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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
This is the thread I caught him plagiarizing all his Covid ideas from. The whole thread is absolutely glorious, but I think it was on page 5 when I called him out from stealing everything from Reddit.Fuark, Fraudhy blasting off again!
Oh wait that's Team Rocket.
Oh wait that's Team Rocket.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180542743
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You clearly just ignored everything I said, and then there is this:Thanks for confirming that you were in fact plagiarizing.

Originally Posted By Bodhy
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1639069253I'm still waiting for an actual argument, not paranoid and clueless accusations that anyone not buying into the conspiracy is a shill.
I can actually give you the name of a professional virologist, whom you can contact yourself to verify everything I'm saying.
Or will the next ludicrous claim be that somehow every scientist who studied it in a professional capacity is "in on it" too?
I can actually give you the name of a professional virologist, whom you can contact yourself to verify everything I'm saying.
Or will the next ludicrous claim be that somehow every scientist who studied it in a professional capacity is "in on it" too?
So you see, I mentioned there is a professional virologist (James Duehr) who could support everything I was saying. I just didn't mention him by name or show his Reddit paper since the posters here would just piss all over it.
Another one of your boogeymen evaporates, it seems. Now back to the discussion. Where did Reliance commit an argument from ignorance?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By vickissick07⏩
What did I do? You must have me confused with someone elseIt matters because idiots like yourself attacked anybody that thought this and labeled them 'conspiracy theorists..... Now that you're likely wrong tho you just want to forget about it. Not gonna happen pal.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
No worries bro. Instead, you decided to plagiarize all his ideas for over a year until I caught you red-handed copying off his paper.You clearly just ignored everything I said, and then there is this:
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1639069253
So you see, I mentioned there is a professional virologist (James Duehr) who could support everything I was saying. I just didn't mention him by name or show his Reddit paper since the posters here would just piss all over it.
Another one of your boogeymen evaporates, it seems. Now back to the discussion. Where did Reliance commit an argument from ignorance?
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1639069253
So you see, I mentioned there is a professional virologist (James Duehr) who could support everything I was saying. I just didn't mention him by name or show his Reddit paper since the posters here would just piss all over it.
Another one of your boogeymen evaporates, it seems. Now back to the discussion. Where did Reliance commit an argument from ignorance?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
That is true, you have no obligation to answer me, but your accusation that Reliance committed the argument from ignorance is BS until you can substantiate it with evidence.Thanks for gwg77 confirming the "boogeyman's" existence.
As far as your question...
But I still like my response better, as it is just a bit more eloquent:


As far as your question...
But I still like my response better, as it is just a bit more eloquent:

Seems like "I know you are, but what am I" to me.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
02-26-2023, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Let's not forget the time I caught him plagiarizing fromThe Atlantic:That is just painful to read.
Just LOL @ pseudointellectuals srs.
Just LOL @ pseudointellectuals srs.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1655024973
Absolutely brutal.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'm not seeing any plagiarism there. Where are the blocks of identical text? A single phase 'myth of sterilising immunity' isn't exactly plagiarism. You can find that phrase in literally thousands of places because sterilising immunity is well, a myth.I mean, if one is plagiarizing from The Atlantic of all places...
Just shows how low IQ one really is.
Just shows how low IQ one really is.

So it seems after the James Duehr thing wasn't all that bad since I mentioned he was a source of my info, you've changed tack somewhat but this is an even poorer boogeyman.
And in the worst case scenario, even if one was plagiarising, at least they're contributing to a discussion with good material. That's worlds better than your incessant insulting and thread ruining and sealioning. And how would you even discover posts are being plagiarised? You'd have to be running people's posts through google or plagiarism checkers and that's just frigging weird.
Don't know why you're complaining about supposed plagiarism anyway, when what you're doing is infinitely worse.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Oh wait I got another one of his plagiarisms,where he rips off paragraphsstraight from James Duehr. Everything in bold he straight plagiarized. Notice he says we need to worry about eastern-block labs, and the US-funded Kazahkstan lab. He probably stole more than that, but I stopped after that section.I mean, if one is plagiarizing from The Atlantic of all places...
Just shows how low IQ one really is.
Just shows how low IQ one really is.

Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Now look at James Duehr's paper. So don't argue, just listen. There are a wealth of scientific and other arguments against the lab release theory. I'll reiterate just one. And bear in mind I'm assuming this is the unintentional, accidental release theory with no malicious intentions.
The WIV and and Dr Zhengli-Li Shi's group are very well respected in the virology community, just as well respected as many U.S scientists.
Virologists in the West know about the group, they know about the WIV, and their facilities do not frighten them. They don't tend to view the WIV as dangerous, incompetent, risky etc. They're generally not worried about BSL4 labs which are well-equipped and well-funded, like the WIV is.
The real worry is labs in eastern-bloc countries which were once part of the USSR; these are the ones falling into disrepair, they have Ebola and plague there etc and their funding is lax. I've even heard of one in Kazahkstan funded by the US just so it doesn't let loose a dangerous pathogen. And the WIV is actually part of a committee that keeps a watchful eye on new BSL4 labs in developing countries; they're part of the people who actually decide what is safe enough for a BSL4 lab. Furthermore, the US helped train WIV researchers in safety protocols and how to work with dangerous viruses.
And if you need another argument, we would very likely know if Wuhan had the virus in its freezers; the work that the group did was funded by the NIH until recently, so that is your tax dollars actually funding the WIV's efforts to study bat viruses in the interest of the West to prepare and predict the next pandemic.
Their projects nearly always send duplicate samples to not only Chinese labs but labs in other countries, even those considered geopolitical foes of China, like Australia and Canada. This is a demonstration of scientific transparency and the fact this is done is great evidence against the idea they're hiding a secret virus somewhere.
The lab release theory would, in light of that, need to contend that they either knew a sample contained the COVID virus for biodefence work before it got sequenced, which makes no sense, or that they lied in all the papers and ran a sequence before sending it to other countries.
Which is doubly absurd, because what if a scientist from Canada or Australia sequenced it and found out their little secret? Western bodies are in close contact with Wuhan and its scientists, constantly exchanging information and gene sequences etc. Wuhan is actually under a mandate from the NIH to disclose publicly any sequences they find and they've done exactly that.
So you see, from the perspective of sensibility and reality the theory just does not stack up. And I haven't even touched on the actualscientificevidence of why it simply couldn't be cultured or passed artificially. This is why I took the time to look into this and remove it from the "China is bad" geopolitical narrative, focusing purely on the science.
The WIV and and Dr Zhengli-Li Shi's group are very well respected in the virology community, just as well respected as many U.S scientists.
Virologists in the West know about the group, they know about the WIV, and their facilities do not frighten them. They don't tend to view the WIV as dangerous, incompetent, risky etc. They're generally not worried about BSL4 labs which are well-equipped and well-funded, like the WIV is.
The real worry is labs in eastern-bloc countries which were once part of the USSR; these are the ones falling into disrepair, they have Ebola and plague there etc and their funding is lax. I've even heard of one in Kazahkstan funded by the US just so it doesn't let loose a dangerous pathogen. And the WIV is actually part of a committee that keeps a watchful eye on new BSL4 labs in developing countries; they're part of the people who actually decide what is safe enough for a BSL4 lab. Furthermore, the US helped train WIV researchers in safety protocols and how to work with dangerous viruses.
And if you need another argument, we would very likely know if Wuhan had the virus in its freezers; the work that the group did was funded by the NIH until recently, so that is your tax dollars actually funding the WIV's efforts to study bat viruses in the interest of the West to prepare and predict the next pandemic.
Their projects nearly always send duplicate samples to not only Chinese labs but labs in other countries, even those considered geopolitical foes of China, like Australia and Canada. This is a demonstration of scientific transparency and the fact this is done is great evidence against the idea they're hiding a secret virus somewhere.
The lab release theory would, in light of that, need to contend that they either knew a sample contained the COVID virus for biodefence work before it got sequenced, which makes no sense, or that they lied in all the papers and ran a sequence before sending it to other countries.
Which is doubly absurd, because what if a scientist from Canada or Australia sequenced it and found out their little secret? Western bodies are in close contact with Wuhan and its scientists, constantly exchanging information and gene sequences etc. Wuhan is actually under a mandate from the NIH to disclose publicly any sequences they find and they've done exactly that.
So you see, from the perspective of sensibility and reality the theory just does not stack up. And I haven't even touched on the actualscientificevidence of why it simply couldn't be cultured or passed artificially. This is why I took the time to look into this and remove it from the "China is bad" geopolitical narrative, focusing purely on the science.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com...mment/fqpccr1/

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Vaxcels and Gyna dink slurpers ITT after reading rebuttals:

I mean you just have to fuggin lol at this point…

I mean you just have to fuggin lol at this point…
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when people start to understand that the vaccine wasn't made for Covid, but that Covid was made for the vaccine, they'll finally get it.
Just like RealID wasn't made because of the Palestine OH, train derailment..the train derailment was made for RealID..
Just like RealID wasn't made because of the Palestine OH, train derailment..the train derailment was made for RealID..
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why do you disingenuously twist my words and fabricate evil intentions which simply aren't there? Because I'm not justifying plagiarism. I'm saying this:Interesting. So there needs to be "blocks of identical text" to be considered plagiarism?
I mean, it really sounds like you are trying to justify plagiarism.
And you're still doing it.
Now, why on earth would one try to justify plagiarising?
Just LOL.
I mean, it really sounds like you are trying to justify plagiarism.
And you're still doing it.
Now, why on earth would one try to justify plagiarising?
Just LOL.

1. I used to provide sources and articles all the time. All the time. But after the only responses were pissing all over them and immediately dismissing them because they were leftist or anti- CT, I just stopped posting the sources because it was futile.
2. The James Duehr thing is far more innocuous than the deliberately framed presentation ITT suggests. Because as my post shows, I said that one of my sources was a professional virologist, but just didn't mention Duehr by name because it was from Reddit and it would get immediately pissed on.
3. Worst case scenario, even if I did plagiarize two articles from two years ago that noone fukking cares about anymore, that's nowhere near as bad as your incessant name calling and childishness and thread ruining. At least it's furthering a discussion. So don't feign innocence here.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I am sure this fits neatly into your "just world" hypothesis.when people start to understand that the vaccine wasn't made for Covid, but that Covid was made for the vaccine, they'll finally get it.
Just like RealID wasn't made because of the Palestine OH, train derailment..the train derailment was made for RealID..
Just like RealID wasn't made because of the Palestine OH, train derailment..the train derailment was made for RealID..
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Isn't this well known?? lol
GWG just dominated this thread (and Reliance lmaoooooo).
GWG just dominated this thread (and Reliance lmaoooooo).
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
And all so very low confidence.Once again.
This.
Is all.
So very.
shocking.
This.
Is all.
So very.
shocking.
Nothing.
Burger.
02-27-2023, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
uh huh.And all so very low confidence.
Nothing.
Burger.
Nothing.
Burger.
the virus came from bat soup. its science bro!
a couple months go by.
to say it leaked from a lab is a conspiracy theory and you are a racist for suggesting it. follow the science bro!
a year goes by.
well its on our list of possible causes. but bat soup.
a year goes by.
well we think its more likely that it leaked from a lab than bat soup. but its low confidence.
a year goes by.
......
just fukking lol at you believing in bat soup.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
"They" being the US intel community. Their credibility is pretty shot, but hey, if you trust the govt...It still means they are leaning more towards lab leak over natural origins.
Stay mad, fruitcake.
Stay mad, fruitcake.
I'll wait for the actual evidence lol. I'm not sold when our intel community accuses a country we are engaged in a quasi cold war with of something bad.
You do you.
Fruitcake.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Pretty sure the scientific community always said origin unknown, but likely natty. What the press does is a separate issue. Go yell at CNN for spreading fake news.uh huh.
the virus came from bat soup. its science bro!
a couple months go by.
to say it leaked from a lab is a conspiracy theory and you are a racist for suggesting it. follow the science bro!
a year goes by.
well its on our list of possible causes. but bat soup.
a year goes by.
well we think its more likely that it leaked from a lab than bat soup. but its low confidence.
a year goes by.
......
just fukking lol at you believing in bat soup.
the virus came from bat soup. its science bro!
a couple months go by.
to say it leaked from a lab is a conspiracy theory and you are a racist for suggesting it. follow the science bro!
a year goes by.
well its on our list of possible causes. but bat soup.
a year goes by.
well we think its more likely that it leaked from a lab than bat soup. but its low confidence.
a year goes by.
......
just fukking lol at you believing in bat soup.
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And just LOL @ Bodhy.
I post up clear examples of him plagiarizing paragraphs at a time from Reddit, and he's like "oh it's not as bad as it looks, it was adeliberately framed presentationITT."
U wot m8?
Holy shіt, talk about serious mental illness.
I post up clear examples of him plagiarizing paragraphs at a time from Reddit, and he's like "oh it's not as bad as it looks, it was adeliberately framed presentationITT."
U wot m8?
Holy shіt, talk about serious mental illness.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Wot? The scientific community called you a conspiracy theorist if you said it could have been a lab leak. How are you this retarded?Pretty sure the scientific community always said origin unknown, but likely natty. What the press does is a separate issue. Go yell at CNN for spreading fake news.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext
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[QUOTE]The FBI previously came to the conclusion that the pandemic was likely the result of a lab leak[b]in 2021[/b]with “moderate confidence” and still holds to this view.[/QUOTE][img]https://media.tenor.com/0jclPTEHtc4AAAAC/50cent-bert.gif[/img]
[QUOTE]An outbreak at a seafood market in Wuhan had initially been thought to be the source of the virus, but some scientists and Chinese public-health officials now see it as an example of community spread rather than the place where the first human infection occurred, the 2021 intelligence community report said.[/QUOTE]From day 1, what makes more sense:
(A) The epicenter of a rapidly spreading novel virus just happened to be in the city home to one of only a handful of Biosafety Level 4 labs in the entirety of China, or
(B) One of the only Biosafety Level 4 labs in China leaked a rapidly spreading novel virus which was transmitted even faster due to being in the proximity of a city, and one with a dirty-ass wet market no less.
The former is an oddly specific hill to die on as though the latter implies a lab leak was intentional and the whole thing is a giant conspiracy, when the reality is that they're just as prone to accidents and human error as anything else.
Or they're a bunch of bat racists.
[QUOTE]China, which has placed limits on investigations by the World Health Organization, has disputed that the virus could have leaked from one of its labs and has suggested it emerged outside China.[/QUOTE]the same World Health Organization that Biden just handed the entire country over to in the event of another pandemic. The ones who gave[i]China[/i]a year to [i]definitely not clean up any evidence of a lab leak[/url].
[QUOTE=TallTigerTwo post_id=1677997043]Vaxcels and Gyna dink slurpers ITT after reading rebuttals:
[img]https://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/what-difference-does-it-make-hillary.jpg[/img]
I mean you just have to fuggin lol at this point…[/QUOTE]To them?
Probably the same difference as dying from COVID and dying from a car crash while being tested positive for COVID.
[QUOTE]An outbreak at a seafood market in Wuhan had initially been thought to be the source of the virus, but some scientists and Chinese public-health officials now see it as an example of community spread rather than the place where the first human infection occurred, the 2021 intelligence community report said.[/QUOTE]From day 1, what makes more sense:
(A) The epicenter of a rapidly spreading novel virus just happened to be in the city home to one of only a handful of Biosafety Level 4 labs in the entirety of China, or
(B) One of the only Biosafety Level 4 labs in China leaked a rapidly spreading novel virus which was transmitted even faster due to being in the proximity of a city, and one with a dirty-ass wet market no less.
The former is an oddly specific hill to die on as though the latter implies a lab leak was intentional and the whole thing is a giant conspiracy, when the reality is that they're just as prone to accidents and human error as anything else.
Or they're a bunch of bat racists.
[QUOTE]China, which has placed limits on investigations by the World Health Organization, has disputed that the virus could have leaked from one of its labs and has suggested it emerged outside China.[/QUOTE]the same World Health Organization that Biden just handed the entire country over to in the event of another pandemic. The ones who gave[i]China[/i]a year to [i]definitely not clean up any evidence of a lab leak[/url].
[QUOTE=TallTigerTwo post_id=1677997043]Vaxcels and Gyna dink slurpers ITT after reading rebuttals:
[img]https://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/what-difference-does-it-make-hillary.jpg[/img]
I mean you just have to fuggin lol at this point…[/QUOTE]To them?
Probably the same difference as dying from COVID and dying from a car crash while being tested positive for COVID.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
That's a letter praising the efforts of medical professionals in China. What does that have to do with this?Wot? The scientific community called you a conspiracy theorist if you said it could have been a lab leak. How are you this retarded?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext
It's still consensus that the virus likely has a natural origin. It is still a conspiracy theory that it doesn't even if it may be possibly true. And the US intel community has still not yet released this "low confidence evidence" they claim to have.
Like I said, I will wait for actual evidence.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You can look at the arguments put forth in Worobey's paper as well as phylogenetic research on bats in Laos. It's all easily available to anyone with internet access. Go look at any leading virologist's comments on the origins of covid. Note Dr. Ebright and Dr. Chan are actually not virologists, interestingly enough.Reference the evidence that it is of natural origin please.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Yea I'm not interested in being sealioned. Good luck with your crusade.So no reference to the evidence?
Got it.
I'll just wait for the actual evidence.
Got it.
I'll just wait for the actual evidence.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Reliance posted it earlier, and you could just google what I said and find it yourself.I was just asking for the same "actual evidence" for the narrative you follow, that you demand of others.

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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Wot? Do you even know how to read?That's a letter praising the efforts of medical professionals in China. What does that have to do with this?
It's still consensus that the virus likely has a natural origin. It is still a conspiracy theory that it doesn't even if it may be possibly true. And the US intel community has still not yet released this "low confidence evidence" they claim to have.
Like I said, I will wait for actual evidence.
It's still consensus that the virus likely has a natural origin. It is still a conspiracy theory that it doesn't even if it may be possibly true. And the US intel community has still not yet released this "low confidence evidence" they claim to have.
Like I said, I will wait for actual evidence.
The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),1and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife
Just shut the fuсk up already.
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