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Thread: Neurologic Manifestations of Long COVID

post 1686543443 07-15-2023, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
How did they define brain fog?

How did they determine a patient had it?

After that determination, how did they conclude it was caused by Covid and not other factors?



For the >70% of people who had headaches, how did they determine the headache was cause by “long Covid? “



If a study was conducted the same way but attributed them to the injections would you feel differently about it based solely on the conclusion?
These questions are why I suggested reading the study

Not liking something doesn't make it invalid, imo.
post 1686543553 07-15-2023, 06:52 AM
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Michael Ferro is a White Democrat…


post 1686543613 07-15-2023, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Did he fund this study or was a donation used to open a clinic?

Does that invalidate the results?
This study was supported in part by a
gift from Mr. and Mrs. Michael Ferro.
A gift or donation is "funds"

What are you talking about with "invalidate"- I already posted earlier the study stated there was no conflicts of interest.


My questions were:

1. Why did Michael Ferro fund this study?
2. Did his political donations to hyper partisan democrats help leverage the remaining grant approval?


You are having some odd, unrelated, responses to these- are you okay?
post 1686543703 07-15-2023, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
A gift or donation is "funds"

What are you talking about with "invalidate"- I already posted earlier the study stated there was no conflicts of interest.


My questions were:

1. Why did Michael Ferro fund this study?
2. Did his political donations to hyper partisan democrats help leverage the remaining grant approval?


You are having some odd, unrelated, responses to these- are you okay?
Was the gift for the study or to the clinic?

Your second question suggests you're unfamiliar with NIH grants. But I shared the grant in question.
post 1686543873 07-15-2023, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Was the gift for the study or to the clinic?

Your second question suggests you're unfamiliar with NIH grants.
I'm just asking some questions/ i'm very aware of how political favoritism/ donations can help drive certain Grant approvals.


Maybe I'm just wanting to send him a thank you card for his service to humanity.


Why are you are you so presumptuous and skeptical?
post 1686543913 07-15-2023, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
These questions are why I suggested reading the study

Not liking something doesn't make it invalid, imo.
So you are unable to answer them, or refuse to because it shows how bad the “study” is.




Liking something doesn’t make it valid.
post 1686543923 07-15-2023, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Michael Ferro is a White Democrat…


He seems like a really stand up straight and arrow type of guy.

Just the type of person you would expect to make selfless actions like this, with no vested interest.
post 1686544063 07-15-2023, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
I'm just asking some questions/ i'm very aware of how political favoritism/ donations can help drive certain Grant approvals.


Maybe I'm just wanting to send him a thank you card for his service to humanity.


Why are you are you so presumptuous and skeptical?
What about the grant do you think is partisan?
post 1686544103 07-15-2023, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So you are unable to answer them, or refuse to because it shows how bad the “study” is.




Liking something doesn’t make it valid.
Well no, but the answers are presented in the paper, which it seems you don't want to read.
post 1686544173 07-15-2023, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What about the grant do you think is partisan?
I don't understand this question/ what is "the great"
post 1686544353 07-15-2023, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
I don't understand this question/ what is "the great"
The post you quoted says "grant".

Grants are how the NIH awards research funding.

I shared the grant in question
post 1686544413 07-15-2023, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The post you quoted says "grant".

Grants are how the NIH awards research funding.

I shared the grant in question
I never said anything about the grant being partisan anywhere, what are you talking about
post 1686544433 07-15-2023, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Well no, but the answers are presented in the paper, which it seems you don't want to read.
Since you’ve already read it I figured it’d be faster to just ask you. It seems you have no desire to share the information(despite creating a thread to share a recap of said study). Given your track record I’ll assume you’re either lying, or that the information shows how bad the study is. If you’d like to show me how that’s wrong then feel free to answer the question.
post 1686544753 07-15-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Since you’ve already read it I figured it’d be faster to just ask you. It seems you have no desire to share the information(despite creating a thread to share a recap of said study). Given your track record I’ll assume you’re either lying, or that the information shows how bad the study is. If you’d like to show me how that’s wrong then feel free to answer the question.
You're certainly free to reject things without review. On here I think that's considered both intellectual and honest
post 1686544803 07-15-2023, 07:23 AM
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Another semi related sidenote- the national Institute of health reports to the department of health and human services.


Xavier Becerra is the secretary of health and human services.


He got his Law degree at Stanford - which is pretty prestigious.

I think it makes a lot of sense to have a good lawyer in charge of the department of health and human services.
post 1686544923 07-15-2023, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Another semi related sidenote- the national Institute of health reports to the department of health and human services.


Xavier Becerra is the secretary of health and human services.


He got his Law degree at Stanford - which is pretty prestigious.

I think it makes a lot of sense to have a good lawyer in charge of the department of health and human services.
National grants are legally binding and heavily audited.
post 1686545003 07-15-2023, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You're certainly free to reject things without review. On here I think that's considered both intellectual and honest
I reject things based on your track record and refusal to answer.


But we can move on to the cognition tests. They weren’t answered by participants before diagnosis, so they don’t really tell us what the study is suggesting. All it really does it provide evidence that older people are more likely to score lower on cognition tests, which is nothing groundbreaking. Yet they try to use it as evidence of “long Covid” effects. Just another reason to be skeptical of their other methods, including the “headache” aspect of the “study”.
post 1686545093 07-15-2023, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
This.

OP has a reputation of fudging number in the direction of the narrative he supports (by at least two decimal points), linking "models" that are mathematically impossible as "real world data", and flat out lying (again, to support the narrative).

Easiest thing to do is to assume that anything he posts is just more of the same.
It's certainly a strategy that can be employed to dismiss or reject without review.

Similar to how story telling can be employed to prevent discussion of some topics.

Hecklers gon' heckle, as they say.
post 1686545113 07-15-2023, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I reject things based on your track record and refusal to answer.
You are certainly free to take that approach to discussion

(Medical records).
post 1686545173 07-15-2023, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
National grants are legally binding and heavily audited.
Exactly - why good lawyers better than a health mind.

Who does this for NIH? HHS Office of Inspector General.


And who better to be the final oversight for that than the former was Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Exactly - why good lawyers better than a health mind.

Who does this for NIH? HHS Office of Inspector General.


And who better to be the final oversight for that than the former was Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus
But you're not implying partisan influence?

Are you suggesting no NIH grant reviewers have a "health mind"?

S'all good.

You said your goal was to derail the thread because you don't think covid should be discussed.

You're not alone
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But you're not implying partisan influence?

Are you suggesting no NIH grant reviewers have a "health mind"?

S'all good.

You said your goal was to derail the thread because you don't think covid should be discussed.

You're not alone
I'm just looking who to send a thank you card to.

Why do you think this upstanding guy shoveled a bunch of money that way?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You posted a covid thread in R&P.

Religion and Politics.

Which one do you consider Covid to be?
The available evidence suggests it's a both-and

Is there another sub you feel is better suited to health and science topics?
post 1686545493 07-15-2023, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
I'm just looking who to send a thank you card to.

Why do you think this upstanding guy shoveled a bunch of money that way?
How much money?

They started a new clinic at Northwestern.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You said your goal was to derail the thread
Where did I post this? Can you quote it please?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
So, you consider the study that you have linked to be political in nature and that it requires a religious following to take seriously.

Got it.

Thanks for admitting it.
No.

You said "covid thread" and asked why I posted in R&P.

You then offered no alternative sub when asked politely.

So I guess we'll stick with R&P. Even though many really don't want the topic discussed and will take active roles in preventing discussion.

Curious.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Where did I post this? Can you quote it please?
On discord.

And no. I'm hoping we don't do screen cap gotchas from there.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You literally posted you consider it to be both political and religious, a couple posts up.

Was that another lie that we can add to your long list of lies?

One doesn't have to wonder why you can't answer a rudimentary question about lot control of yhe very vaccines you claim to have been administering.

Because you are "taking an active role in preventing discussion."

I said based on the available evidence, covid appears to be both a political and religious topic on the misc.

Do you disagree?

'tis you trying to discuss vaccines in this thread, not I.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How much money?

They started a new clinic at Northwestern.
Pretty heavy on political donations/ a few million
post 1686546263 07-15-2023, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
On discord.

And no. I'm hoping we don't do screen cap gotchas from there.
I think you might be suffering from long Covid man.
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