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post 1642813863 07-14-2021, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
It doesn't matter. Those girls are fuking men out of their league leaving their equals behind.
This is true. Women can get easy sex from top guys but not relationships.

So if you’re a guy you either LDAR or work on yourself. It’s never been easier to be a top 10-20% male. Yes genetics play a factor but if you work out regularly, eat right, have decent style, have hobbies that aren’t fortnite then you’ll be fine



The average guy is absolutely pathetic and has been for some time. If you look around and don’t see that you are likely pathetic yourself (not saying you specifically but in general)

Doesn’t take much people watching to see why women aren't into a 28 year old man child with a beer gut, Marvel t shirt, who’s weekend activities are limited to sitting on the couch watching other men his age play football
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Originally Posted By badbl00d
Name someone well known or famous you would consider a 7/10.
A solid 7, maybe Ellen page before she turned to a man
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra
5 pages of miscers posting thesis's when the issue is simply that OP is short.

That's literally all there is to it.

It's not his attitude, it's not his personality, it's not his lack of trying, he's just short.

You people are really dumb and act like women can judge the quality of a man. That's basically saying that a group of people who can't do anything right are able to identify the highest of achievers, think about how dumb that is to believe for a second.
This isn't even about me that's analchron being retarded.

I wanted people to discuss the article and the trends
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean
This is true. Women can get easy sex from top guys but not relationships.

So if you’re a guy you either LDAR or work on yourself. It’s never been easier to be a top 10-20% male. Yes genetics play a factor but if you work out regularly, eat right, have decent style, have hobbies that aren’t fortnite then you’ll be fine



The average guy is absolutely pathetic and has been for some time. If you look around and don’t see that you are likely pathetic yourself (not saying you specifically but in general)

Doesn’t take much people watching to see why women aren't into a 28 year old man child with a beer gut, Marvel t shirt, who’s weekend activities are limited to sitting on the couch watching other men his age play football
This is false. Read the article. Women judge 80% of men as unattractive physically. She doesn't care if Joe blow has worked on himself, joe blow still doesn't meet her standards and Tyrone is only a swipe away
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also from the article:

What happens when a woman out-earns her husband? One study found that marriages where the wife out-earned the husband were 50 percent more likely to end in divorce. This is corroborated by Finnish researchers who concluded that whereas “a husband’s high income decreased the risk of divorce … a wife’s high income increased the risk at all levels of the other spouse’s income, but especially when the wife’s income exceeded the husband’s.”

Furthermore, a study of Swedish couples reported that when the wife contributed 80 percent or more to the total income, the divorce risk was twice as high as when she contributed less than 20 percent. Curiously, one study also found that men who were not the primary breadwinner were more likely to use erectile dysfunction medication relative to men that were.



women being successful is terrible for society, srs
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post 1642814373 07-14-2021, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
from the article:

This current situation can be summarized along four parameters:

1. Increasing female achievement.
2. Growing variability in male status and competence.
3. An evolutionary desire among females to marry up.
4. The globalization of the sexual marketplace and resultant collapse of local status hierarchies.



these 2 are key.

think about it, women are only happy wen they date up

the more they achieve, the smaller the pool of men whom they deem superior to themselves - theyre literally setting themselves up for love life failure.

and the innate female solipsism will blame men "where are all the good men?"
This is exactly part of the problem. But only just part, because finances are only a basic criteria so you aren't dismissed outright.

In other words, there are plenty of incels who meet the money criteria but fail some other criteria like height.

6 figure, 6 feet 6 inches
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Says the guy who is looking for long term non-superficial relationships on the most superficial platforms by adding 6" to his height.

I don't think I'm the one who is retarded.
I was looking for sex also. And that was only way to get an opportunity. As I just mentioned, for the past few weeks I took off the height lie and now I get no matches whatsoever.
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Originally Posted By eod8989
Things literally changed post 2012 with social media/online dating and 4th wave feminism

If you look back almost everything that is going on right now started either in 2012 or a year or two after/before

It literally opened a pandoras box and it's not hard to see. But what can you do?
Holy chit you are a legit bot.

Nothing new in every post.
445/340/545
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
also from the article:

What happens when a woman out-earns her husband? One study found that marriages where the wife out-earned the husband were 50 percent more likely to end in divorce. This is corroborated by Finnish researchers who concluded that whereas “a husband’s high income decreased the risk of divorce … a wife’s high income increased the risk at all levels of the other spouse’s income, but especially when the wife’s income exceeded the husband’s.”

Furthermore, a study of Swedish couples reported that when the wife contributed 80 percent or more to the total income, the divorce risk was twice as high as when she contributed less than 20 percent. Curiously, one study also found that men who were not the primary breadwinner were more likely to use erectile dysfunction medication relative to men that were.



women being successful is terrible for society, srs
Basically yes. Only men above her will be attractive. Leaving more and more women chasing the elite men and noting else
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
This is false. Read the article. Women judge 80% of men as unattractive physically. She doesn't care if Joe blow has worked on himself, joe blow still doesn't meet her standards and Tyrone is only a swipe away
What I said doesn’t go against the 80/20 rule.


Now if every man got red pilled and got fit, more masculine, took better care of themselves, groomed, etc then you may have a point. Women likely would only migrate to the top still


But that isn’t and will never be the case. To reach the top 20% you just have to give a damn. You don’t have to be Tyrone. Tyrones are the top 1-5%. You may never beat him but you can still have the leverage in the dating market. Just takes work
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
this isnt reality. Men are blowing up even fat and ugly chicks who are beneath them in looks. even 2/10s have a surplus of options

What you're describing is what the women are doing. All women trying to date the small pool of elite men, leaving low tier men with nothing
So stop being a low tier man. It really isn't that hard to make yourself look better at the very least. Things like height of course you can't change, but you can certainly improve by being able to work a room and be charismatic.

Problem with men today is they would rather complain about the problem then work on fixing it.
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this article is just one giant inadvertent advertisement for the idiocy that was women's suffrage

Studies using data from classic online dating websites and speed-dating both found that men exhibited less of a preference for women whose intelligence or ambition exceeded their own. A study by four UK universities found that a woman’s likelihood of marriage decreased by 40 percent for each 16-point increase in her IQ. In contrast, men experienced a 35 percent increase in the likelihood of marriage for each 16-point IQ increase. Finally, researchers reported that men displayed lower levels of implicit self-esteem when confronted with their female partner’s success. The opposite holds true for women when their male partner succeeded.


srs, this chit would go away if women got the fuk back in the kitchen
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
This is exactly part of the problem. But only just part, because finances are only a basic criteria so you aren't dismissed outright.

In other words, there are plenty of incels who meet the money criteria but fail some other criteria like height.

6 figure, 6 feet 6 inches
brah it comes down to hypergamy

from the article:

Premised on sex ratios, a surplus of women in education and economic groups caters to men’s desire for multiple partners. The relative rarity of men within these groups means that women, in competition with other females, are more likely to conform to the sexual strategy of males.

there is a shortage of high value men whom women view as optimal for their mating strategy; thus, those that meet this criteria can live like harem kings

cliffs:

women would rather share a high value man than have you all to themselves
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean
What I said doesn’t go against the 80/20 rule.


Now if every man got red pilled and got fit, more masculine, took better care of themselves, groomed, etc then you may have a point. Women likely would only migrate to the top still


But that isn’t and will never be the case. To reach the top 20% you just have to give a damn. You don’t have to be Tyrone. Tyrones are the top 1-5%. You may never beat him but you can still have the leverage in the dating market. Just takes work
So to your last point, I think you have to be realistic.

Yes, if the average Joe blow hit the gym hard and picked a decent career he could at least have a nice body and have the finances piece.

But what does that get him? Nowadays still maybe something we'll beneath his level. I've recently seen legit 3s claiming they turn down guys with high salaries, multiple houses etc because they have many of those guys lined up.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget
So stop being a low tier man. It really isn't that hard to make yourself look better at the very least. Things like height of course you can't change, but you can certainly improve by being able to work a room and be charismatic.

Problem with men today is they would rather complain about the problem then work on fixing it.
When it comes to height specifically, the amount of money you'd need to make up for it is just not realistic. And in the end, all that might mean is you bang a few gold digging 4s? Its a bad deal man
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
brah it comes down to hypergamy

from the article:

Premised on sex ratios, a surplus of women in education and economic groups caters to men’s desire for multiple partners. The relative rarity of men within these groups means that women, in competition with other females, are more likely to conform to the sexual strategy of males.

there is a shortage of high value men whom women view as optimal for their mating strategy; thus, those that meet this criteria can live like harem kings

cliffs:

women would rather share a high value man than have you all to themselves
That's why I think ultimately we will move towards a society that accepts harems so women can be happy. It'll be progressive and promote female empowerment
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
So to your last point, I think you have to be realistic.

Yes, if the average Joe blow hit the gym hard and picked a decent career he could at least have a nice body and have the finances piece.

But what does that get him? Nowadays still maybe something we'll beneath his level. I've recently seen legit 3s claiming they turn down guys with high salaries, multiple houses etc because they have many of those guys lined up.
Posts you see on here or other sites from fat dumb sloots about their standards don’t count


Go in the real world man. If you have a well adjusted social circle then they likely have girlfriends or are married. Odds are, these guys aren’t models either.


Become the prize and treat yourself as the prize and women will follow. But it takes work and most men (people) don’t like to hear that
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
So to your last point, I think you have to be realistic.

Yes, if the average Joe blow hit the gym hard and picked a decent career he could at least have a nice body and have the finances piece.

But what does that get him? Nowadays still maybe something we'll beneath his level. I've recently seen legit 3s claiming they turn down guys with high salaries, multiple houses etc because they have many of those guys lined up.
I always call BS on this statement. When I was seriously dating I could still attract half decent women anytime I wanted. For my age I'd realistically rate myself as a 6 in looks and an 8 in personality and game. Anytime I wanted I could land a 6-7 off Tinder and obviously got matches from tons of hags and hambeasts but I wouldn't bother.

These women who are 3's and getting attention from guys I highly doubt the guys are anything close to high value. They might be decent looking but are desperate and have terrible game or are train wrecks otherwise.
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I remember when this used to bother me
"It's hard to be yourself in a world filled with haters" - WiseOldApe.

"Why be anything when you can be an influencer?" - WiseOldApe.

"It's not about what is said - it's about who it is said by" - WiseOldApe.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget
I always call BS on this statement. When I was seriously dating I could still attract half decent women anytime I wanted. For my age I'd realistically rate myself as a 6 in looks and an 8 in personality and game. Anytime I wanted I could land a 6-7 off Tinder and obviously got matches from tons of hags and hambeasts but I wouldn't bother.

These women who are 3's and getting attention from guys I highly doubt the guys are anything close to high value. They might be decent looking but are desperate and have terrible game or are train wrecks otherwise.
Always listen to people with experience vs without



I’d rate myself a 7.5 at best , and when single literally would sit on 1k+ matches on hinge, and was always dating 3-4 girls at any one time. And I’m nothing special - actually was a virgin until 21 (late bloomer)

Howd i become a late bloomer? By putting the work in.

For every girl that you think is a 3 that has guys chasing them, there are plenty of attractive girls you see and think “they are dating that dude???”. I’m not saying there isn’t truth to OPs article. I know firsthand what it takes to succeed in apps and have seen other friends fail. But it is way more accessible than you think. Just takes an oppenness to fail, learn from it, and try again.


Most guys are just 100% clueless with what women want. I know I was at one time
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More generally, there’s a disconnect between what women want and what is actually available to them. Whereas greater male attainment increases the number of romantic options a man has, greater female attainment reduces the number of options a woman has.

This imbalance in the sexual marketplace is not a good thing. A society teeming with lonely women and sexually frustrated men is one hurtling toward disaster. It is imperative that we, as a society, think carefully about solutions to this burgeoning crisis.



the author correctly identifies the issues, but his conditioning will not let him see the cause or the solution.

women are more akin to children than they are men, in that if left to make their own decisions, they will often choose options that are to the detriment of society and ultimately themselves.





this gif sums up our society, we jam politically correct square pegs into round holes and all larp and pretend they fit. Those that dare point out that they dont fit and square hole is a better fit get ostracized.
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean
Posts you see on here or other sites from fat dumb sloots about their standards don’t count


Go in the real world man. If you have a well adjusted social circle then they likely have girlfriends or are married. Odds are, these guys aren’t models either.


Become the prize and treat yourself as the prize and women will follow. But it takes work and most men (people) don’t like to hear that
The chicks I'm referencing are from real life dude. These were chubby white chicks with mediocre faces bragging about dating out of their league.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
The chicks I'm referencing are from real life dude. These were chubby white chicks with mediocre faces bragging about dating out of their league.
And I bet those guys aren’t prizes either. And no, having money alone doesn’t make you a prize. Again that’s just going beta bucks route


If you weren’t getting laid before then getting wealthy won’t automatically fix that. Might help you get some broken down hag ready to commit but that’s it. Women don’t hear “senior engineer with a fully financed 401k” and get turned on, they just dont
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget
I always call BS on this statement. When I was seriously dating I could still attract half decent women anytime I wanted. For my age I'd realistically rate myself as a 6 in looks and an 8 in personality and game. Anytime I wanted I could land a 6-7 off Tinder and obviously got matches from tons of hags and hambeasts but I wouldn't bother.

These women who are 3's and getting attention from guys I highly doubt the guys are anything close to high value. They might be decent looking but are desperate and have terrible game or are train wrecks otherwise.
Those 3s are getting attention from well off men for sure, but like uglier well off men. The point is that they are dating out of her league with plenty of options
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean
And I bet those guys aren’t prizes either. And no, having money alone doesn’t make you a prize. Again that’s just going beta bucks route


If you weren’t getting laid before then getting wealthy won’t automatically fix that. Might help you get some broken down hag ready to commit but that’s it. Women don’t hear “senior engineer with a fully financed 401k” and get turned on, they just dont
Absolutely true. The amount of money required to get a woman sexually attracted is beyond the reach of most men.

Women will reject you for being broke but having a good job won't really make much of a difference if you're otherwise low value
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean
Always listen to people with experience vs without



I’d rate myself a 7.5 at best , and when single literally would sit on 1k+ matches on hinge, and was always dating 3-4 girls at any one time. And I’m nothing special - actually was a virgin until 21 (late bloomer)

Howd i become a late bloomer? By putting the work in.

For every girl that you think is a 3 that has guys chasing them, there are plenty of attractive girls you see and think “they are dating that dude???”. I’m not saying there isn’t truth to OPs article. I know firsthand what it takes to succeed in apps and have seen other friends fail. But it is way more accessible than you think. Just takes an oppenness to fail, learn from it, and try again.


Most guys are just 100% clueless with what women want. I know I was at one time
women take aholisticapprove to male attractiveness, in that they consider a whole bunch of chit like looks, social/ dominance status, wealth, intelligence, humor etc

meaning if you're lacking in one (looks for example) you can compensate in others (social/dominance status and humor for instance) and be perfectly adept and banging hot sloots.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So instead of poor 3/10 men, they go for well off 3/10 men.

I don't understand what you're complaining about.

Or maybe I do, you want an 8/10 model to be forced to be with your 2/10 sorry self who is not even well off.
I'm not complaining, I'm trying to explain that even 3/10 have so many options that most men cannot even get one of them even if they are on their level
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
meaning if you're lacking in one (looks for example) you can compensate in others (social/dominance status and humor for instance) and be perfectly adept and banging hot sloots.
This is a huge myth. You need to meet a minimum standard in each area. For an extreme example just to make the point, you could have all the money in the world and everything else but if you're a legit midget most women will not care

The minimum standard in each of these areas is going up.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So these 3/10 are all in relationships with who exactly?
Many are not in relationships, they're banging guys out of their league and trying to get one to committ. While ignoring the guys who would commit to them
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
women take aholisticapprove to male attractiveness, in that they consider a whole bunch of chit like looks, social/ dominance status, wealth, intelligence, humor etc

meaning if you're lacking in one (looks for example) you can compensate in others (social/dominance status and humor for instance) and be perfectly adept and banging hot sloots.
This is what I always tell guys. Looks will be what gets you the match to a girl of a similar look level. Personality and game get you the date. Confidence and attitude gets you laid.

Lots of guys have none of these qualities.
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