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post 1685244443 06-24-2023, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~
Remember when they told us one of the symptoms was not having any symptoms?
I love when I get something, people ask if I got tested for Covid, sorry, not gonna take a test every time I get the sniffles.
post 1685244803 06-24-2023, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu
The covid shots would not qualify as a vaccine under the previious definition because the stimulation it produces was never meant to provide immunity.

Immunity was never even on the table.
Antibodies? Yep
T-cells? Yep

Acquired immunity? Yep
post 1685248413 06-24-2023, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Because it has not been addressed yet, I'll repost it ( and will keep reposting it until it is addressed ):



The medical community, through the MSM, have spread misinformation that led to the general public thinking that the covid vaccines offered sterilizing immunity.

It seems you are on board with said misinformation being spread, just like how you are on board with your government still, up to this day, posting misinformation on the official website.

Did you find that vial of Comirnaty yet?
Go back a page
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Nobody should have suggested sterilizing immunity.

The phase 3 trials drew no such conclusion.

But, that is tangential to the definition of vaccine.
post 1685249533 06-24-2023, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu
I don't see the problem with the original definition.

JLC says people were confused by it and assumed it meant 100% immunity for anyone who receives it.

A product that stimulates a persons immune system to produce immunity to a certain disease does not mean guaranteed immunity for everyone lol. It means the product will stimulate the immune system in an effort to produce immunity but the definition does not say that it WILL produce immunity lol. So JLC's argument is if something is too complex to understand, we should change it to something simpler and less accurate, I think he also claims to be intelligent lol.



The covid shots would not qualify as a vaccine under the previious definition because the stimulation it produces was never meant to provide immunity.

Immunity was never even on the table.

This was a treatment to fear*.



*Pun intended
Multiple heads of Government & Healthcare claimed that the vaccine would provide immunity. When it was found out this was not the case, the definition was changed.

This is fraud. For the CDC to falsely get people to believe they are consenting to an injection that confers immunity, & thus change the definition.

If fraud is proven, then the Big Pharma contracts with the federal government that contain the "immune from liability" clauses can be invalidated.

This is a move to cover their asses.
post 1685250103 06-24-2023, 07:47 PM
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brb getting breakthrough infection of polio.

lulz
post 1685253633 06-24-2023, 08:41 PM
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The definition of vaccine has been updated and changed many times before covid.

To the OP, I’d like to see a definition for immunity that excludes immunity generated by the covid vaccines but includes naturally acquired immunity.

Reliable humoral and cell mediated responses? Both

Reliable protection against disease? Both

Sterilizing immunity? Neither, reinfections and breakthrough infections are both common.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
The definition of vaccine has been updated and changed many times before covid.

To the OP, I’d like to see a definition for immunity that excludes immunity generated by the covid vaccines but includes naturally acquired immunity.

Reliable humoral and cell mediated responses? Both

Reliable protection against disease? Both

Sterilizing immunity? Neither, reinfections and breakthrough infections are both common.
Legit cringe
post 1685254823 06-24-2023, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Antibodies? Yep
T-cells? Yep

Acquired immunity? Yep
Originally Posted By Paul
Multiple heads of Government & Healthcare claimed that the vaccine would provide immunity. When it was found out this was not the case, the definition was changed.

This is fraud. For the CDC to falsely get people to believe they are consenting to an injection that confers immunity, & thus change the definition.

If fraud is proven, then the Big Pharma contracts with the federal government that contain the "immune from liability" clauses can be invalidated.

This is a move to cover their asses.




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post 1685266283 06-25-2023, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
The definition of vaccine has been updated and changed many times before covid.

To the OP, I’d like to see a definition for immunity that excludes immunity generated by the covid vaccines but includes naturally acquired immunity.

Reliable humoral and cell mediated responses? Both

Reliable protection against disease? Both

Sterilizing immunity? Neither, reinfections and breakthrough infections are both common.
The guy who believes flu shots, RSV shots, and the Rona jabs should be forced and mandated has entered the chat room.......
post 1685269963 06-25-2023, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I copied and pasted these from the CDC's website on another forum on 7/19/2021 from the link below them.


Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.



https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm



The same link has this information now..


Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.




I know Ben..you never think I keep receipts
So we are debating immunity vs protection?
I have never, ever, read 100% protection or immunity **for any product** because of statistical outliers or non responders.
So that would make everything protection.
If Paul responds and Ben does not, it isn't 100%, so the definition would automatically be protection no matter the drug, vaccine, or procedure.
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