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Thread: MIT Study: Vaccine Hesitancy Is 'Highly Informed and Scientifically Literate'.

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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Yes, I thought experiments should be reproducible as well but when you're performing an expensive experiment, you can bar anyone from reproducing it.

Its interesting because the same arguments against open source software are the same arguments against the scientific peer review process.

Resources often guide the integrity of the process.
It is very difficult, often, to reproduce tests hence large universities often compare their studies. STEM studies and papers are much more valid than say liberal arts papers which aren't actual studies. That doesn't mean people aren't corrupt.

https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joe...5593bf103fb959

This podcast exposes ****ty people being ****ty and wasteful by attempting to generate 'woke' bull**** as real science.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...portland-state

Effectively understanding where the research paper "came from" (meaning who vetted it) is extremely important.

Anything coming out of Portland State is effectively understood as false unless it can be proven by several other colleges.
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Originally Posted By kovalchuk71⏩
Interdasting….



https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...cated-n1462591
I know all about the "vaccine" from working with AIDs patients in psychology and that was like 20 years ago.

I also read voraciously about corona, masks, drugs, etc when corona hit because if it was going to be deadly, I wanted to have a plan. Meanwhile, the average f@cking retard couldn't even google info about any of it and were wearing underwear on their head and knitting masks.....WTF.

I ALREADY knew about the fake vaccine, however, I read more just to see if anything changed.

I also looked up side effects of HIV drugs and they are EXACTLY the same as the fake vaccine.

I am not taking that sh!t under any circumstances.
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Originally Posted By RICHSTRONG⏩
I like how libs turn everyone who is Anti(THIS)Vax into everyone being just AntiVax conspiratards. This coming from someone who took the vax and listens to libs daily talk schit on those who didnt.
thats their tactic they do this so people will group everyone who questions this vaccine as antivaxxer or morons who are anti science.

Most people even college educated are prejudice like this, they dont even question everything or say let me see for myself they just take cnn word for it.
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Originally Posted By ChrisLS8⏩
You are absolutely incorrect. Frankly people like you lefties automatically label anyone who isn't a vaccine proponent as a crazy conspiracy theorist to try and invalidate their opinion as lunacy.

There is a big difference as a skeptic who doesn't see the need for a vaccine or doesn't view it as completely safe from a risk/reward perspective and the loony tunes that think they are putting viral vectors or microchips in them.

I have zero plans to get the vaccine for example, I don't feel I need it and I don't trust the lack of long term data.

I don't think you read the whole article and if you did it went over your head.
You're objectively wrong. I'm not saying you're a nut as a result, but you're wrong.
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Risk/reward just isn't there for most healthy young people
That's objectively wrong. Maybe true for young people who have already gotten the virus (confirmed infection, not just speculation), but they are a minority.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
brb executing everyone that disagrees with the results from a corporately funded study on whether or not product (A) causes cancer

the "peer review" process is not only susceptible to corruption, it down right invites it. Academia often boards professors who get the most funding from industry....
Lmao. Yeah, could you imagine if all pregnant women 75 years ago were “forced at gunpoint” to take thalidomide?
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
It is very difficult, often, to reproduce tests hence large universities often compare their studies. STEM studies and papers are much more valid than say liberal arts papers which aren't actual studies. That doesn't mean people aren't corrupt.

https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joe...5593bf103fb959

This podcast exposes ****ty people being ****ty and wasteful by attempting to generate 'woke' bull**** as real science.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...portland-state

Effectively understanding where the research paper "came from" (meaning who vetted it) is extremely important.

Anything coming out of Portland State is effectively understood as false unless it can be proven by several other colleges.
I live in Portland, and PSU's department outside of STEM is literally insane. Like actually insane. You guys think I'm a commie, you should see some of these people. Jesus Christ.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I live in Portland, and PSU's department outside of STEM is literally insane. Like actually insane. You guys think I'm a commie, you should see some of these people. Jesus Christ.
LOL.

You are a communist. You just understand there are fanatical communists, Wincel.
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Originally Posted By imbored205⏩
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
LOL.

You are a communist. You just understand there are fanatical communists, Wincel.
I am not even remotely communist. You have no idea.
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Originally Posted By riley444⏩
This is real.

It made me realize that I was wrong to be positive about humanity.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
You're not anything, you're erratic and refuse to explain your position for fear of critique.
I've written thousands of essays detailing my current views on this board. Are you kidding me?
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
oh damn I probably skipped them. my bad.

I only read as far as "people must agree with my brand of science or we should shoot them"
Then you understand my view well.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Then you understand my view well.
\https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
\https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you
Good phrase. I use it all the time.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Good phrase. I use it all the time.
I'm sure you do.
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Well yeah of course it's a rational thought to have questions about a completely unproven and rushed vaccine. The concerns about specialized and long term effects are definitely valid. Basically since they're using the rollout as the clinical trials, the longer the vaccinated population sees the impact, the lesser or more focused those concerns should become.

Demeaning anyone for not getting the vaccine is completely idiotic.
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Pretty sure the state of South Dakota caught it, or at the very least hit herd immunity.

Also, the elderly / vulnerable population got the vaccine first.

I had COVID in October 2020 and believe in the science of antibodies.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
The fact is there is a pandemic and waiting 5 years for "long term" trials just won't cut it.And then you'll whine it wasn't a 20 year trial. And then in 20 years, you'll whine about something else. You aren't an idiot because you're taking an antivaxxer stance. You were an idiot before this stance, and you always will be an idiot after.
Sorry wincel, but coming from mr. "ivermectin is a non-FDA approved fringe treatment because we don't have a double blind gold standard study" this is just too rich.

vaccine with unknown health effects = justified due to urgency

pill with decades of safe usage = nope, need more data, not enough studies, studies aren't good enough
Originally Posted By tk217⏩
I hear one liberal constantly jabbering away about it - though I believe vaccines are essential - this lib is ignorant about the vaccine and has no idea how it works just wants Biden's dick.



I can respect someone who knows and understand potential risks.

The selfish concept of - I am 30, healthy, have no genetic issues, and know that if I get the vaccine I might feel bad for 1 or 2 days and would rather avoid that 1 or 2 days and be a potential carrier and potentially kill others and show no symptoms; therefore, I'm totally cool with not being vaccinated - is just that selfish - the .001% you're talking about.I have virtually no-likelihood of getting Hep A or B. I was still vaccinated.

The conspiracy retard who believes an MRNA vaccine will neutralize their sperm or have them grow gills is just that - a conspiracy retard.
False. There is potentially more on the line than just a bad day and a sore arm.
Krissy considers herself someone who is “very pro-vaxx.” With her 3-year-old daughter, she followed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s childhood vaccination schedule, and she was “excited” to get vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as she was eligible.

Krissy, 37, who lives in the Atlanta-area and asked for her last name to be withheld for privacy, said she had no side effects after her first Moderna dose. But two days after her second dose she got her period — and after that period ended, she got another eight days later. This cycle continued for a few weeks, at which point she went to her gynecologist for advice. After a course of oral progesterone failed to restart her regular menstrual cycle, she went back to her doctor, who told her that it seemed like she had stopped ovulating.

She hadn’t planned on having any more children, but now is worried that the choice may have been made for her. Krissy is concerned that the vaccine is to blame, and what this might mean for her daughter’s fertility should she get vaccinated when she becomes eligible in the coming months.
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/saf...s-her-daughter

There was a recent hit piece targeting the vaccine hesitant in the NYT. Talked about AR and their low rate of vaccination. Said only 40% of healthcare workers in the state had been vaccinated. Spoke with a female nurse who refused the vax- her reasoning was she didn't want to risk losing her fertility.

Who has a front row seat to hear accounts from a large number of people that have had the vaccine?

Health care workers.
Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I know all about the "vaccine" from working with AIDs patients in psychology and that was like 20 years ago.

I also read voraciously about corona, masks, drugs, etc when corona hit because if it was going to be deadly, I wanted to have a plan. Meanwhile, the average f@cking retard couldn't even google info about any of it and were wearing underwear on their head and knitting masks.....WTF.

I ALREADY knew about the fake vaccine, however, I read more just to see if anything changed.

I also looked up side effects of HIV drugs and they are EXACTLY the same as the fake vaccine.

I am not taking that sh!t under any circumstances.
Well many of the negative effects being reported from the vaccine seem similar to effects of having the actual virus.

And reportedly [unsubstantiated] the work being done at Wuhan re:gain of function was being done to develop a vaccine against HIV.

I had read a long detailed interview, but now I can't seem to locate it in my history.

ETA: Found an old news item.
London: French Nobel prize winning scientist Luc Montagnier has sparked a fresh controversy by claiming that the SARS-CoV-2 virus came from a lab, and is the result of an attempt to manufacture a vaccine against the AIDS virus.

In an interview given to French CNews channel and during a podcast by Pourquoi Docteur, professor Montagnier who co-discovered HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) claimed the presence of elements of HIV in the genome of the coronavirus and even elements of the "germ of malaria" are highly suspect, according to a report in Asia Times.

The Wuhan city laboratory has specialized in these coronaviruses since the early 2000s. They have expertise in this area,' he told a French news channel
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
False. There is potentially more on the line than just a bad day and a sore arm.

Explain further.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Sorry wincel, but coming from mr. "ivermectin is a non-FDA approved fringe treatment because we don't have a double blind gold standard study" this is just too rich.

vaccine with unknown health effects = justified due to urgency

pill with decades of safe usage = nope, need more data, not enough studies, studies aren't good enough



False. There is potentially more on the line than just a bad day and a sore arm.



https://www.modernhealthcare.com/saf...s-her-daughter

There was a recent hit piece targeting the vaccine hesitant in the NYT. Talked about AR and their low rate of vaccination. Said only 40% of healthcare workers in the state had been vaccinated. Spoke with a female nurse who refused the vax- her reasoning was she didn't want to risk losing her fertility.

Who has a front row seat to hear accounts from a large number of people that have had the vaccine?

Health care workers.



Well many of the negative effects being reported from the vaccine seem similar to effects of having the actual virus.

And reportedly [unsubstantiated] the work being done at Wuhan re:gain of function was being done to develop a vaccine against HIV.

I had read a long detailed interview, but now I can't seem to locate it in my history.
We have actual evidence the vaccines work. Ivermectin is most likely snake oil for covid. You've been had. Congratulations.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Tell you what. Go get some education in molecular biology and immunology, and I'll take your pov srsly.

And as far as the study, it is showing exactly what I have said all along -- that rational argument and data does not suffice to convince stupid people. Instead, science must be defended at gunpoint, and the stupid people have to be forced to comply. The opposition has to be eradicated. Sooner or later, it's going to happen because any group of people who willingly reject science and math are not capable of reason. And I'm not sorry if it isn't PC or kind to say it. Get educated or get the fuk out of the way. Thanks.



The current thinking in the medical and scientific community is mandates and censorship might be appropriate. Expect great things, motherfker. America is going to bring the fking hammer down on the propaganda machine.
By "medical and scientific community" you mean "the state sanctioned and appointed academics cosplaying as medical professionals" and by "bring the fking hammer down on the propaganda" you mean bring the hammer down on the button that turns propaganda up to 11.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Tell you what. Go get some education in molecular biology and immunology, and I'll take your pov srsly.

And as far as the study, it is showing exactly what I have said all along -- that rational argument and data does not suffice to convince stupid people. Instead, science must be defended at gunpoint, and the stupid people have to be forced to comply. The opposition has to be eradicated. Sooner or later, it's going to happen because any group of people who willingly reject science and math are not capable of reason. And I'm not sorry if it isn't PC or kind to say it. Get educated or get the fuk out of the way. Thanks.



The current thinking in the medical and scientific community is mandates and censorship might be appropriate.Expect great things, motherfker. America is going to bring the fking hammer down on the propaganda machine.
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Originally Posted By rgnx⏩
Inb4 basement dwelling armchair scientist incel knows more than MIT
Interesting, MIT is saying what I've thought all along.

I don't think the vaccines are poison/deadly, just that they are untested and we don't know. Some people might want to get vaccinated, many others don't need it.

It's a simple risk assessment, really. We know how dangerous a threat covid is. For anyone where that threat is basically non-existent, which is more than a few, there just isn't a compelling reason to take an improperly tested vaccine knowing that vaccines require testing and animal studies and often work out poorly. That's why we test them for fuks sake.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Explain further.
There hasn't been any high quality data confirming that the vaccines are creating damage that appears to resemble damage from the virus. Or at least not anything that has been published/released to the public.

OTOH there appears to be a significant amount of anecdotal accounts. FB had a post-vaccine group with 120K members that was increasing by 10K members a week before the social media company deleted it.

Maybe many of the issues people were posting about were coincidental. Maybe some were fake, or just hypochondriacs. Maybe some were politically motivated.

120K people is still a lot of people.

VAERs reporting for these vaccines is showing a much higher incidence of severe adverse effects and deaths for these vaccines than for traditional vaccines. I've heard allegations that the process of collecting and interpreting the data coming in is FUBAR compared to what would be done in a normal trial with sufficient oversight. Also that there is no Human Ethics Committee for these vaccines and that the normal risk mitigation measures are not being followed.

A man who should know a little something about it, Dr. Robert Malone, one of the original inventors of mrna gene therapy for vaccination, has stated that the possibility that the spike protein which was meant to stay trapped inside cell membranes in a localized area is in fact circulating through the body. He is pro-mrna vaccines and said that he thought this specific vaccine may be flawed because they began dispensing it based on bench data vs. extensive trials in animals and then in humans.

I think the adverse events was up to 400K now?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
There hasn't been any high quality data confirming that the vaccines are creating damage that appears to resemble damage from the virus. Or at least not anything that has been published/released to the public.

OTOH there appears to be a significant amount of anecdotal accounts. FB had a post-vaccine group with 120K members that was increasing by 10K members a week before the social media company deleted it.

Maybe many of the issues people were posting about were coincidental. Maybe some were fake, or just hypochondriacs. Maybe some were politically motivated.

120K people is still a lot of people.

VAERs reporting for these vaccines is showing a much higher incidence of severe adverse effects and deaths for these vaccines than for traditional vaccines. I've heard allegations that the process of collecting and interpreting the data coming in is FUBAR compared to what would be done in a normal trial with sufficient oversight. Also that there is no Human Ethics Committee for these vaccines and that the normal risk mitigation measures are not being followed.

A man who should know a little something about it, Dr. Robert Malone, one of the original inventors of mrna gene therapy for vaccination, has stated that the possibility that the spike protein which was meant to stay trapped inside cell membranes in a localized area is in fact circulating through the body. He is pro-mrna vaccines and said that he thought this specific vaccine may be flawed because they began dispensing it based on bench data vs. extensive trials in animals and then in humans.

I think the adverse events was up to 400K now?
That man has not published his work. He has not presented any evidence to support his claim. He went to the media before publishing his work. That is not what a scientist does. There is no evidence the spike protein accumulates.

Also 400k adverse events? Link.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
That man has not published his work. He has not presented any evidence to support his claim. He went to the media before publishing his work. That is not what a scientist does. There is no evidence the spike protein accumulates.

Also 400k adverse events? Link.
Also on Friday,the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) says there are 438,440 vaccine injury reports through July 7, 2021, as well as the Myocarditis Reports for ages under 20.Of these reports, there have been 9,048 deaths, 26,818 hospitalizations, 56,970 urgent care visits, 3,324 heart attacks, 985 miscarriages, 19,105 allergic reactions, as well as many other adverse health events:

https://californiaglobe.com/fr/cdc-v...dverse-events/
However, as of today,the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) contains reports of 9,048 deaths, 7,463 persons disabled, and 26,818 hospitalizations.

The more user-friendlyBritish Yellow Card System contains reports of 40 cases of GBS with two deaths, and 43,738 “nervous system disorders” with 43 deaths for the Pfizer product.For Moderna, there was only one nonfatal case of GBS listed and 3,331 “nervous system disorders” with two deaths.

Some would like to punish those who decide that for them, the risk of the jab exceeds the benefit. Dr. Leana Wen of CNN, former head of Planned Parenthood, wants to make the choice of being unvaccinated hard and unduly burdensome. This is presumably to protect the public from catching the virus from an unvaccinated person. However, Moderna and Pfizer vaccine trials “have explicitly acknowledged that their gene therapy technology has no impact on viral infection or transmission whatsoever and merely conveys to the recipient the capacity to produce an S1 spike protein.”
Nearly 7,500 reported disabled post vaccination. Don't believe I've seen that called out much.

https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-shou...-a-difference/
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
There hasn't been any high quality data confirming that the vaccines are creating damage that appears to resemble damage from the virus. Or at least not anything that has been published/released to the public.

OTOH there appears to be a significant amount of anecdotal accounts. FB had a post-vaccine group with 120K members that was increasing by 10K members a week before the social media company deleted it.

Maybe many of the issues people were posting about were coincidental. Maybe some were fake, or just hypochondriacs. Maybe some were politically motivated.

120K people is still a lot of people.

VAERs reporting for these vaccines is showing a much higher incidence of severe adverse effects and deaths for these vaccines than for traditional vaccines. I've heard allegations that the process of collecting and interpreting the data coming in is FUBAR compared to what would be done in a normal trial with sufficient oversight. Also that there is no Human Ethics Committee for these vaccines and that the normal risk mitigation measures are not being followed.

A man who should know a little something about it, Dr. Robert Malone, one of the original inventors of mrna gene therapy for vaccination, has stated that the possibility that the spike protein which was meant to stay trapped inside cell membranes in a localized area is in fact circulating through the body. He is pro-mrna vaccines and said that he thought this specific vaccine may be flawed because they began dispensing it based on bench data vs. extensive trials in animals and then in humans.

I think the adverse events was up to 400K now?
120K of what? deaths?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
https://californiaglobe.com/fr/cdc-v...dverse-events/



Nearly 7,500 reported disabled post vaccination. Don't believe I've seen that called out much.

https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-shou...-a-difference/
And what is the baseline rate of these conditions in the population? IE how many would you expect to see if the vaccine were a placebo? Also how many vaccines have been administered so we can get a gauge for how bad these events are?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Some of those numbers seem a bit off from what the CDC reports as well.

You can see the risk there.
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