It's just two, I just started the ball cream..don't wanna do needles and fuk around with all that. Everyone that does hard chit that I know of, their skin gets like a weird lizard, leathery look and they often lose their hair...have good skin and hair, not tryin to fuk either one up

IDK bro, I'm on 200 as well..probably not lifting as hard as you, but I can't imagine getting that size without bumpin up the dose quite a bit. Good for you if true.

Middle dude looks like Brian Deheney, good actor, was the Sheriff in Rambo:First Blood

How tall are you?

I think OP is 5’7-8

Didn't you post these exact pics in an older thread? I mean we get it...yeah you work out and look good for your age.

Cool bro. Have a slice of pizza with a dash of TRT.

wood give your wife a hoooooge facial after a nice full nelson anal pounding

So the pizza thing was just clickbait?

Looking like mothafukin Lou Ferringo

At 50 you probably are close to the biggest in the gym. You may have bigorexia.

Post your 4 day bro split OP

OP why must you make this exact same thread every week? No one cares that you're on TRT.

If anything you should focus on getting your GFR numbers up. Low numbers can be the beginning signs of kidney failure. I had the same issue, while I was taking the EC stack. Completely stopped the stack, and my levels went back to normal. (Ded fkn Srs)

I have said MANY times, the biggest advantage of externally controlled hormone levels is when you really want to lean out. If you are above 12-ish % it really is not a big deal. But unless you were born to be very lean, dropping into the 10% range, you start shedding mass like crazy. It messes with your head bad. The good news is it comes right back when you eat, but being sub 10% and holding mass is tough for a natty. THAT is the biggest advantage I can say that I have seen. I dont really have an issue holding mass. I have not made 'gains' in years. Pretty sad, but it is the reality of where I am in life and training. I am ok with that. I would not want to do the levels of drugs it would take for me to get bigger. I dont really know just what that would be as the few times I did dabble, they were at 'beginner' levels.

This is not far off my nattie size so I have no trouble at all maintaining this on normal hormone levels. I am sure as I age, i will start shrinking. I also cant train super heavy anymore due to an injury I cant recover from. So I just try to 'stay in shape' these days. But I only share some of this stuff because people have vast misunderstanding of what AAS is and is not. Same with REAL trt. Most always forget to include the reference of the bell curve. You cant compare your progress to another and assert the only reason there is a difference is drugs. Genetics trump all. I am pretty lucky in that dept. Would have never known it till I trained. But I gained almost 30 lbs in my first year of training and still have the giant zipper stretch marks all over. Genetics trump all. I have still have to work hard and put the time in, but there are peopel who will do better and those that will do worse. The difference is not just drugs.


Question of Ht and wt. I am 5'9 Usually between 203 and 205. At 'normal' bf, I am 215-ish. I can carry 220 with slight abs but I look more like a football player. I dont like carrying that much weight. Does not feel good on my body. 200-205 is where I feel best.
EGFR is 'estimated' by definition. I have for years consumed very high protein levels. And I break down a lot of protein so my bun, creatinine, all are high. Same doc for 10+ years. Levels always the same. Last year since we have dismissed my kidney values to diet and lifestyle. He wanted an ultrasound done. I agreed. Kidneys unremarkable. Looked perfect. Just a function of diet and lifestyle.

6'1

That can absolutely be trt if high enough doses. That stuff is legit.

Yep....taller guys have a much harder time filling out a frame. Plus you cant compare your ability to put on mass to mine. We are two different people.

I am 5'9 and lean I am low 200's. For a guy 6'1, that would be you weighing close to 240 range. Dont see many people that tall carry that kind of mass. Even nattie bulked, I could carry 225 respectfully. Bulky as fuk and no aesthetics, but my frame could carry it without looking like a fat slob.


Shorter guys are even crazier. Some of the dudes I have met over the years with the craziest physiques were 5'4 5'5...etc.

I did read the thread and can say that I am proud of your work OP.

Good luck. Been following OP 10 years and only seen him post it once.

It's pretty unique, IIRC the workout begins with a pretty standard split, so for example 4 sets of one chest move then 4 sets of one back move with a normal rep range. Then a different move for chest but this time goes to near failure for 3-4 sets, then 3-4 sets different move for back, again to near failure. Then he does 2 sets of 15 with lighter weight to pump blood into the area he just ripped up.

It's kind of a mix of Dorian Yates and Dante Trudel, program is simple and quick but far from easy if you run it right.

OP is the fukin man srs

pre-diabetic and your hematocrit is high enough that any doctor would immediately insist you come off of testosterone. Are you dumping blood?

thats not how this works ya dumb****, pituitary bleeds require an MRI to diagnose as the hormonal response is non-specific.

Looks like OP's age has accelerated significantly. Mainly the skin has thinned & lost glow compared to his older pics

Good physique however.

Mirin mass

The shoulder arms pizza routine sounds like a good friday to me!

OP mogging the misc yet again. In shape, full head of hair, skilled at his craft, wealthy, and with a hot wife.

u fakkin joocy

OP how do you explain that you managed to hold onto gains / made natty progress in the 3 year period when you needed TRT but didn’t know it?

Fuarking mirin pops! Truly inspirational.

Finally someone who can be honest, it's a breath of fresh air. I always lol @ everyone saying "jooce isn't a magic pill". Every single fokken gym I've been to in the past 15 years is full of absolutely peeled out or THICCened out brosefs who have no fkin idea what they are doing in there. Whether it's doing one set per exercise, coming to the gym and spending 10 minutes on a calf raise machine followed by light shoulder presses and then leaving or not even a hint of progressive overload.

Just lol if anyone comes out and says "it's not replacement for hard work & it's genetics". Outta here with that chit, why would anyone go on jooce by choice if it was 50/50 whether it significantly helps getting jacked to the titillations.

Why do people do this?
Have to insist they are or were natty... No one cares man ur clearly juiced. It's ok.

looks old and unhealthy.

Don't see how OP is being honest lol. He sais the OJ "helped maintaining" while at the same time admitting to basically just fukking around in the gym with no routine and looking like your stereotypical bloated up juice head. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Good for you OP, for being in shape at that age but no need to try and bullsht people. Everyone knows what steroids do, it's 2022.