It is like when the clowns say Serena is not a female; anyone with a little hormone knowledge can see her body is muscular but natty.

looks old and unhealthy.

Is that skin the result of years of steroid use?

this, i thought it was gonna be gordon taking pics during pizza night at planet fitness, where they actually serve pizza once a month

there are varying amounts of steroids that a person can take. my point is that even a female is capable of becoming bigger than a typical juiced up guy, as long as she takes enough steroids. it has nothing to do with "hard work". that is laughable.

You look fantastic for any age, especially 50.

I’m skeptical if I’m supposed to believe these results come from lifting only at 4 days a week. Seems like you’re hiding something

No cholesterol meds.
The weird thing is I have significant heart disease on both sides of my family. My dad and uncle have heart issues. Multiple heart attacks, meds since 30's. I remember when I was young my dad had to try to eat a special diet..etc. My grantfather had multiple heart attacks, bypass and died from heat issues. On other side of fam, all on med.

My lipids have always been good. What sucks is I did not start regular physicals until my mid 30's so I dont know what it was like when I was not taking care of myself and was overweight.
What is CRAZY is my lipids and profile have only gotten better since fasting was introduced 4 years ago. And then this past year I do 3 20-22hr fasts. Over that time, I started to eat foods I never would have allowed myself. My wife has a sweet tooth and so do the kids. I started eating regularly processed foods like cookies, chips, snack foods. I do time them post workout mostly, but I was thinking this past year my doc was going to see some bad blood work. Didnt happen. My lipids actually improved! So fasting has some other effects beyond the obvious. Currently eat about 2 tubs of icecream a week. (again this is part of my post workout carb allocations). Put I eat plenty of 'fun' food.

For example, my lunch on Fri which is my pizza day, took my wife to one of our favorite lunch places and had fish fry and their nachos are GREAT. My wife and I split an order of nachos for an app and then we both get the fish fry. My wife and I both eat like this. She has always stayed in shape and looks better than most 25 year olds in a bikini still at 48 and having two kids. She always just knew how to balance. Took me years to figure out. I counted macros for many years and tracked everything. It was not till I started IF that I could balance my desires to eat and maintain decent composition. I knew how to eat, but left on it's own, my appetite would have me weighing 230 pretty quickly. That is what fasting does for me.







Kimm as always, thank you and much respect. I was talking to my wife and asking her 'why the hell am I still doing this?'. I wonder what in my life I would do with the time and energy I invest in the gym. After getting hurt and having to give up lifting heavy, I second guessed if training was worth it. But I made a promise to myself when I was almost killed that I would never stop training. Sometimes I just have to have that blind faith that this is what I need to do. Stepping back, I believe that singular dedication makes me a more focused person in all my life. It makes me more accountable to not only my self but those around me. I have friends who dont 'get it' either. But after years of knowing me, they just know it as 'me'.

But the truth is we all start evaluating our lives. 50 is a big milestone for me. At time I dont know if I am walking my path or being dragged on it by the years of self expectations. Heavy stuff, but I am still finding my way.

I am living the most 'balanced' life I ever have. Working out is pretty far down on my list of what I think or talk about. It is just what I do. Like brushing my teeth.

However, every once in a while I have a super fun and enjoyable workout. I have that moment where I can look at myself and be happy with where I am (never satisfied). I can feel proud of the work I have put in and continue to put in. Those days are less often now, but VERY motivating.
Friday was a day like that for me. Had a little 'flex' session all by myself in my home gym. No buddies to banter back and fourth with. Just snapped a selfie, and posted to bb.com.

Appreciate the ones who offer support and even the criticism. I have a lot of time and a lot of my life invested in this pursuit. I try to share knowledge but many wont listen. It all comes down to genetics and effort. But no amount of effort can overcome mediocre genes. Combine being lucky enough to have a great training response and put in 25+ years, you build a pretty impressive physique. Natural or not. Was disappointed to hang up my nattie badge as I would have loved to see how far I could have gone with it. (strength wise). I am pretty confident that I could have hit the same levels of strength regardless. But I made the switch to wanting to look lean and that is detrimental to strength, and the more you lean, and hold lean, the worse your athletic performance will be and worse your overall strength will be. (unless you were born to be 5%). Once you lean out too far, the strength and performance will never come back to where you were are 13-15% which is where I was always the strongest. Again, pick your goals.

Ha! Knew it was coming. Lasts few pics as lifetime natty. Typical response.

Was still natty in left pic. That was 3 years after coming back to the gym. This is basicly a 10 year progress. About 6-7lbs heavier lbm but very close to same scale weight in both pics. (203ish)

2nd pic was about a year before I went on trt. At time I had test levels of a 12 year old girl but had not figured it out yet.

Last ones are leanest I ever got nattie. You can see I shed a lot of mass getting down. I was 193 and below 10% in the last two. Yes, lifetime nattie still.


And pic of me at 21 going waaay back when I was still a baby after my first 3 years of training. I put on 50lbs pretty quickly. So as you can see, I have been at this a while....

You look fantastic for any age, especially 50.

I’m skeptical if I’m supposed to believe these results come from lifting only at 4 days a week. Seems like you’re hiding something

You don't need that much training to stimulate the muscles to grow.

OP, what were your levels before? What are your measurements?

4 days a week is a lot. The best results I ever had was running a 3 day / week program. I do 4 days now just because I can break it up into typ bro split and it works good with my eating. But if it is progress you want, you have to rest. You grow OUTSIDE the gym. 3 day splits were always my ideal, but I trained very hard. These days...not so much.

My frequency has more to do with how I want to eat and how and when I can take in large amounts of carbs (read foods I enjoy). I have not made any 'progress' in years. Just staying in shape these days.




Correct. Most people work out too much. Or there are some in the gym 6 days per week, but dont know what it means to really stress their muscles. I was never a big 'volume' person. Nor was I a squat till you puke guy. But I knew how to extract everything out of myself and years of training allows you to focus your cns that your ability to contract those muscle groups is greater than a guy who is not as trained. My programs were always based upon large compound lifts. HEAVY in the 3-10 rep range.

Measurements: I never had hormones checked until my doc went looking after my head injury. Dont remember the exact amount, but they were significantly below the bottom number of the scale. I think the bottom is 200 for test, and under 5 for free test. I just remember him saying my levels were about the same as a 12 year old girl. It took 3 years to figure out what was wrong with me, but looking back I should have noticed that I has lost almost all my leg hair. I had 80 year old man legs with shiny skin and almost no hair. I guess when it happens over time you dont realize it.

Other measurments. I am 5'9 and about forgot all the rest. Have had 18+" arms forever. (even as nattie) My arms were always. I had to work hard on calves though. My quads were 25" but are smaller now. I have not really squatted in 4 years. I cant as much as I would like to. Permanent damage from a car accident. Squatting and deadlifting were my favorite things to do.

My focus was always strength. I would do weird things just for fun, like 405lb no-handed squats just to see if I could. If my back had not gotten injured I would still be deadlifting 6 plates for reps. Sadly as much as I have tried to re-hab over the last 4 years I just cant get my back to bear the weight. I have tried, only to have it go out and be out for weeks.

So I just 'stay fit'. That has been the hardest thing for me. I always love to compete with myself. Having to give up heavy training was tough. We all just do what we can do.

This was some fun stuff I would do to test out my core...etc. 2018. Cant do anything like this today. Probably still plenty strong, but my back is too unpredictable and can go into spasm even squatting light. I cant risk it. Not worth it.

Your right man, I don't and would not want to look like that. I am athletic with wide shoulders I can walk into a room and get attention. That is what women and people get attention to. That is all I really care about Taking test is the way to die, if you disagree you most likely cannot make money having a job

All the calls for pic of pizza. Sorry...here you go. Our favorite local place when I dont make my own.

Is that skin the result of years of steroid use?

there are varying amounts of steroids that a person can take. my point is that even a female is capable of becoming bigger than a typical juiced up guy, as long as she takes enough steroids. it has nothing to do with "hard work". that is laughable.

No that look has nothing to do with steroid use. The grainy/hard granite type look comes with years of lifting and age.

Are you all really this clueless?

Dumbest ****in post I read today.

Please go...

Looking great, way better than the other 2 senior citizens always arguing about who look better. ( Gordon and FLex)