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05-07-2024, 02:03 PM
#91
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul
And Job predates that..in which speaks of the spherical of the earth/planets
Based on what?

Is there a copy you can post that predates what I posted?

Just to be absolutely clear, I don't believe the Sumerians where the first writers on Earth, there was civilization even before them.
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05-07-2024, 02:17 PM
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Based on what?

Is there a copy you can post that predates what I posted?

Just to be absolutely clear, I don't believe the Sumerians where the first writers on Earth, there was civilization even before them.
I never claimed Job is the first written book of what we now read as a language, I am simply stating when it comes to the claims that the earth hangs on nothing, the universe had a beginning & the earth is a sphere, wre all first stated in Job.
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05-07-2024, 02:20 PM
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You don't need to prove God exists. Or doesn't exist. It's about the belief in Him. The faith. That's what actually matters and is useful. All of this arguing is at worst dangerous and leads to demon worship, and is at best just autism.

Once again you claim to be religious yet completely miss the point in something related to God or Christ. Starting to get real suspicious.
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05-07-2024, 02:33 PM
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You don't need to prove God exists. Or doesn't exist. It's about the belief in Him. The faith. That's what actually matters and is useful. All of this arguing is at worst dangerous and leads to demon worship, and is at best just autism.

Once again you claim to be religious yet completely miss the point in something related to God or Christ. Starting to get real suspicious.
We are not called to be ignorant, the more we understand regarding science the more the evidence points to a creator. God does not call you to blind worship.

We put faith in everything & everyone, not based on ignorance but because we reason why it is practical & logical.
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05-07-2024, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul
I never claimed Job is the first written book of what we now read as a language, I am simply stating when it comes to the claims that the earth hangs on nothing, the universe had a beginning & the earth is a sphere, wre all first stated in Job.
I don't understand.

I'm not saying you think Job is the first written book.

I'm saying that even if Job is scientifically correct, it is not the first iteration of that information. Sumer knew before Job, Egypt knew before Job, Gobekli knew before Job so it is more likely that the bible is a rewrite of previous information. I think many things in the bible are true but I don't think that it is an original work.


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You don't need to prove God exists. Or doesn't exist. It's about the belief in Him . The faith. That's what actually matters and is useful. All of this arguing is at worst dangerous and leads to demon worship, and is at best just autism.

Once again you claim to be religious yet completely miss the point in something related to God or Christ. Starting to get real suspicious.






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05-07-2024, 03:16 PM
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I don't understand.

I'm not saying you think Job is the first written book.

I'm saying that even if Job is scientifically correct, it is not the first iteration of that information. Sumer knew before Job, Egypt knew before Job, Gobekli knew before Job so it is more likely that the bible is a rewrite of previous information. I think many things in the bible are true but I don't think that it is an original work.










God is likely a Woman.
What is it you think they knew?

They observed the sky, they knew nothing of earths shape, what it hung on if anything nor the beginning of the universe. All religious texts, philosophical writings all claimed the universe was eternal.
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05-07-2024, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul
What is it you think they knew?

They observed the sky, they knew nothing of earths shape, what it hung on if anything nor the beginning of the universe. All religious texts, philosophical writings all claimed the universe was eternal.
There's an old story that posits Women were the first creatures on this planet and they created men out of need for labor, protection and companionship.

Even jews recognized "mitochondrial eve", long before science proved it, as they only recognize a person as jewish if their Mother is jewish.

This is also why we all start out as Female and then change into males(as needed by Women AKA God).

This is also why Women run most households when they are protected by men in society.

Women are our superior and to beat them, men must respond with low IQ violence.

If we don't, they win out because they are better than us, that's why I'm single lol.
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05-07-2024, 03:33 PM
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I hate to jump on the retard's short bus buttfuk it I'll add a couple more worms to the fray.

I see some people have mentioned Babylonians, Sumerians ITT but I glossed over it as they seem to be kooky type posts i.e. reaching for something more than is evidenced.

Hardly new info (actually 11-12k years old iirc) but probably is for many ITT, especially the theists, but take a look at Gobekli Tepe.

Spoiler!





It's just one of many sites in the broader area e.g. Karahantepe and they make the Sumerians or Egyptians look like blue haired trans furries as far as timelines are concerned. Whatever they were worshipping is now just some vague imagery that we can only dream of ever knowing the intricate details of. Just imagine how many thousands of religions were before them that died off and are lost forever. It blows my mind that despite knowing just this alone - (that humans, likely even before homo sapiens) have been worshipping flying spaghetti monsters to explain what they cant understand for untold millenia; people still take any supernatural phenonemon seriously, srs.

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05-07-2024, 03:33 PM
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You don't need to prove God exists. Or doesn't exist. It's about the belief in Him. The faith. That's what actually matters and is useful. All of this arguing is at worst dangerous and leads to demon worship, and is at best just autism.

Once again you claim to be religious yet completely miss the point in something related to God or Christ. Starting to get real suspicious.
All Im saying is that where there's smoke, there's fire
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05-07-2024, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul
What is it you think they knew?

They observed the sky, they knew nothing of earths shape, what it hung on if anything nor the beginning of the universe. All religious texts, philosophical writings all claimed the universe was eternal.
Lol.

I'm sorry I thought you were talking about Women.

The Sumerians mapped out space, they knew of planets long before even relatively modern humans, the current claim is Neptune was "discovered" in 1846 but humans knew of Neptune long before that.
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05-07-2024, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu
There's an old story that posits Women were the first creatures on this planet and they created men out of need for labor, protection and companionship.

Even jews recognized "mitochondrial eve", long before science proved it, as they only recognize a person as jewish if their Mother is jewish.

This is also why we all start out as Female and then change into males(as needed by Women AKA God).

This is also why Women run most households when they are protected by men in society.

Women are our superior and to beat them, men must respond with low IQ violence.

If we don't, they win out because they are better than us, that's why I'm single lol.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you..let’s not go on tangents for now.
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05-07-2024, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Mulloway69
I hate to jump on the retard's short bus buttfuk it I'll add a couple more worms to the fray.

I see some people have mentioned Babylonians, Sumerians ITT but I glossed over it as they seem to be kooky type posts i.e. reaching for something more than is evidenced.

Hardly new info (actually 11-12k years old iirc) but probably is for many ITT, especially the theists, but take a look at Gobekli Tepe.

Spoiler!





It's just one of many sites in the broader area e.g. Karahantepe and they make the Sumerians or Egyptians look like blue haired trans furries as far as timelines are concerned. Whatever they were worshipping is now just some vague imagery that we can only dream of ever knowing the intricate details of. Just imagine how many thousands of religions were before them that died off and are lost forever. It blows my mind that despite knowing just this alone - (that humans, likely even before homo sapiens) have been worshipping flying spaghetti monsters to explain what they cant understand for untold millenia; people still take any supernatural phenonemon seriously, srs.

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The statues I posted are over 20,000 years old.

I mentioned Gobekli as well.

Please, say more, lol.
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05-07-2024, 03:44 PM
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Lol.

I'm sorry I thought you were talking about Women.

The Sumerians mapped out space, they knew of planets long before even relatively modern humans, the current claim is Neptune was "discovered" in 1846 but humans knew of Neptune long before that.
Yes, they mapped out what they observed..that has nothing to do with the statements in the Bible regarding the universe & earth.

“ The universe, according to the Sumerian thinkers, consisted of heaven and earth in the shape of a cosmic mountain which floated on the sea, primeval and eternal, without begin- ”


https://www.penn.museum/documents/pu...s_of_sumer.pdf


Pls go
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05-07-2024, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Mulloway69
I hate to jump on the retard's short bus buttfuk it I'll add a couple more worms to the fray.

I see some people have mentioned Babylonians, Sumerians ITT but I glossed over it as they seem to be kooky type posts i.e. reaching for something more than is evidenced.

Hardly new info (actually 11-12k years old iirc) but probably is for many ITT, especially the theists, but take a look at Gobekli Tepe.

Spoiler!





It's just one of many sites in the broader area e.g. Karahantepe and they make the Sumerians or Egyptians look like blue haired trans furries as far as timelines are concerned. Whatever they were worshipping is now just some vague imagery that we can only dream of ever knowing the intricate details of. Just imagine how many thousands of religions were before them that died off and are lost forever. It blows my mind that despite knowing just this alone - (that humans, likely even before homo sapiens) have been worshipping flying spaghetti monsters to explain what they cant understand for untold millenia; people still take any supernatural phenonemon seriously, srs.

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You didn't post any picture of gods from gobekli - you just posted pictures and figurines of animals

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There's an old story that posits Women were the first creatures on this planet and they created men out of need for labor, protection and companionship.

Even jews recognized "mitochondrial eve", long before science proved it, as they only recognize a person as jewish if their Mother is jewish.

This is also why we all start out as Female and then change into males(as needed by Women AKA God).

This is also why Women run most households when they are protected by men in society.

Women are our superior and to beat them, men must respond with low IQ violence.

If we don't, they win out because they are better than us, that's why I'm single lol.
no. just no.
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05-07-2024, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul
Yes, they mapped out what they observed..that has nothing to do with the statements in the Bible regarding the universe & earth.

“ The universe, according to the Sumerian thinkers, consisted of heaven and earth in the shape of a cosmic mountain which floated on the sea, primeval and eternal, without begin- ”


https://www.penn.museum/documents/pu...s_of_sumer.pdf


Pls go
Lol.

That is also not true lol.

Post Sumerian scripture showing what you claim lol.



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05-07-2024, 06:00 PM
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no. just no.
Lol.

Why no?

With all the information I put out in this thread, I would think I deserve more than that, please explain.



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05-07-2024, 06:02 PM
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Lol.

Why no?

With all the information I put out in this thread, I would think I deserve more than that, please explain.
You're severly mistaken with your beliefs.
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05-07-2024, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu
Lol.

That is also not true lol.

Post Sumerian scripture showing what you claim lol.



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Notsureifserious..that link is filled with Sumerian tablets showing just that..are you trolling?

But sure..here is another source..

Hursag
The cosmic mountain. The primeval sea Nammu formed the Hursag, the cosmic mountain, formed from the unity of the sky and the earth. Our source here is the following passage: “Behind the mountain of heaven and earth the annunnaki were impregnated.”

********************/mythology-journal/understanding-sumerian-mythology-and-the-creation-of-human-7e2e2f48c54f

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05-07-2024, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe
You're severly mistaken with your beliefs.
I never said I believed it, I'm just stating human history, I have no bitch in this fight lol.
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05-07-2024, 06:11 PM
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PSA: Pictures and statue of animals are not a sign of idolatry - it's perfectly normal for humans to be fascinated by animals.

I have a picture of a horse in my living room, that doesn't mean it's my God, I just think it looks good.

Gobekli Tepe was probably before idolatry was introduced or from humans who didn't practice idolatry.
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05-07-2024, 06:13 PM
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Notsureifserious..that link is filled with Sumerian tablets showing just that..are you trolling?

But sure..here is another source..

Hursag
The cosmic mountain. The primeval sea Nammu formed the Hursag, the cosmic mountain, formed from the unity of the sky and the earth. Our source here is the following passage: “Behind the mountain of heaven and earth the annunnaki were impregnated.”

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Obv this is a vast subject, I will go into this later today or tomorrow but I doubt you will appreciate it, <3 you though Paul(srs).
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05-07-2024, 06:15 PM
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I never said I believed it, I'm just stating human history, I have no bitch in this fight lol.
Except you are continually wrong..if you are going to troll..at least put a bit more effort in it

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05-07-2024, 06:18 PM
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Except you are continually wrong..if you are going to troll..at least put a bit more effort in it

I'm not and I wil explain that to you when I'm prepared, aka not drunk, so please be patient with me sir.

You need to read about Anu, Enki and Enlil so you wil have a fighting chance upon my retgurn.

God does not like us lol.
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Obv this is a vast subject, I will go into this later today or tomorrow but I doubt you will appreciate it, <3 you though Paul(srs).
Oh I’d love to continue..it’s quite fascinating what the Sumerians believed regarding the universe..pretty laughable with what I’m seeing..happy to post more links
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05-07-2024, 06:19 PM
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I'm not and I wil explain that to you when I'm prepared, aka not drunk, so please be patient with me sir.

You need to read about Anu, Enki and Enlil so you wil have a fighting chance upon my retgurn.

God does not like us lol.
Brah, you're reading satan's fanfiction as fact
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Brah, you're reading satan's fanfiction as fact


Lol see ya tommorow bro <3
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05-07-2024, 06:22 PM
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Lol see ya tommorow bro <3
I used to be like you until I was initiated - those pagan gods are just fallen angels from the bible
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05-07-2024, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu
I'm not and I wil explain that to you when I'm prepared, aka not drunk, so please be patient with me sir.

You need to read about Anu, Enki and Enlil so you wil have a fighting chance upon my retgurn.

God does not like us lol.
Are you going to tell us about the Sumerian beliefs in werewolves?
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05-07-2024, 06:43 PM
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We’ll pick up here tomorrow..

Anu

In the Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh, Anu is persuaded by his daughter, Ishtar, to give her the Bull of Heaven so that she might send it to attack Gilgamesh. Unfortunately for the Bull of Heaven, Gilgamesh kills the beast and throws its right thigh at Ishtar’s head.

https://oracc.museum.upenn.edu//amgg/listofdeities/an

Interested to see what you will speak on this regard…



Enki

I’m really hoping you are going to claim that this is “Lucifer” in the Bible, just rebranded…but I’m gonna let you embarrass yourself with this one..



Hopefully you’ll also make the false presumption that the Tower of Babel was copied from Sumerian texts as well…that’s something I’d love to get into!

Be sure to reference Enmerkar & the Lord of Aratta.

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I used to be like you until I was initiated - those pagan gods are just fallen angels from the bible
For a very long time I did not believe in a one true God. I was sitting on the floor watching the fish and I realized this, everything is as it should be. The way the fish swim, the way plants grow. It's all by design. Even if evolution was real that's a percent of a percent of a chance that a particular thing evolves the way it does. But it's everything. Everything has a purpose. Evolution cannot account for that. And then for the first time I heard the voice. It was the same sound from my nightmares as a child. Likes giant rocks crashing from the sky. But now I actually heard the words. And what I was told was not what I wanted to hear. I don't care if anyone believes me but maybe someone will and have their own oh **** moment. Real life is far stronger than fiction. The best author or director cannot even come close. I hope this helps someone, but if it doesn't I don't care.

Some people use religion as a mask but it cannot be everyone.
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