Because everybody's doin a brand new dance now


come on, baby

If there is a monetary gain for hospitals to have covid patients, yeah human beings are ****ty and some will abuse this. This doesn't discredit all the research ... A hospital ceo/ their frontline clinicians have nothing to do with the researchers funded by unis/ orgs etc.

I also dont think a handful of these events, whether malicious or not is a widespread issue. Just like illegal ballotsI mean my average hospitalist isnt doing research on covid and is probably the one writing the death cert. And yes, like you trust the engineers at honda to make a civic that won't explode on the way to work I generally trust the people who spend most of their life working in a field of research and are verified by peers

Just lol. When funding and pay structure is stacked against academia science in favor of paradigm consensus, it creates an unfair, inaccurate and corrupt narrative.

Not particularly, no. She’s had a good run.

Also just had a girl unmatch me because I wont get vaccinated and refused to provide her with weekly covid test results for the privilege of buying her drinks. Lmao

True. But then this logic insinuates that the narrative on both sides is flawed and corrupt and leaves us with nothing. Or.........you look into the data and recognize some is flawed but try to ascertain how much of the data is likely real and make an informed decision based on that. I continue to be amazed that otherwise seemingly intelligent people will continue to argue about the exceptions and ignore the reality right in front of them.

Just do what the man says, OP. Stop back sassing!

uhhh, no it's not just a one off thing here and there. This is how covid deaths are labeled in the US and has been admitted by top health officials.


You can be in hospice with weeks to live already, but if you contract the virus and die they'll say covid was your cause of death. Even though we know that is not true.

If you are 90, obese, have kidney disease and a host of other issues waiting to die, and then you contract covid and die. Covid was NOT the true cause of your death and everyone knows that.
It's being run this way because of a narrative they want to keep propogating.

But of course you live in Cucknada, I wouldn't expect anything less from a pathetic country still in Lockdown over this clown show.

same chicks that will black out on the verge of death from alcohol and get raw dogged by strangers.

But is scared of possible fly symptoms lmao!

The reality that these vaccines either kill or harm all animals in every single trial?
The reality that the majority ofCovid deaths have at minimum 2.6 comorbidities?
The reality that CDC directed all medical professionals to list ALL DEATH CASES as covid.
The reality that Covid is less deadly than the seasonal flu?

What reality exactly?

Brother's good buddy's wife (probably ~35) just got it and fainted, hit her head and had a seizure

on the plus side, her social credit score is way up now thanks to getting the fauci ouchie

all in all, a net positive

There are many cases where what you state is correct. Rather than letting this distract us completely, however, the question still remains: to what extent is the virus a real threat to individuals without health conditions that would result in death absent COVID within (pick a time frame. 1 year? If you beleive the only people significantly impacted by COVID are near death already you clearly have a smaller friend circle that I do. Or did.

I get shamed by my family everyday for not getting it and I’m not one of those people telling them not to get it, idgaf what they do.

Mom: what if your sister doesn’t let you see your nephew!!!!

wow our medically literate misses discovered what comorbidities are all own their own

Amazing

I have nothing to add, other than I met an EMT who confirmed this to me directly late last year.

-Changes in United States Data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition

“As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.”

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

what? you can't even construct a basic sentence.

also they don't even need to test the person at time of death.

If the physician feels that their symptoms are close enough they can list them as covid death. this is all on the CDC website.

This means that people dying of the flu and pneumonia in many cases are listed as covid.

Funny how the FLU completely vanished this year for the first time in hundreds of years!

Why does it matter whether another person gets the vaccine or not?

1. unless you're dying of a car crash at a young age, guess what you're statistically going to have comorbities
2. I dont believe this to be remotely true
3. The grossest estimates are no where near 100k deaths in a single flu season in completely incongruent scenarios... Do you think the 2017 flu season is akin to the covid response? no, oh and in the states and covid over 600k now... quik maffs

I'm not even anti-vax, but this logic sucks dik and you know it.

Do you make every decision in life based on chances that are technically non-zero?

The reality that we cannot compare one potential option to the status quo that existed without COVID. I work at an executive level across the US helping companies make decisions just like this....and most struggle, even in the C-Suite. The comparison is not "Vaccine vs. before vaccine" the comparison is "vaccine vs. virus". The status quo, as it existed before, is no longer an option. We have to compare relative evils.....so let's look at them in order as you listed them.

1. vaccines kill or harm animals in trials. I would expect this to be true. It's a vaccine designed to create an immune response and that inherently carries risks. The comparison is not "vaccine vs. no vaccine" it's "Vaccine and reduced virus response vs. no vaccine and take our changes on virus response". There can be many answers to that question.

2. 2.6 comorbidities. That's a morality question. When we discuss comorbidities most people seem to like to pretend these are all imminently fatal without COVID while that is not typically the case. Obesity is a comorbidity. Looks like you have some muscle mass, what's your BMI? You might qualify as obese, if not overweight. There are hundreds of others I could list but that's why its a morality question. Do these folks deserve to die if they have mild (treatable) athsma and a moderately high BMI?

3. ALL Death Cases - I think that you are referring to counting all death cases WITH COVID as COVID, but even if I grant you the statement as written it's completely dodges the subject. You can question the statistical significance of the RATE of death but does that make all of them invalid?

4. Seasonal Flu - one of the weakest arguements I have ever seen. This comparison (which comes up constantly) compares Flu with zero social impacts to reduce spread to COVID during various stages of shut down (and usually with heaps of data discarded).

Correct.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.”

lmao

It doesnt , we are way past that point now.
Just face it, we are going to be around those with and without it in public settings.

I got a vaccine because I don't like getting sick same reason I get a flu shot. I tell the super leftist people I know I didn't get it just to trigger them though. I cant help it they get so mad its hilarious.

lol I love this. I can't get mad at anyone not choosing to take the vaccine. It's a comparison of two relative evils and I don't know anyone's individual story. Perhaps more importantly there is no evidence having the vaccine slows the spread and we simply don't seem to be able to have a National (or world) consensus on what our strategy is here. This is like getting mad at someone for not wearing their seatbelt.

I've had a flu shot a number of years and still got the flu bad that year.

I love how people are treating vaccines like they're some fool-proof magical antidote. It doesn't stop you from contracting the virus and there is still a definite chance of getting sick.

1. This vaccine killed or harmed ALL animals in testing..not some

2.330k “covid” American deaths in 2020 (less 94% that had comorbidity) is 20k American deaths due to Covid without co-morbidity. 20k deaths compared to even half the 2018 influenza deaths still makes influenza far deadlier or…. Covid19 is simply influenza rebranded with non-stop media histrionics, padded stats and inaccurate testing (PCR) which no gold standards to compare.

3.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/
https://www.cste.org/news/500750/CST...e-NNC-List.htm

4. 2017-2018 influenza season according to CDC saw 61,000 deaths being directly related to influenza and not attributed to any other disease

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden.../2017-2018.htm

However, this article states Influenza and complications killed 80,000 Americans in 2018.

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/...deaths-winter/

The article also states that many influenza cases are never reported on the death certificate due to it being so common so in theory deaths attributed to influenza could be far worse.
2020 – 2021 influenza season saw 2% of historical influenza cases recorded.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti...ritheflu/88676

SARS-COV-2 will not/cannot be contained or eradicated. What is going on right now, is known in epidemiology as the pathogen endemic equilibrium phase, (viral stasis) and is perfectly normal. Virulence weakening and dilution is what always happens when mutations and naturally acquired herd immunity is occurring throughout the populations. Invariably mutation causes infection rate increase ( seasonality still being the biggest factor) and lethality rate decrease, henceforth it becomes ubiquitous and permanent. Vaccination at this stage is essentially pointless.

1. Good. That means it worked. Stop stressing the strictly negative narrative and focus on the relativity of the two options before us.

2. Your COVID vs. Flu comparison is selective and not the total picture. Ok......Flu may be more deadly if you have no comorbidities than COVID. Even if we accept that as true it's irrelevant unless we morally agree that we don't care about people with comorbidities (and also makes me want to see that the comorbidities was fully recorded for the flu which may not be the case).

3. Fully aware. In my immediate family are 2 ER Docs (one runs the ER) and a post-doc on immunology/virology....seen it more than once. It doesn't mean what your ******** friends have convinced you it means but I'll grant you that it almost certainly leads to overstatement of COVID deaths. I granted that in my first statement you failed to read. That's not the question. The questions is how many are real?

4. Your article makes my exact case. Thank you for posting it. Your last article confirms that social (and other) measures taken significantly reduced the spread of the FLU this last year. It also likely significanltly reduced the spread of COVID. Which is why it is asinine to compare 2020 COVID numbers to 2018 flu numbers. Absurd.