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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

Good job, bro!

I know it's tricky but everybody should spread the word about these conferences.
People need to wake up.
A lot of people are not sleeping but they are not vocal because they don't know that there are groups of people out there fighting for the right cause and normality.

Thanks! It's true, the left doesn't want conflict with the trans/queer lobby (still not sure what LGB has to do with any of that) and the right erroneously believes that this is only happening in San Francisco or whatever.

Originally Posted By katya422⏩

I also believe that it is mostly about girls feeling out of place and anxious and some very stupid adults encouraging it. I suspect that whatever fraction of this behavior isn't being fed by social media is being fed by ignorant therapists treating developing mainly atypical children like adults.
Same.

Of course I would respect the requested name/pronoun of someone I meet if they ask to the best of my ability.

Men in women's prisons? Um, no. Men in women's sports? Also no.
These stories scare me and also I think they need to be more widely shared TBH.
My daughter became friends with a girl in middle school who meets this description (seem to be on the spectrum, wants to be addressed with a male name) and I have heard her openly speak about how bad it is to be female and that is why she wants to be male. According to the mom the girl's father is abusive (most likely malignant NPD from description) and seems openly misogynistic. The girl has brothers and wants to be "one of the boys".

I don't approve of the friendship and thought that it was reduced/paused. Now it seems to be back on and maybe includes another girl(s). I strongly wanted my daughter to go to a different school this year, but I've been thwarted. I would really like to get her involved with a different social group.

I thought about you - several attendees asked a few times about the link between autism and trans kids. Most answered honestly that they were not experts in such research, but Sasha Ayed mentioned that she has done some work in this space. Here's her website:https://inspiredteentherapy.com/

Originally Posted By GravityLee⏩

This is my take on it too.  I don’t have the answers.  I do know lets not make fun of these people or make life harder for them.  Theyre already dealing with a lot.

That said im not sure transitioning is the answer.  The surgery does not lead to a good realistic outcome.  Based on what I know which again im no expert id rather society treat them with respect so they dont feel its necessary to take that last step.

I think that's perfectly reasonable. I don't have the answers either, that's why it's important to talk about.

Originally Posted By Peacening⏩

Most of them are mentally ill and persuaded to believe they're trans.... But if you don't call someone by their preferred gender you're just being a butthurt *******. If some schizo on the street was in my way yelling "I am Jesus! I am Jesus!" I would say "excuse me Jesus, move the fuk out my way *******" to be polite. Just call them what they want to be called, roll your eyes, and go about your day.

Honestly, I struggle with that. There is a place for empathy and compassion, but there is also a certain point where this feels like....I don't know, gaslighting? Like, you're a man. I look at you with my eyeballs and know that you are a man. No amount of affirmation is going to change that.

Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩

This.

90% of these kids and young adults do not transition because they truly feel they are a person of the opposite sex.

They do it because they are either:

Mentally ill.

Wanting attention/see it as a way to get social media clout.

Had difficulty getting attention from the opposite sex/couldn't get sex so they figured what the hell and switched.

Maybe you're right.

Originally Posted By wincel⏩

I'm for trans rights as long as there is no criminal behavior and women's rights are also protected. I think in some situations  it is appropriate to offer reassignment, and the medical research seems to corroborate this. As far as pronoun use, etc that's just nitpicky on either side. A person with visible male features shouldn't be offended at being called sir. I think sexual identity doesn't need to be broadcasted everywhere either. If a person is trans but tries to do their job and follow the law the best they can, I don't see why we cannot coexist.

As far as them being a tiny fraction of the population, true. But in any group of 150, you are fairly likely to find one. They are out there, and they aren't all p3dos, rapists, etc. Most are just people living very awkward lives, most likely due to brain developmental abnormalities.

I can see why you'd think it's nitpicky, but words do matter, even legally. Words like chinaman, savage, and other words I'm not comfortable writing here have been historically used to define classes of people. Women are a class of people, and you cannot have sex-based rights if gender identity usurps sex.

Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩

How is Portland doing?

Notice the riots last night?  Burning stuff in  the middle of the street.  Blocking streets.  Attacking cops.  Setting fire to a police precinct.

All so peaceful.  Just like with the Feds.

Let's keep the thread chill, please.

Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩

Some people naturally hold more feminine energy whilst others are more masculine - that's all.

Too bad we have no spiritual education in our institutes, only this ice-berg style 'science'.

I don't know what feminine energy is, it sounds a little gender woowoo to me. I can have whatever you perceive to be all the masculine energy in the world, it doesn't make me any less of a woman. I'm not particularly spiritual but I am religious, so if you'd like to elaborate further I'd read it.

Originally Posted By Casca⏩

I will absolutely never recognize a trans man as a women. I am not going to hate them and I do wish them well, but no.

Thanks for sharing, I appreciate your honesty.

Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩

Would've blown my head off during the first 5 minutes

Why is that? The first 5 minutes were an abbreviated version of the Irreversible Damage speaker that someone

Originally Posted By Kiop⏩

u are a shame
redraider, u shouldve
respected them instead
of bashing them

i for once
assumed my self
as a woman for days
then reverted back, no hormones used
but i tend to gentely molest my mboobs

iam currently a male
but will transition myself
late night, like a dracula

i am a shame

Originally Posted By jreacher⏩

That social media graph was pretty interesting.

I don't even know what to think about this anymore. I'm going to re-read the thread and glean some info.

I have a couple gay family members and always kinda lumped the trans stuff in with that, and want to be loving and accepting of everybody however they seem to be wired.

On the other hand, my oldest has a couple trans friends -- although I don't know if they have started hormones, I've been somewhat uncomfortable with their situations, especially how it's almost a status symbol to them.

My cousin has a daughter who is on testosterone. She might be 18... It does seem like an increasing phenomenon.

The more I think about it, the more I don't understand how trans issues were ever lumped in with gay rights. I know that plenty of men liked to cross-dress, but they were still men in dresses and never claimed to be anything else.

If you'd like to read more, here's another writeup from a presenter:https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/bearing-witness

Originally Posted By niospecv⏩

LOL

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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩

negged, *******.

Could you share why this has upset you?

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Originally Posted By Kay4Kool⏩

What snacks were prepped for such a duration?

I made a loaf of bread and some green borsch



....And a crapton of mango iced tea!

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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩

did they talk about penis envy and vagina envy from freud

No.

Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

The answer can not be to redefine legal meanings and legal protections to stop hurt feelings.

Trans people should either accept that they already have the same rights as everyone else. - To dress, toilet, share facilities, prisons and compete with their own biological sex. Etc.

OR

They should petition/campaign for their own spaces for their own unique needs, the same way women had to a few years ago. Not try and snatch the spaces that were fought for by and created for women.

Or just be okay with who you are. :/ I know that's hard for a lot of people, I get that. I couldn't be a professional in my field of passion as a young adult because of my body, tough chit. It isn't fair, but fair is where you take the pig.

Originally Posted By wincel⏩

hnnnng dat bread looks good

It's delicious and the easiest bread to make in the world, you don't even need to knead it!

Originally Posted By HayZues

Not reading thread because lazy and at work, but WHY did you attend this??

I can easily find resources that help people transition, but it's difficult to find so many people willing to talk about how it can possibly harm young people. I don't think "mental illness" is going to change anyone's mind and so it's important to me that I learn and hear from people far more knowledgable than me.

And I had an entire cross stitching project to catch up onListening to interesting experts speak about things that are important to me while park on the couch stitching is a dream!

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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩

I made a loaf of bread and some green borsch



....And a crapton of mango iced tea!

Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩

wt fuk i love the left now.

These two things are the best parts of this thred.

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I see two pieces which may, or may not, fit together the way I see them.

One is an apparent increase in the number of neuro atypical children. One guy theorizes that is related to the use of glyphosphate. I don't know if he is on to something, or not, but I do know that glyphosphate affects our gut bacteria and that our gut bacteria seem to have an influence on our neurology.



The second piece is what seems to be a definite correlation between autism or sensory processing disorders and gender dysphoria.

A new theory of gender dysphoria argues the symptoms of the condition are due to changes in network activity, rather than incorrect brain sex, according to work recently published in eNeuro.

Gender dysphoria is a state of extreme distress caused by the feeling that a person’s true gender does not match the gender assigned at birth. The leading theory of the mechanism behind gender dysphoria attributes the condition to people possessing brains regions with the size and shape of the opposite sex, instead of their biological sex. However, recent brain imaging studies don’t support that theory.

Stephen Gliske reviewed previous research and has developed a new multisense theory of gender dysphoria focused on function of brain regions, rather than only size and shape. He proposes gender dysphoria is caused by altered activity in three networks – the distress, social behavior, and body-ownership networks – affecting distress and one’s sense of their own gender. Previous studies support the premise that activity changes in these networks are associated with anatomical changes and feelings of gender dysphoria.

If supported by further research, this theory could offer ways to treat the distress of gender dysphoria patients without relying on invasive and irreversible gender reassignment surgery.

The paper this was based on was retracted by their editorial board. The claim the retraction was generally for "insufficient evidence". Maybe. But I wonder if it wasn't such a touchy area if the paper would have received the same amount of scrutiny.

This was more recently published:

Discussion

In this study, we investigated three primary questions, and an additional exploratory question using five different, large-scale datasets. First, across all five datasets, transgender and gender-diverse individuals were 3.03 to 6.36 times as likely to be autistic than were cisgender individuals, after controlling for age and educational attainment. Second, transgender and gender-diverse individuals scored significantly higher on self-report measures of autistic traits, systemizing and sensory sensitivity and scored significantly lower on empathy traits compared to cisgender individuals. Third, in two datasets with available data, transgender and gender-diverse individuals had elevated rates of multiple other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric conditions. Finally, exploratory analysis identified that transgender and gender-diverse individuals were more likely to report that they suspected they had undiagnosed autism.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17794-1

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