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04-23-2024, 03:04 PM
#91
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Maybe you can explain how he's bending time and "doing 10 hours of work" in " 2 hours"?

This has been explained already.

Technical augmentation and capital deepening increases total factor productivity.

Reducing the number of hours worked for a given wage/salary is an increase in pay per hour worked.

You are arguing in semantics.
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04-23-2024, 03:04 PM
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For everyone saying tech/AI is a reason for less hours worked by people, should businesses continue to pay the same salary to humans who have less work to do?
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."

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04-23-2024, 03:08 PM
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This has been explained already.

Technical augmentation and capital deepening increases total factor productivity.

Reducing the number of hours worked for a given wage/salary is an increase in pay per hour worked.

You are arguing in semantics.
It's not semantics…

Did this "Technical augmentation and capital deepening increases total factor productivity" happen between the time that he got hired and now?

Bonus question : Does his contract specify tasks to be completed, or work hours expected?

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04-23-2024, 03:08 PM
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For everyone saying tech/AI is a reason for less hours worked by people, should businesses continue to pay the same salary to humans who have less work to do?
If productivity has increased, then yes.
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04-23-2024, 03:10 PM
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If productivity has increased, then yes.
Interesting.

And what happens when someone else does the same work for less money?

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04-23-2024, 03:12 PM
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If productivity has increased, then yes.
So are we arguing about who productivity belongs to at this point? Those who create it through their innovations, or those who pay them to do so? I’d argue it belongs to both.
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04-23-2024, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Interesting.

And what happens when someone else does the same work for less money?

Typically, like in real life? A reduction in quality, outsourcing, and a negative impact on the local economy.
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04-23-2024, 03:16 PM
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Typically, like in real life? A reduction in quality, outsourcing, and a negative impact on the local economy.
I didn't mention whether the "someone else" was local or not…

It's almost like people are aware more than they let on, but for some reason are too scared to say it.

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04-23-2024, 03:23 PM
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Maybe you can explain how he's bending time and "doing 10 hours of work" in " 2 hours"?

Sure.

He’s basically saying that some process / procedure used to take approximately 10 hours to complete, but now with some creative intervention / technological advancement, it only takes 2 hours.

So, in the effect, he’s saying it was 10 hours of work but now it is only 2.
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04-23-2024, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I didn't mention whether the "someone else" was local or not…

It's almost like people are aware more than they let on, but for some reason are too scared to say it.

Boyo, if I could say everything that was in my head all the time, meetings would go very differently.
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04-23-2024, 03:30 PM
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Sure.

He’s basically saying that some process / procedure used to take approximately 10 hours to complete, but now with some creative intervention / technological advancement, it only takes 2 hours.

So, in the effect, he’s saying it was 10 hours of work but now it is only 2.
It is very interesting how you had to reword it to mean something completely different than what he said to make it work.

Bonus question : Did this "creative intervention / technological advancement" happen between when he was hired and now?

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04-23-2024, 03:31 PM
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technology is doing the same chit it has for the past 2000+ years. replacing humans.

everytime humans have adapted. Its going to happen again.

No one in a competitive market is going to keep people on doing nothing/less.

Flourishing businesses (ie not very competitve/cutthroat) will continue to hire paper weights/DEI/HR/Events managers/middle management as long as the real workers get the real work done and its profitable. Its always about the square root of a worker population doing 90% of the work and all the fair weather workers getting taken on a free ride
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04-23-2024, 03:31 PM
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Boyo, if I could say everything that was in my head all the time, meetings would go very differently.
If we all did that, things would be very different - maybe with a bit of filter just to be civil.

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04-23-2024, 04:00 PM
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It is very interesting how you had to reword it to mean something completely different than what he said to make it work.

You indicated you did not understand his original point, hence I re-worded it to help you understand.

It would not make much sense to repeat word-for-word what he said if you did not understand it the first time around.
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04-23-2024, 04:20 PM
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You indicated you did not understand his original point, hence I re-worded it to help you understand.

It would not make much sense to repeat word-for-word what he said if you did not understand it the first time around.
And thus the intellectually dishonest resorts to a patronizing tone…

So, if you say that I didn't understand his point - please explain how one can "do 10 hours of work" in "2 hours", maybe we will all be rich if we figure this out, because that requires one to break free of the constraints of time. Or concede that his point doesn't make any sense the way he put it, and that's why you needed to alter what he said to something entirely different just to make it make sense.

Also very interesting how you edited out part of the quoted post - I don't even have to wonder why you did that.

Let me repeat the question that you so neatly ignored :

Did the "creative intervention / technological advancement" that you had to insert to make his point make sense, happen between when he was hired and now?

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04-23-2024, 04:21 PM
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I currently work four 10s. Feels good man

Of course, my job is actually hard. Not like pussy officecels
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04-23-2024, 04:27 PM
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I currently work four 10s. Feels good man

Of course, my job is actually hard. Not like pussy officecels
Do you also "do 10 hours of work" in "2 hours"?

Or are you not as blind as the officecels ITT. Just LOL @ rubbing their nose in it for several posts in a row, and they're still not getting it.

That is probably why they are where they are in life.

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04-23-2024, 04:30 PM
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So are we arguing about who productivity belongs to at this point? Those who create it through their innovations, or those who pay them to do so? I’d argue it belongs to both.
It should belong to both.

However the profit share has been going in one direction for the last 50 years or more despite increases in worker productivity

Probably pure coincidence that this is roughly the same timing as the decline of the labour union movement
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04-23-2024, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And thus the intellectually dishonest resorts to a patronizing tone…

So, if you say that I didn't understand his point - please explain how one can "do 10 hours of work" in "2 hours", maybe we will all be rich if we figure this out, because that requires one to break free of the constraints of time. Or concede that his point doesn't make any sense the way he put it, and that's why you needed to alter what he said to something entirely different just to make it make sense.

Also very interesting how you edited out part of the quoted post - I don't even have to wonder why you did that.

Let me repeat the question that you so neatly ignored :

Did the "creative intervention / technological advancement" that you had to insert to make his point make sense, happen between when he was hired and now?

Pretty sure it just means he was given a task with some estimated LOE, created some macro (or an analogue of one) to cut that short so his task fell below the estimation, and considers the free time something earned through innovation.
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04-23-2024, 04:33 PM
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It should belong to both.

However the profit share has been going in one direction for the last 50 years or more despite increases in worker productivity

Probably pure coincidence that this is roughly the same timing as the decline of the labour union movement
The decline of the labour union movement also coincides with the dilution of the labour force by various means (both parents entering the work force, less restricted immigration, and offshoring ).

All are pure coincidences.

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04-23-2024, 04:36 PM
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Or concede that his point doesn't make any sense the way he put it, and that's why you needed to alter what he said to something entirely different just to make it make sense.
I understood his point just fine, I’m simply trying to help you understand it.

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Also very interesting how you edited out part of the quoted post - I don't even have to wonder why you did that.
Ease up on the conspiracy. I often cut posts to indicate when I am addressing specific parts.

Feel free to answer your own question.
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04-23-2024, 04:37 PM
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Pretty sure it just means he was given a task with some estimated LOE, created some macro (or an analogue of one) to cut that short so his task fell below the estimation, and considers the free time something earned through innovation.
I completely understand what he means - I am trying to make him understand how it really works. I highly doubt that he has an employment contract that is task based.

I am also calling BS on the claimed 80% reduction in time needed to complete the task that he was hired to do.

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04-23-2024, 04:38 PM
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Because 4 day work weeks make the most sense. Happier employees mean more productive workers, less turnover, higher morale, increase profits. It’s a fkin no brainer.

Besides, we need 3 day weekends.

1 day for leisure
1 day for errands people are unable to run during the week
1 day for rest

Trying to cram all of that chit between Saturday and Sunday is impossible. 3 days off is the most logical approach.
Yep no wonder depression and anxiety is so bad because working people already have very little time to rest or find their true passions but then they slave away and things just get more expensive at a far greater rate faster than the wages go up.
Its bullcrap and its about time that stops, enough is enough.
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04-23-2024, 04:39 PM
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I understood his point just fine, I’m simply trying to help you understand it.



Ease up on the conspiracy. I often cut posts to indicate when I am addressing specific parts.

Feel free to answer your own question.
And the intellectual dishonesty continues. You understood his point so much, you knew you needed to change his point to something completely different to make it make sense.

Don't assume people don't understand, just because they call out BS for what it is.

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The decline of the labour union movement also coincides with the dilution of the labour force by various means (both parents entering the work force, less restricted immigration, and offshoring ).

All are pure coincidences.

Those would be overlapping variables though

Low paid immigrants, part time workers, entry level workers, all have (or more to the point, had) a single means of levelling the playing field against the owners of capital, who are operating collectively through a board of directors
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04-23-2024, 04:43 PM
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Those would be overlapping variables though

Low paid immigrants, part time workers, entry level workers, all have (or more to the point, had) a single means of levelling the playing field against the owners of capital, who are operating collectively through a board of directors
While I agree with that, I do not see how that is a counter to what I posted ( which was just adding onto your original point ).

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04-23-2024, 04:45 PM
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I used to work 5 eights , but when I got into the construction aspects of telecommunications, I found 4 tens were much more productive and practical.
Having a long weekend every weekend was awesome too , as I found it was very healthy mentally .But I’m sure these pussies nowadays would want 4 eight hour shifts for the same pay .
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04-23-2024, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
While I agree with that, I do not see how that is a counter to what I posted ( which was just adding onto your original point ).

The main explanatory variable is the decline in bargaining power as between labour and capital

The other arguments - immigration, dual income households, etc etc - are red herrings employed by capital owners to divide workers and distract from the large scale productivity theft that is occurring
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04-23-2024, 04:49 PM
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Maybe you can explain how he's bending time and "doing 10 hours of work" in " 2 hours"?

Nobody in the 1800s thought we'd have cars. No one in the 1900s thought we have email.

Maybe I overexagerated, but no one can see into the future. AI will probably make task completion 10 folds faster

Can you turn 10 hours of work in to 2 in 1 day? Probably not. But finishing tasks 15 minutes faster certainly adds up overtime
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I used to work 5 eights , but when I got into the construction aspects of telecommunications, I found 4 tens were much more productive and practical.
Having a long weekend every weekend was awesome too , as I found it was very healthy mentally .But I’m sure these pussies nowadays would want 4 eight hour shifts for the same pay .
And the kids with black lung working coal mines for 10 hours a day, six days a week would call you a pussy. Why do you like the taste of boots so much?
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