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Thread: Omicron 5 times more likely to reinfect than Delta; no less severe

post 1652814813 12-19-2021, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
Currently under peer review

https://researchnews.cc/news/10606/H...s#.Yb-Dg2hKjIW
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‘It is important to note that the severity of disease in humans is not determined only by virus replication but also by the host immune response to the infection, which may lead to dysregulation of the innate immune system, i.e. “cytokine storm”,’ said Dr Chan. ‘It is also noted that, by infecting many more people, a very infectious virus may cause more severe disease and death even though the virus itself may be less pathogenic.

Therefore, taken together with our recent studies showing that the Omicron variant can partially escape immunity from vaccines and past infection, the overall threat from Omicron variant is likely to be very significant.’
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Me assuming I have omicron is based on:

1) I had a rapid antigen test for covid and was positive
2) ontario is seeing a spike of 3000 cases per day they are attributing to omicron
3) I had mild symptoms

Regardless whatever I have is very mild and I can’t believe I’ve been told to self isolate when I feel completely fine right now and any symptoms from whatever I did have are gone.
I think those recommendations are because others may not have your ability to fight it off.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The tables aren't showing up for you?

Try the link again, they show up for me.



Those tables show that reinfection is rare, but that it is currently 5.4x as likely to come from Omicron. Also, 40% of cases are assymotomatic.

Less than 0.5% are hospitalized.
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Originally Posted By Darkius⏩
Those tables show that reinfection is rare, but that it is currently 5.4x as likely to come from Omicron. Also, 40% of cases are assymotomatic.

Less than 0.5% are hospitalized.
I see. So the authors conclusion that reinfection with Omicron is 5.4x more likely than reinfection with Delta for someone who was previously infected with Alpha or Delta is incorrect?
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Totally agree

I have covid right now and feel better than ever

Yet I’m sitting in my condo isolating for the next 10-14 days and possibly not going home for Christmas

It’s a joke
I have a cold that sounds like your symptoms, except throat is not scratchy, just funky.

I will not get tested. No need for that counting as a preexisting condition later.


Sounds like it is ok for me to go to the gym then.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I find it odd how rapidly discussion shifts away from the topic. This study isn't about mandates, masks, lockdowns, or any other political actions. It's just a comparison of Omicron and Delta based on recent data.

I don't see why posting a study published a couple of days ago incites name calling and posts that have nothing to do with the topic.
You must be new to this forum. People here start new threads all the time just calling out other members.
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Selection pressures on viruses cause them to become more infectious and cause fewer symptoms over time. The concept of a virus becoming somehow more dangerous does not make sense. Dangerous viruses cause the host to move around less and do not reproduce themselves as well as benign ones.

Omicron will infect everybody with a very mild infection and give them immunity to covid-19. It is nature's vaccine.
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
Selection pressures on viruses cause them to become more infectious and cause fewer symptoms over time. The concept of a virus becoming somehow more dangerous does not make sense. Dangerous viruses cause the host to move around less and do not reproduce themselves as well as benign ones.

Omicron will infect everybody with a very mild infection and give them immunity to covid-19. It is nature's vaccine.
So your recommendation is for people to seek infection with Omicron in order to acquire immunity?
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As of Dec 11th, omicron killed 0 people. According to other sources, it MAY have killed 1-3 people. A majority of the 43 cases at that time were in fully vaccinated.

I'm also starting to realize why they want to keep adding boosters. Each time someone is given a booster, it buys them an additional 14 days of being "unvaccinated". If anyone is missing any of the boosters, then they are considered unvaxxed. The idea is to create as much control and statistical problems as possible to keep the narrative going and to make it seem like vaccinated individuals aren't the problem.

This is chaos in the data. This is evil. It's the never ending mechanisms for permanent control and conditioning. If they can make this last just one generation, then the next generation will be conditioned to comply to tyranny...
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
As of Dec 11th, omicron killed 0 people. According to other sources, it MAY have killed 1-3 people. A majority of the 43 cases at that time were in fully vaccinated.

I'm also starting to realize why they want to keep adding boosters. Each time someone is given a booster, it buys them an additional 14 days of being "unvaccinated". If anyone is missing any of the boosters, then they are considered unvaxxed. The idea is to create as much control and statistical problems as possible to keep the narrative going and to make it seem like vaccinated individuals aren't the problem.

This is chaos in the data. This is evil. It's the never ending mechanisms for permanent control and conditioning. If they can make this last just one generation, then the next generation will be conditioned to comply to tyranny...
Can you share those links?
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
lol @ Neil Ferguson,

that dude has literally been wrong about everything when it comes to covid-19
This. It's propaganda.

https://www.aier.org/article/imperia...models-failed/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/u...ntl/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ying-home.html


Obviously they rehired the Neil to do another round of propaganda.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I see. So the authors conclusion that reinfection with Omicron is 5.4x more likely than reinfection with Delta for someone who was previously infected with Alpha or Delta is incorrect?
It’s way too early to tell, but please don’t let me keep you from fapping furiously to your fear porn. Why do you just assume he is correct? Also, based on all known coronaviruses that infect humans we should expect to see natural immunity for years, so it’s extremely likely that the virus will continue to get less harmful over time(just lol at thinking that isn’t the case with omicron) and that immunity after infection will last for many many years. Actually, I’d say that if that isn’t the case the most likely culprit would be the injection since we’ve never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus and never successfully developed an mRNA vaccine.




SARS-CoV-2 belongs to a large family of coronaviruses, six of which were previously known to infect humans. Four of them are responsible for the common cold. The other two are more dangerous: SARS-CoV-1, the virus responsible for the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which ended in 2004; and MERS-CoV, the virus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), first identified in Saudi Arabia in 2012.

All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/0...inst-covid-19/




Testing for antibodies and assuming you have a complete picture of immunity is flawed.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I have omicron right now

Every report I’ve read and every person I’ve talked to who has gotten it says it’s like a cold

I can confirm except it’s probably more like an extremely extremely mild cold

Like id say for me it’s about 1/4 as bad as a common cold
Sounds like Russian Mis-information.. where do i report this poster?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you share those links?
The narrative has changed with Omicron. Now it's "Omicron will overhelm poor countries' healthcare systems" and "It's highly contagious". There is never a mention of actual severity (with scientific and objective findings) and never a death count. If you want info directly from WHO, you have to download their data and research.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...-zero-n2600477
On Dec. 10, the World Health Organization told us no omicron cases reported up to that date had resulted in death, but "it is still early in the clinical course of disease and this may change."
The article's title actually changed later too...
Total Number of Confirmed Omicron Deaths So Far: Zero? (Update: One Death, 'With' Omicron?)
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s way too early to tell, but please don’t let me keep you from fapping furiously to your fear porn. Why do you just assume he is correct? Also, based on all known coronaviruses that infect humans we should expect to see natural immunity for years, so it’s extremely likely that the virus will continue to get less harmful over time(just lol at thinking that isn’t the case with omicron) and that immunity after infection will last for many many years. Actually, I’d say that if that isn’t the case the most likely culprit would be the injection since we’ve never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus and never successfully developed an mRNA vaccine.
So your main objection is that you don't like the conclusion?
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/0...inst-covid-19/
Of course cell-mediated immunity matters. Is your position that only infection confers cell-mediated immunity?
Testing for antibodies and assuming you have a complete picture of immunity is flawed.
The study did not use antibody testing.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The narrative has changed with Omicron. Now it's "Omicron will overhelm poor countries' healthcare systems" and "It's highly contagious". There is never a mention of actual severity (with scientific and objective findings) and never a death count. If you want info directly from WHO, you have to download their data and research.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...-zero-n2600477



The article's title actually changed later too...


The Tweets don't provide links to the source material.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So your main objection is that you don't like the conclusion?
My main objection is that it is blatant fearporn and people like you get off to it and try to pass it along to spread to others.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
My main objection is that it is blatant fearporn and people like you get off to it and try to pass it along to spread to others.
So your objection(s) aren't related to the data, methods, or analyses?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The Tweets don't provide links to the source material.
You could stand to do some work too. Go to the WHO website and download their data and see it for yourself. I’m guessing you wont because you don’t want the answer.

I also like how you disregard reports quoting WHO directly.

Stop being naive. You’re doing yourself and the world a great disservice just so you can be right.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
You could stand to do some work too. Go to the WHO website and download their data and see it for yourself. I’m guessing you wont because you don’t want the answer.

I also like how you disregard reports quoting WHO directly.

Stop being naive. You’re doing yourself and the world a great disservice just so you can be right.
It's just that providing support of a claim is on the claimant.

The burden of proof isn't on others to determine whether or not your opinion is supported by evidence.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So your objection(s) aren't related to the data, methods, or analyses?
I didn’t feel like wasting any time since it’s so obvious…but since you asked it took all of about 5 minutes.
We used conditional Poisson regression (12) topredictreinfection status, evaluating the hazard ratio for reinfection associated with Omicron versus Delta cases, with strata defined by the interaction of vaccine status, 10-year age-band, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date.
https://bmcmedresmethodol.biomedcent...71-2288-14-122



By applying to some real data andusing simulations, we demonstrate that conditional Poisson models were simpler to code and shorter to run than are conditional logistic analyses and can be fitted to larger data sets than possible with standard Poisson models.



Cherry pick data

Design simulation to tell you what you want

Use simulation to predict something is true

Tell people it’s true

Watch people like J.L.C Cal to your fearporn

?????

Profit
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So your recommendation is for people to seek infection with Omicron in order to acquire immunity?
This reply is why nobody will take you seriously. He said nothing like that. No one should ‘seek’ it but it’s safe to assume everyone will get it at some point whether they’re symptomatic or not. Quit being such a fear monger and trying to push a shot that you nor most of us really know anything about past what we read from sources that range from all over the spectrum. Shilling for these lunatics better pay well because if you’re doing this for free you should take a long look in the mirror.
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72% vaccinated in the country. I recall experts saying breaking 70% was what was needed to get back to normal after 2 weeks to flatten the curve.

So clearly the vaccines aren't working or MSM is hyping this up for ad revenue. So which is it?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I didn’t feel like wasting any time since it’s so obvious…but since you asked it took all of about 5 minutes.









https://bmcmedresmethodol.biomedcent...71-2288-14-122



By applying to some real data andusing simulations, we demonstrate that conditional Poisson models were simpler to code and shorter to run than are conditional logistic analyses and can be fitted to larger data sets than possible with standard Poisson models.



Cherry pick data

Design simulation to tell you what you want

Use simulation to predict something is true

Tell people it’s true

Watch people like J.L.C Cal to your fearporn

?????

Profit
That's how regression models work.

What would suggest in place of regression?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's how regression models work.

What would suggest in place of regression?
That explains why they’ve been so wrong over the past two years, but it doesn’t explain why people like you still believe them.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
That explains why they’ve been so wrong over the past two years, but it doesn’t explain why people like you still believe them.
What would you recommend for count data over poisson regression?
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