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03-24-2024, 06:48 PM
#91
Originally Posted By Coach McGuirk⏩
Can someone explain the %s? I’m half drunk and see they don’t add up.
Add the colors together left to right
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03-24-2024, 06:48 PM
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What's the key factor for black people being arrested more often?
The 13/50 is probably wrong in that it’s likely closer to 8/50


Black people get arrested for crimes more often because they commit more crimes. The statistics back that up.
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03-24-2024, 06:50 PM
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Look man you catch a lot of chit here that is probably unwarranted but this post is mostly bullchit and really brings to life why nothing changes with the black crime situation


1. A LOT of crimes are committed by black people. An insane amount. No, not by all black people.
2. Black areas get over policed because of point 1
3. You tried to make a point that is factual about the crime even tho you won’t just fuking say it. However you start to throw it away with the excuse in point 2 and then completely lose all semblance of an acknowledgement with the race card. Yeah black people get profiled. Know why? Point 1


White people pointing out the fact that crimes are committed by black people at an alarming rate is not racist. White people pointing out that the black community doesn’t do chit to fix the crime rate within the black community is not racist.

Black people avoiding these conversations and then blaming white people IS racist tho.
No, what it sounds like is that you're looking for something to disagree with by reading in between lines that don't exist in my post, srs.

You ignored my final statement in my post as well.






Anyway, the original point of contention was that 13/50 is legitimate. It is, but it is often taken out of context (like I pointed out ITT) to justify racism that most of you are too cowardly to own up to. All of this other chit ya'll are bringing up isn't going to change that.

But please, feel free to argue with yourself lol.
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03-24-2024, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
Yes, they're taken out of context. The statistics directly state it's for arrests, not convictions.



Many factors actually

- The black community does have issues that need to be addressed (primarily in the nuclear family unit)
- Over policing of black neighborhoods/areas
- Skin color being associated with increased threat or suspicion




I feel like this is a case of "Two things can be true at once". The black community does have issues and racists are using those issues to justify their racism that would've been present regardless of those issues.
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03-24-2024, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
Yes, they're taken out of context. The statistics directly state it's for arrests, not convictions.



Many factors actually

- The black community does have issues that need to be addressed (primarily in the nuclear family unit)
- Over policing of black neighborhoods/areas
- Skin color being associated with increased threat or suspicion




I feel like this is a case of "Two things can be true at once". The black community does have issues and racists are using those issues to justify their racism that would've been present regardless of those issues .
Do you really believe this? I did when I was younger - I literally thought ppl were just racist because they didn’t find black skin aesthetic or something. Then I moved to South Africa and learned firsthand how ppl become racist.
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03-24-2024, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Postmort3m⏩
You’re kidding with this sh*t right?
No.

Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
Do you really believe this? I did when I was younger - I literally thought ppl were just racist because they didn’t find black skin aesthetic or something. Then I moved to South Africa and learned firsthand how ppl become racist.
Yes.





So far most of you have just fired back with opinions instead of addressing the inconsistency I pointed out with the 13/50 dog whistle (which still didn't deny the black community has issues to address with crime and violence). Hence why I said "Two things can be true at once".
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03-24-2024, 06:57 PM
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Void I don't care to argue over the Internet for hours but you are 100% coping. The 13/50 number is a fact, and that's only the crimes they get caught for. They commit tens of thousands of more crimes that are not documented. Just accept reality and move on, you're not one of them, great, but the community is ****ed beyond repair.
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03-24-2024, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By PShift5⏩
The 13/50 number is a fact
13/50 is a fact in the context of ARRESTS. Not in the contexts it's used here…(The original point of contention).

Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
you add the percentage up, left to right

Blacks are killing more

Also in line with fbi stats
13/52- 13% of the pop commits 52% of violent crime
13/91 - 13% of the pop commits 91 of interracial crime
Which doesn't account for exonerations and implies that all of these arrests end in convictions.
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03-24-2024, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
13/50 is a fact in the context of ARRESTS. Not in the contexts it's used here…(The original point of contention).



Which doesn't account for exonerations and implies that all of these arrests end in convictions.
Yet you’re ignoring that a lot of times in court charges are downgraded, amended, or dropped. So now youre ignoring people who committed a crime and got a lower charge, charge dropped and yes this happens more than people getting exonerated. Also are there any numbers confirming this conviction rate % besides you saying trust me bro
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03-24-2024, 07:22 PM
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Yet you’re ignoring that a lot of times in court charges are downgraded, amended, or dropped. So now youre ignoring people who committed a crime and got a lower charge, charge dropped and yes this happens more than people getting exonerated. Also are there any numbers confirming this conviction rate % besides you saying trust me bro
Where are the statistics for this?

And please, no podcast links and timestamps. Thanks.
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03-24-2024, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
Where are the statistics for this?

And please, no podcast links and timestamps. Thanks.
I know bc I work in the judicial system seen it first hand multiple times.There’s more evidence of my claim than yours. Take Chicago for example the problem is the Cook SA’s office don’t charge people who get arrested for violent crimes and get let out to the streets why do you think Kim Fox isn’t running for reelection.


But since you want an example:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Smollett.html

This includes arrest for shootings, batteries in the most populated county in IL. Arrest made no conviction.

Any source for yours? And please, no podcast links and timestamps. Thanks
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03-24-2024, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted By FlipBrah⏩
I know bc I work in the judicial system seen it first hand multiple times.There’s more evidence of my claim than yours. Take Chicago for example the problem is the Cook SA’s office don’t charge people who get arrested for violent crimes and get let out to the streets why do you think Kim Fox isn’t running for reelection.


But since you want an example:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Smollett.html

This includes arrest for shootings, batteries in the most populated county in IL. Arrest made no conviction.

Any source for yours? And please, no podcast links and timestamps. Thanks
I asked for statistics, not a news article from 2022.

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Any source for yours? And please, no podcast links and timestamps. Thanks
You're welcome. At least one of us could deliver.



https://www.law.umich.edu/special/ex...%20Preview.pdf


Now I wish I could find recent statistics for this, but those take time. If I find 2023 or later, you best believe I'll link it.


https://innocenceproject.org/race-an...%20are%20Black .
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03-24-2024, 08:13 PM
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I truly don't get how people who are unaffected by inner city crime spend so much time complaining about it, while not caring about the solutions. Granted I don't leave the house much, I haven't been a witness to violent crime in the past two years and I've mostly lived in places with diversity representative of the country as a whole or even moreso. I see a fight or two if I'm out at a bar or something, but it's not Gotham City. It's like the racist white boogeyman syndrome.

You all are the fukking biggest dumbasses I've ever seen which is why I barely log onto the internet these days. What will it take for you r3tards to realize you're the "NPC's" getting a "psyop" ran on you? Smh. But go ahead and keep contributing to the demise of our society. You're doing a great job of Making America Great Again.
You exemplify the issue. You speak like an average New Yorker, who believes this until they decide to walk across the bridge after a Michelin starred night out and get mugged at knife/gunpoint. Your type? You then blame yourself for not taking an Uber.

Ignoring crime does not negate its existence. Burying your head in the sand only works so long - usually, until crime hits you.

Interesting how your post defines a fundamental problem in NYC, heh.
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03-24-2024, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
this was something I always heard growing up. "People in poverty commit crime." This was a comforting explanation because it shifted the full blame away from those communities. We could think of them more as being "victims of their situation." Then the actual research came out. And the correlation is not as strong as we thought. Now things are getting quite uncomfortable.


I still hear the occasional oldcel parroting this excuse
The correlation is pretty damn strong. Not sure where you are getting that. Do you see a bunch of Ivy league rich black kids going around raping and murdering people? Did you ever look at the importance of education to preventing crime? Gosh it is almost like the American neofeudal class system is crushing the bottom. Funny how the same pattern of crime and crime cultures happens everywhere on the planet and it is always in poor and uneducated regions of the world. If it's a black thing, maybe you can explain to me how the Irish used to be black then lmfao. Fuking racists.
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03-24-2024, 08:21 PM
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White MAGA tards get irate over facts.. it's alright brahs, crime is down in this country FYI
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03-24-2024, 08:22 PM
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I truly don't get how people who are unaffected by inner city crime spend so much time complaining about it, while not caring about the solutions. Granted I don't leave the house much, I haven't been a witness to violent crime in the past two years and I've mostly lived in places with diversity representative of the country as a whole or even moreso. I see a fight or two if I'm out at a bar or something, but it's not Gotham City. It's like the racist white boogeyman syndrome.

You all are the fukking biggest dumbasses I've ever seen which is why I barely log onto the internet these days. What will it take for you r3tards to realize you're the "NPC's" getting a "psyop" ran on you? Smh. But go ahead and keep contributing to the demise of our society. You're doing a great job of Making America Great Again.
I live in St. Louis…I see it plenty. Am i allowed to complain about it?

One of my friend's friend was murdered. White man killed by black male neighbor because of a noise complaint.

White friend who saw a black man roughing up a black girl, and white friend told him he should stop. Black man proceeds to attack and bite my white friend, and the black girl helps the black man in the fight. Afterwards i think the lesson he learned was never try to help black people.

I've seen black people dealing drugs strapped with guns, i've seen black people busting car windows and stealing others possessions.

The benefit of discussing this is so that we can openly shame negative behavior. Shame the criminal behavior within the black community and hopefully that will put pressure on black people to shame the behavior as well. Shame is an effective way for societies to curb negative behavior. Currently black people don't do this.

I was watching a Harvard black professor talk about his upbringing and how he had cousins who were drug dealers. He said something that i think he believed was a positive, but he said "in the black community, we don't really care, we love everyone. I loved my drug dealing cousins. I just didn't want to be one myself." I've heard other black people say similar statements. So i think there is definitely an issue in black communities that they do not shame or ostracize criminals within their community when they should be.
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03-24-2024, 08:24 PM
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I live in St. Louis…I see it plenty. Am i allowed to complain about it?

One of my friend's friend was murdered. White man killed by black male neighbor because of a noise complaint.

White friend who saw a black man roughing up a black girl, and white friend told him he should stop. Black man proceeds to attack and bite my white friend, and the black girl helps the black man in the fight. Afterwards i think the lesson he learned was never try to help black people.

I've seen black people dealing drugs strapped with guns, i've seen black people busting car windows and stealing others possessions.

The benefit of discussing this is so that we can openly shame negative behavior. Shame the criminal behavior within the black community and hopefully that will put pressure on black people to shame the behavior as well. Shame is an effective way for societies to curb negative behavior. Currently black people don't do this.

I was watching a Harvard black professor talk about his upbringing and how he had cousins who were drug dealers. He said something that i think he believed was a positive, but he said "in the black community, we don't really care, we love everyone. I loved my drug dealing cousins. I just didn't want to be one myself." I've heard other black people say similar statements. So i think there is definitely an issue in black communities that they do not shame or ostracize criminals within their community when they should be.
And why do you think there are so many drug dealers from those communities? Could it maybe have to do with lack of education and job prospects? You're aware Italians, Irish, and Jews literally went through this exact situation, right?

And since we are all about the statistics, the vast majority of blacks are not criminals. So, it is patently unfair to generalize and demonize blacks, especially when you see blacks are the #1 victims of black crime. Let it sink in.
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03-24-2024, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By iamdetermined⏩
I truly don't get how people who are unaffected by inner city crime spend so much time complaining about it, while not caring about the solutions. Granted I don't leave the house much, I haven't been a witness to violent crime in the past two years and I've mostly lived in places with diversity representative of the country as a whole or even moreso. I see a fight or two if I'm out at a bar or something, but it's not Gotham City. It's like the racist white boogeyman syndrome.

You all are the fukking biggest dumbasses I've ever seen which is why I barely log onto the internet these days. What will it take for you r3tards to realize you're the "NPC's" getting a "psyop" ran on you? Smh. But go ahead and keep contributing to the demise of our society. You're doing a great job of Making America Great Again.
You make jawdawg look like he has a brain. Holy chit, unparalleled levels of stupid from this retard.
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03-24-2024, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
I asked for statistics, not a news article from 2022.



You're welcome. At least one of us could deliver.



https://www.law.umich.edu/special/ex...%20Preview.pdf


Now I wish I could find recent statistics for this, but those take time. If I find 2023 or later, you best believe I'll link it.


https://innocenceproject.org/race-an...%20are%20Black .
This really isn’t the own you think it is. You said using UCR data isn’t reliable because it doesn’t include convictions. I said you’re ignoring instances where those arrested aren’t charged and or convicted. I show you instance where 25000 arrested don’t get charged felonies for violent crimes and you give me studies using 3200 cases that end in exoneration. Ok? If you don’t think 13/50 isn’t correct, what’s a more accurate % since you’re the one arguing it?
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03-24-2024, 08:38 PM
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And why do you think there are so many drug dealers from those communities? Could it maybe have to do with lack of education and job prospects? You're aware Italians, Irish, and Jews literally went through this exact situation, right?

And since we are all about the statistics, the vast majority of blacks are not criminals. So, it is patently unfair to generalize and demonize blacks, especially when you see blacks are the #1 victims of black crime. Let it sink in.

What is causing the lack of job opportunity and education? The city is 46% black, the Mayor is Black, DA was black, but it came out that she was collecting a check and not actually doing ANY work related to her job. There are black owned businesses all over. I'm pretty sure there are results showing that some of these inner city schools get major funding to no avail. How do you educate people when the current culture has zero discipline for behaving and learning in school?

As for poor people comitting crime, there are some pretty poor countries in the world that have lower crime than we do. While it may be 1 factor, there must be other factors playing a bigger role.
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03-24-2024, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By FlipBrah⏩
This really isn’t the own you think it is. You said using UCR data isn’t reliable because it doesn’t include convictions. I said you’re ignoring instances where those arrested aren’t charged and or convicted. I show you instance where 25000 arrested don’t get charged felonies for violent crimes and you give me studies using 3200 cases that end in exoneration. Ok? If you don’t think 13/50 isn’t correct, what’s a more accurate % since you’re the one arguing it?
Ugh…I'm already on chill time right now but I'll bite lol.

Addressing the bolded. I was pointing out just what you mentioned…those arrested aren't charged or convicted because they likely weren't guilty of anything to begin with. And Black criminals aren't just being let off scott free (aside from places from Cali and NYC) since they still make up 30+ percent of the prison population.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics...nmate_race.jsp


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Ok? If you don’t think 13/50 isn’t correct, what’s a more accurate % since you’re the one arguing it?
Lol, nice try. I never said 13/50 was incorrect, however I did point out that it is taken out of context to account for actual convictions of violent crimes vs them being just arrests.

Plus those inmate states show white prisoners make up 50% of incarcerations.
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03-24-2024, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
Ugh…I'm already on chill time right now but I'll bite lol.

Addressing the bolded. I was pointing out just what you mentioned…those arrested aren't charged or convicted because they likely weren't guilty of anything to begin with. And Black criminals aren't just being let off scott free (aside from places from Cali and NYC) since they still make up 30+ percent of the prison population.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics...nmate_race.jsp




Lol, nice try. I never said 13/50 was incorrect, however I did point out that it is taken out of context to account for actual convictions of violent crimes vs them being just arrests.

Plus those inmate states show white prisoners make up 50% of incarcerations.
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03-24-2024, 08:47 PM
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What is causing the lack of job opportunity and education? The city is 46% black, the Mayor is Black, DA was black, but it came out that she was collecting a check and not actually doing ANY work related to her job. There are black owned businesses all over. I'm pretty sure there are results showing that some of these inner city schools get major funding to no avail. How do you educate people when the current culture has zero discipline for behaving and learning in school?

As for poor people comitting crime, there are some pretty poor countries in the world that have lower crime than we do. While it may be 1 factor, there must be other factors playing a bigger role.
The same forces causing a lack of opportunity and education for the lower class whites. It's our system. It makes rich people richer and bottoms out the lower class.

USA K-12 funding goes to all the wrong chit. It's an excuse for the government to buy chit from Apple and Microsoft. It doesn't actually improve education. What difference does it make if your school has a fancy computer lab if literal gangs hang out outside campus and recruit kids to help deal drugs? What difference does it make if parents are barely able to get by and make rent and are seldom able to be at home to keep kids out of trouble?

And as far as crime goes, our justice system favors the innocent and provides many liberties to criminals. Our prison system is also designed to be a gulag and mass recruitment center for gangs.
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03-24-2024, 08:49 PM
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voidgaze, you can argue all you want for that extra percentage point or two, in the end the rates are obviously disproportionate. Even left wing debaters know this, they argue Jim Crow , systemic racism,etc causes it, not that it does not exist. The argument has gone WAY WAY WAY past "figures are wrong".

Far left argument:
- inherited victim/slaveryhood
- Systemic racism

Left wing argument:
- More blacks in poverty

Right wing argument:
- Fatherless rates
- Degenerate rap culture.
- LBJ JC laws

far right argument:
- DNA/biology

you arent even on the radar if you think the facts/stats are wrong.
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03-24-2024, 08:51 PM
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Each race kills their own more than others in NYC, which tracks across the country as well

That's the stat
Of course the guy who edges himself to LeBron claiming he gets hunted in the streets, is too stupid to acknowledge how terrible wakandans are lmfao.

Shame LeBron isn't hunted in the streets like he claims, god the NBA and the world would be a better place.

You know what the funniest thing is though, LeBron would NEVER go hang out with his black homies in the ghetto. He'd be far too scared to do that. I wonder why
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voidgaze, you can argue all you want for that extra percentage point or two, in the end the rates are obviously disproportionate. Even left wing debaters know this, they argue Jim Crow , systemic racism,etc causes it, not that it does not exist. The argument has gone WAY WAY WAY past "figures are wrong".

Far left argument:
- inherited victim/slaveryhood
- Systemic racism

Left wing argument:
- More blacks in poverty

Right wing argument:
- Fatherless rates
- Degenerate rap culture.
- LBJ JC laws

far right argument:
- DNA/biology

you arent even on the radar if you think the facts/stats are wrong.
Considering that "race" isn't even based on genetics, the entire far right argument is garbage. And the right wing argument is literally a consequence of the far left and left one. People who cannot understand this are fuking morons.

To the black bros in this thread, these clowns do not speak for America.
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Voidgaze brought up "over-policing" as being a problem for black communities.

Does this mean black communities would thrive without a heavy police presence?
I never stated it was a "problem" that was my answer to which FACTORS lead to more black arrests.

I won't argue against a point I never made.
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I'm sorry I mistook what you posted, over-policing is NOT a problem in black communities.
Sorry I didn't engage in your bad faith bait.
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Sorry I didn't engage in your bad faith bait.
Lmao bad faith bait when you post:

Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
over 50% of BLACK arrests that lead to CONVICTIONS are EXONERATED.
Just because out of 3200 people who were exonerated ~50% were black does not mean half of blacks convicted are exonerated. No where does it say it in the conclusion of your umich study either, only as a % of the handpicked cases they looked at
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Hypothetically, If I say I made 300% return on my investment, "I'm bringing out the truth" but I will have said that for a specific reason lol.

Hypothetically, what I wouldn't be saying is I turned $1 into $4 but I won't have said that for a very specific reason lol.

Hypothetical, I would be trying to frame a situation dishonestly, with honesty lol.

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Irony is he made a lot of his wealth on the backs of liberals lol
I think you mean the deep state lol.

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