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post 1635664393 04-07-2021, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Mike1991⏩
Happy I built my house last year before these crazy increases. Spent 130k on lumber.. Can only imagine what it would be now
Honestly, Starting to think building your own house is infinitely cheaper then buying SRS.
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post 1635664783 04-07-2021, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
I noticed this recently honestly think it's that there INFLATIONREAPER coming for dat booty INB4 materials cost more so less people can afford to build but housing prices keep going up as a result and the poor pathetic cuck waiting to buy when the bubble breaks puts on a straight jacket and gets sent to suicide watch.
When the pandemic started, China was buying up raw materials at rock bottom prices. That is why the demand is so high
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
WTI is up 50% since August. Spread with WCS has tightened up too.

Major producers are all trying to stack last years deferred work ontop of this years as well, contractors are going to start getting overheated.
Wouldn’t doubt it man, I’m working on a shutdown with CNRL right now and we’ve turned down work packages because of manpower limitations. Already got 250 people on site

If Biden wants to re-do 20,000 miles of roads in the US with the infrastructure plan, that’ll be a solid tailwind for heavy crude
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fuark, i need a new roof this year.

The hack who did it last didnt put any sort of ice guard or tar paper between the shingles and the plywood so if it fails its going to be pretty bad.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Honestly, Starting to think building your own house is infinitely cheaper then buying SRS.
Way cheaper if you have the knowhow

I ended up doing all my own excavation, concrete work, grading, HVAC, electrical, plumbing, cement board Siding, finish carpentry, flooring etc..

Paid someone to do my kitchen, drywall/taping painting and all of my soffit facia. Pretty much got 4 quotes for absolutely everything.. and anything I figured I could save 10-15k a week doing myself I did

Ended up building a 3600sqft house with really nice finishes and a big garage for like 350k. To hire a builder would of easily been 650k+

Honestly probably could of done the whole thing in under 3 months. But the painter took a month, and the drywallers took 2 months to do their jobs.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Honestly, Starting to think building your own house is infinitely cheaper then buying SRS.
Some people live in mobile homes or live on houses built on top of a trailer. Probably not comfortable in Idaho but I'm sure there's still some cheap desert in one of the southern states.
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Originally Posted By Mike1991⏩
Way cheaper if you have the knowhow

I ended up doing all my own excavation, concrete work, grading, HVAC, electrical, plumbing, cement board Siding, finish carpentry, flooring etc..

Paid someone to do my kitchen, drywall/taping painting and all of my soffit facia. Pretty much got 4 quotes for absolutely everything.. and anything I figured I could save 10-15k a week doing myself I did

Ended up building a 3600sqft house with really nice finishes and a big garage for like 350k. To hire a builder would of easily been 650k+

Honestly probably could of done the whole thing in under 3 months. But the painter took a month, and the drywallers took 2 months to do their jobs.
Are you on that tradie time or did you learn and did it pass inspection...?! SRS, Land where I am is stupid expensive so my location may not be the best but been slowly doing home Reno and learning how dirt cheap all the materials are even though labor and some other things could really make it a bit expensive I feel like having the control to build a truly great and well built property is x10 better in the long run so many houses near me are expensive as **** but so run down and built fairly long time ago so building has probably improved a lot and for the cost to basically do a whole house reno even on the cheap side starts to make you wonder if building is just better since you can take the time to make sure it's a truly well built house so it will appreciate really well and be alot more desirable then other houses I also noticed that alot of houses are pretty cookie cutter and even the semi unique ones you can tell where the builder cut corner or did a **** job in the planning and it's like your basically stuck with it I feel like very few homes you can buy including new construction are truly done well and they end up costing a ton more especially if you have to upgrade or redo things.
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Originally Posted By DoYouEvenNEM⏩
Some people live in mobile homes or live on houses built on top of a trailer. Probably not comfortable in Idaho but I'm sure there's still some cheap desert in one of the southern states.
Das not it, SRS.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Wouldn’t doubt it man, I’m working on a shutdown with CNRL right now and we’ve turned down work packages because of manpower limitations. Already got 250 people on site

If Biden wants to re-do 20,000 miles of roads in the US with the infrastructure plan, that’ll be a solid tailwind for heavy crude
They are also kneecapping domestic production and getting back in bed with the Saudis, I work with a publicly traded entity and their analysts are feeling $85/bbl.

Just got to get that second line over the mountains.
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Originally Posted By EEBreh⏩
fuark, i need a new roof this year.

The hack who did it last didnt put any sort of ice guard or tar paper between the shingles and the plywood so if it fails its going to be pretty bad.
Got quoted 23k for my roof. Tempted to do it myself, but have a steep pitch with like 30 ft cliff off the peaks. Got harness and what not but still massive pain.
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Everything is on short supply

So hard to give quotes because everything jumps in price every week

I have a hard time finding coils for furnaces and breakers for panels, I've been having to buy hot water tanks by the dozen to keep prices low since they are high AF tight now too

Romex is like $120 a roll

Chit is getting out of hand, I don't even get how people do new builds
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
They are also kneecapping domestic production and getting back in bed with the Saudis, I work with a publicly traded entity and their analysts are feeling $85/bbl.

Just got to get that second line over the mountains.
Same here but not so much on the production side, but one of the top 10 EPCs. But I’m hopping companies in May and going to work potash in Sask for a while, lots of money to be made out there
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Same here but not so much on the production side, but one of the top 10 EPCs. But I’m hopping companies in May and going to work potash in Sask for a while, lots of money to be made out there
I have been watching, BHP is supposed to make a major funding decision next week.

Would be a $B infrastructure push kicking off this fall.
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
Everything is on short supply

So hard to give quotes because everything jumps in price every week

I have a hard time finding coils for furnaces and breakers for panels, I've been having to buy hot water tanks by the dozen to keep prices low since they are high AF tight now too

Romex is like $120 a roll

Chit is getting out of hand, I don't even get how people do new builds
Shouldn't you already be having a stock of regularly used materials...?!
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Originally Posted By EEBreh⏩
fuark, i need a new roof this year.

The hack who did it last didnt put any sort of ice guard or tar paper between the shingles and the plywood so if it fails its going to be pretty bad.
Storm guard. That blows they screwed you over. I've interviewed more than 20+ tradies / companies in this last 2 months. It's been exhausting..

But.. I learned a sh!t ton about roofing in the past few months watching presentations from uppity companies trying to show the differences of products of theirs vs the cheap 3tab fly by day tradies who don't put any storm guard and didn't bother replacing new underlayment over the roof deck.

Committed to a roofing job this past week. A little over 14K - they're redoing the vents and adding in ridge vents to the hips. Texas summers don't play. I need better ventilation in the attic. This past weekend my grounds keeper aka my bf installed sensors in my attic so I can keep track of the temps to see how big of a difference it makes.

I'm also going to have another company come through and put in new hardie siding for the 2nd floor of the whole house. Another 15k.

Only thing I'm happy about or excited for are the two huge skylights I'm putting in for another 6K.


What I really wanted was a new side deck and an outdoor shower for my pool but I guess that's gotta wait bc of these lumber prices.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Hahaha that curtailment tho
I don’t think Alberta curtailed all that much, it was the Saudis that were responsible for virtually all curtailment.
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My parents recently had to sell their land they were going to build on because of this. Strong skyrocketing lumber prices along with other materials for the house.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Shouldn't you already be having a stock of regularly used materials...?!
I usually buy for the job unless i have the part in my van or garages. Big jobs Ill order skids of stuff, I just did a hotel remodel and thankfully I pre-ordered everything copper because it went up every week

Hot water tanks are the only thing I'll sit on and buy in bulk since I can flip them pretty quick this time of year
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on suicide watch? if anything they are now ceo 10k/a day miscers
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Literally everything that’s happening is for the Great Reset. That’s why the ship that got stuck in the Suez drew a dik in the water before. Everyone is about to get fukked so hard they won’t even be able to see straight
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
I usually buy for the job unless i have the part in my van or garages. Big jobs Ill order skids of stuff, I just did a hotel remodel and thankfully I pre-ordered everything copper because it went up every week

Hot water tanks are the only thing I'll sit on and buy in bulk since I can flip them pretty quick this time of year
Interesting, I always figured the true CONTRACTMOGGERS and DEVLOPMENTMAXXXERS had some type of warehouse where they stock pilled tons on commonly used supplies opposed to having to run to home depot 8 times a day or something even me as a residential private remodeler for my own house has a pretty decent stock of frequently used building supplies SRS.
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Originally Posted By bchap05⏩
Got quoted 23k for my roof. Tempted to do it myself, but have a steep pitch with like 30 ft cliff off the peaks. Got harness and what not but still massive pain.
how many sq ft is your roof?

I did a 2k sq ft roof on one of my houses and I can tell you that its worth the money to have someone do it in most instances.
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Custom cottages and complete cottage services from propane, docks, to cottage winterizing, to high end custom chit.

But its all seasonal water access stuff out of boats. Barges, helicopters, snowmobiles and hovercraft to access jobsites.

yourself?
What building material supplier do you use?
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Interesting, I always figured the true CONTRACTMOGGERS and DEVLOPMENTMAXXXERS had some type of warehouse where they stock pilled tons on commonly used supplies opposed to having to run to home depot 8 times a day or something even me as a residential private remodeler for my own house has a pretty decent stock of frequently used building supplies SRS.
The gospel in contracting is just in time delivery and limiting operating capital costs.

You want materials delivered the day before you install them, and then put your suppliers on a 'pay when paid' supply contract so you can pay for these materials the day after you get paid. No hit to your books or cash on hand.

I work on development proposals in the 250M+ range all the time, and a lot of the decision if we would even bid is the CAPEX/OPEX profile of the job. If I left hundreds of thousands of inventory laying around on spec tying up operating capital it would be my head.

Good way to get chit done without much money, but it leaves you exposed when supply chains fcuk up.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
how many sq ft is your roof?

I did a 2k sq ft roof on one of my houses and I can tell you that its worth the money to have someone do it in most instances.
Seriously, My grandma just got a bid for like 14k for new gutters and downspout and a 30 year roof if I am not mistaken and a few other small projects.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
What would you say causes demand ratio to be out of whack perhaps low interest rates causing jumbo loans for over building and over utilization of available materials causing a shortage and remaining available material sky high or....?! Potential future contractor / builder / developer / tradie whip cracker and makes me nervous about wanting to go into the industry SRS.
That is part of it

The Texas freeze and covid overreactions fuked production for a lot of the things I deal with. Pvc which is critical for plumbing is manufactured in the south and a lot of the plants were knocked out when the cold hit.

Lots of factories are working with limited staff still, and there’s a trucker shortage to transport the finished goods. It’s all fuked and will be for awhile
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
That is part of it

The Texas freeze and covid overreactions fuked production for a lot of the things I deal with. Pvc which is critical for plumbing is manufactured in the south and a lot of the plants were knocked out when the cold hit.

Lots of factories are working with limited staff still, and there’s a trucker shortage to transport the finished goods. It’s all fuked and will be for awhile
Its that chain reaction thats driving some of the spike in housing as well.

There is lack of lot and home inventory and delays in responding. Developers stopped building last spring when everyone thought the world was ending, and now everyone is a year behind and wants to be back.

More people are looking to improve their home situation, people are looking at setting up for more productive WFH, lots of factors driving demand. Pent up demand and a lack of available inventory and (and COVID problems) are disrupting supply chains upstream for lumber, copper, and a hundred other things which is compounding the issue.

Contractors are tapped out, and lower skilled labour (sorry cribbers/framers but you know I'm right) is hard to find even at high unemployment rates between stim/CERB and travel restrictions keeping people from following the work.

Tack on foreign money flooding in to US/Canada as things deteriorate in Hong Kong and other places, buying real estate keeps it safe from seizure. This making anywhere with a direct flight a hotspot and driving people into other cities amplifying the problem country wide.

Its a rich tapestry of ****. My guess is tack a year on to the end of the Pandemic before you see anything near normal.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
The gospel in contracting is just in time delivery and limiting operating capital costs.

You want materials delivered the day before you install them, and then put your suppliers on a 'pay when paid' supply contract so you can pay for these materials the day after you get paid. No hit to your books or cash on hand.

I work on development proposals in the 250M+ range all the time, and a lot of the decision if we would even bid is the CAPEX/OPEX profile of the job. If I left hundreds of thousands of inventory laying around on spec tying up operating capital it would be my head.

Good way to get chit done without much money, but it leaves you exposed when supply chains fcuk up.
Interesting, Having materials deliver does sound cheaper in the immediate but you have to wonder bulk prices and storage plus maybe a used older deliver truck could be cheaper in the long run as you mentioned limiting operating capital costs is important you would think already having supplies and transporting them yourself would be cheaper then paying a for profit supplier and delivery service but solid point about getting fronted the supplies and doing a pay when get paid contract that is INTELLIGENTMAXXED as fook.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Interesting, Having materials deliver does sound cheaper in the immediate but you have to wonder bulk prices and storage plus maybe a used older deliver truck could be cheaper in the long run as you mentioned limiting operating capital costs is important you would think already having supplies and transporting them yourself would be cheaper then paying a for profit supplier and delivery service but solid point about getting fronted the supplies and doing a pay when get paid contract that is INTELLIGENTMAXXED as fook.
Its a balance.

Inventory has capital costs, capital and operating costs (property tax, security, heat, light,power) for storage and delivery, you get breakage and minor loss anytime you repeatedly handle stuff, and its all a drag on overhead costs and competitiveness.

You also lock in your costs when you buy products that are volatile in price, so you could wind up with $10 wood in an $8 market and wind up taking losses to compete. Plus in a just-in-time world everyone is in the same boat, so you just pass the increases to the customer like everyone else does.

We keep an inventory of absolutely critical spares and some stuff we physically cant operate without, but its peanuts compared to the hundreds of millions we shift every year.
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