice.
Still need to control your estrogen to my knowledge. cant have too little, cant have too much.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
Still need to control your estrogen to my knowledge. cant have too little, cant have too much.
You're not going to have too much on a legit TRT dose.

Crisler killed himself, maybe because of the lawsuits from his AI recommendations and the damage they did to patients.

AIs are MUCH worse than even slightly high E2, especially for heart health. E2 is now considered actually heart protective and the accepted wisdon from the 00s is now considered dangerous
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
You're not going to have too much on a legit TRT dose.
Mine did...

Take an AI twice a week and I am smack dab in normal.

Seems dangerous to give this kind of advice with out their labs in your hand. As I said above it took 6 months to dial me in.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Mine did...

Take an AI twice a week and I am smack dab in normal.

Seems dangerous to give this kind of advice with out their labs in your hand. As I said above it took 6 months to dial me in.
Hopefully that's not 2mg of a*** Big yikes if so.

That's why I said to Google crislers death - and read the current consensus of thinking with the foremost trt docs vs 00s protocols
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
You're not going to have too much on a legit TRT dose.

Crisler killed himself, maybe because of the lawsuits from his AI recommendations and the damage they did to patients.

AIs are MUCH worse than even slightly high E2, especially for heart health. E2 is now considered actually heart protective and the accepted wisdon from the 00s is now considered dangerous
This. Excess adipose tissue, lack of cardiovascular activity, and a chit diet are worse than a "high estrogen." Most docs still use the roeche(sp?) method as opposed to checking sensitive E2. Dont worry about estrogen unless you're part of the percentage of people who legitimately have high conversion and end up with high estrogen symptoms.

Legit Trt dose is key. Most guys who say theyre on a trt dose are actually on a mild cycle.
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Originally Posted By flexnation⏩
This. Excess adipose tissue, lack of cardiovascular activity, and a chit diet are worse than a "high estrogen." Most docs still use the roeche(sp?) method as opposed to checking sensitive E2. Dont worry about estrogen unless you're part of the percentage of people who legitimately have high conversion and end up with high estrogen symptoms.

Legit Trt dose is key. Most guys who say theyre on a trt dose are actually on a mild cycle.
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Originally Posted By flexnation⏩
This. Excess adipose tissue, lack of cardiovascular activity, and a chit diet are worse than a "high estrogen." Most docs still use the roeche(sp?) method as opposed to checking sensitive E2. Dont worry about estrogen unless you're part of the percentage of people who legitimately have high conversion and end up with high estrogen symptoms.

Legit Trt dose is key. Most guys who say theyre on a trt dose are actually on a mild cycle.
Kind of hard to talk around the BBing.com rules.

Most "aging clinics" don't ever put people beyond the 800-1000 zone.

While that is like peak teenage zone I am not sure I would categorize that as a mild cycle.

EDIT: also shout out to BOZZ for letting this TRT thread go for a bit. We are all getting older and if anything I think that the TRT helps prevent people from turning to illegal substances.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Kind of hard to talk around the BBing.com rules.

Most "aging clinics" don't ever put people beyond the 800-1000 zone.

While that is like peak teenage zone I am not sure I would categorize that as a mild cycle.

EDIT: also shout out to BOZZ for letting this TRT thread go for a bit. We are all getting older and if anything I think that the TRT helps prevent people from turning to illegal substances.
i think i floated into 1200-1500 land for a time - with an anti aging doc lol

honestly i dont really remember it feeling/being supraphysiological.

Recovery/performance improved more when i simply ate more carbs. Really i cannot stress carbs (+ butter) enough for people wanting to gain strength. Way over protein.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
i think i floated into 1200-1500 land for a time - with an anti aging doc lol

honestly i dont really remember it feeling/being supraphysiological.

Recovery/performance improved more when i simply ate more carbs. Really i cannot stress carbs (+ butter) enough for people wanting to gain strength. Way over protein.
Why don't you know your real numbers? Seems like a big red flag.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Why don't you know your real numbers? Seems like a big red flag.
That was awhile ago. Might have it saved on MyQuest I suppose. As far as it being a big red flag, meh, prob. I ended up moving it to my GP who was fine with writing the prescription.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Why don't you know your real numbers? Seems like a big red flag.
Yep found the record:

1423 TT
Estradiol 75

at least that's one of the elevated ones.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
Yep found the record:

1423 TT
Estradiol 75

at least that's one of the elevated ones.
Yikes... Would not go to that clinic.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Kind of hard to talk around the BBing.com rules.

Most "aging clinics" don't ever put people beyond the 800-1000 zone.

While that is like peak teenage zone I am not sure I would categorize that as a mild cycle.

EDIT: also shout out to BOZZ for letting this TRT thread go for a bit. We are all getting older and if anything I think that the TRT helps prevent people from turning to illegal substances.
As you said, tough for me to specify given the rules here, but there have been some guys that ive spoken to that have said theyre on a prescription dose and when I asked them how much they were taking a week, it was considerably more than a legit script dose lol.

Cosigned on the shoutout to BOZZ.
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Originally Posted By flexnation⏩
As you said, tough for me to specify given the rules here, but there have been some guys that ive spoken to that have said theyre on a prescription dose and when I asked them how much they were taking a week, it was considerably more than a legit script dose lol.

Cosigned on the shoutout to BOZZ.
It is a hard choice. I wasted A LOT of money and had to spend the last chunk of my 20s with 200-270 test levels.

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