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07-06-2021, 03:06 AM
#1171
Originally Posted By rollerball


So what the fukk is going on here with his legato and the ease of execution where his pull-offs look so minimal and effortless - is it that he has X-men powers in his hands? Super strength in his fingers?
What do y'all think his string gauge and action is?
When I try to do legato that sounds as articulate as this I have to exert some serious finger muscle and my hands tire out quickly - I can't be all "effortless" or the sound is so weak and pathetic as to be worthless. I use .10s on my Suhr with what I consider to be medium action.
After watching that for 1.5 seconds and looking at the higher frets I can tell you that guitar has insanely low action. Action and string gauge are a huge factor. Left hand economy with how high your raise your fingers along with being able to fret a note with the minimal of touches will give your that floaty "Violin" like legato.

Technique and guitar set-up. There's no way certain phrases I play could be done with thicker strings and horrible action that requires more vertical distance to fret a note.

I noticed a Shawn Lane type bebop lick there too, amazing playing. With that set-up you can just fret a note from nowhere to get that fluid legato sound. It starts to play like a piano at that point.
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07-06-2021, 10:13 AM
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After watching that for 1.5 seconds and looking at the higher frets I can tell you that guitar has insanely low action. Action and string gauge are a huge factor. Left hand economy with how high your raise your fingers along with being able to fret a note with the minimal of touches will give your that floaty "Violin" like legato.

Technique and guitar set-up. There's no way certain phrases I play could be done with thicker strings and horrible action that requires more vertical distance to fret a note.

I noticed a Shawn Lane type bebop lick there too, amazing playing. With that set-up you can just fret a note from nowhere to get that fluid legato sound. It starts to play like a piano at that point.
Hmm, I want to be able to play legato much more easily. With my current string gauge and medium action my fingers tire out so quickly - however won't there be a tonal compromise if I lower my string gauge and string height?
I remember watching a vid that suggested that heavy string gauges and good tone aren't actually conflated but I'm not sold on that yet.

I suppose I should experiment with 9s and lower action to hear/feel for myself.
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07-06-2021, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball
Hmm, I want to be able to play legato much more easily. With my current string gauge and medium action my fingers tire out so quickly - however won't there be a tonal compromise if I lower my string gauge and string height?
I remember watching a vid that suggested that heavy string gauges and good tone aren't actually conflated but I'm not sold on that yet.

I suppose I should experiment with 9s and lower action to hear/feel for myself.
Eh, sick low action and 9's will make a marginal difference in endurance over 10's with typical action. The reason why it's preferable for that style, as I'm sure you know, is because you can press super lightly and have little distance to travel to the fret, and this combination makes you able to play much faster and easier.

Faster and easier doesn't necessarily equate to more endurance. I'd even argue that since you'll be able to move faster, you'll tire even more quickly - either you have developed the fast-twitch muscle fibers enough or you haven't.

So you should do trill exercises and then 16th and 16th note triplet legato finger group exercises until you develop the stamina. Back in the day, I used to do these exercises until I'd be standing up squirming in hand and forearm pain from lactic acid build up, waiting for the timer to complete.

A few basic exercises:

Trill groups:

1/2
1/3
1/4
2/3
2/4
3/4

16th legato:

||: 1/2/4/2 :||
||: 1/3/4/3 :||

16th sextuplet legato:

||: 4/1/2/4/2/1 :||
||: 4/1/3/4/3/1 :||


Trills are easier to execute, therefore they target the fast-twitch muscle fibers better, so you should practice those a lot to start. Use the stopwatch on your phone so you don't cut any short. Then take the gains from those and bring them to the legato drills. Then move the drills into diatonic scales, vertically and horizontally.
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07-06-2021, 11:42 AM
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Eh, sick low action and 9's will make a marginal difference in endurance over 10's with typical action. The reason why it's preferable for that style is because you can press super lightly and have little distance to travel to the fret, and this combination makes you able to play much faster and easier.

Faster and easier doesn't necessarily equate to more endurance. I'd even argue that since you'll be able to move faster, you'll tire even more quickly - either you have developed the fast-twitch muscle fibers enough or you haven't.

So you should do trill exercises and then 16th and 16th note triplet legato finger group exercises until you develop the stamina. Back in the day, I used to do these exercises until I'd be standing up squirming in hand and forearm pain from lactic acid build up, waiting for the timer to complete.

A few basic exercises:

Trill groups:

1/2
1/3
1/4
2/3
2/4
3/4

16th legato:

||: 1/2/4/2 :||
||: 1/3/4/1 :||

16th sextuplet legato:

||: 4/1/2/4/2/1 :||
||: 4/1/3/4/3/1 :||


Trills are easier to execute, therefore they target the fast-twitch muscle fibers better, so you should practice those a lot to start. Use the stopwatch on your phone so you don't cut any short. Then take the gains from those and bring them to the legato drills. Then move the drills into diatonic scales, vertically and horizontally.
I think I used to do trills a long time ago and never really got anywhere with them. My biggest issue tends to be the weakness of my pink and ring fingers on my fretting hand, perhaps trilling would be good for that.

My string height might be higher than I'm indicating, for example it's kinda scary to bend the high E string any more than 1 full step due to fear of string breakage due to tension.
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07-06-2021, 12:01 PM
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I think I used to do trills a long time ago and never really got anywhere with them. My biggest issue tends to be the weakness of my pink and ring fingers on my fretting hand, perhaps trilling would be good for that.

My string height might be higher than I'm indicating, for example it's kinda scary to bend the high E string any more than 1 full step due to fear of string breakage due to tension.
Trilling is good for all fingers. Most people overlook them because they seem so basic and suck to practice at a very high intensity rate so they give up quickly, but they work. It's the very basic motion of what your hand does when it's doing legato. If you want to move them into something tangible (i.e., musical), then you have to also practice the legato groups and integrate them with scales.

What's the height of your high E from the bottom of the string to the top of the fret wire at the 12th fret?
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07-06-2021, 12:06 PM
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Trilling is good for all fingers. Most people overlook them because they seem so basic and suck to practice at a very high intensity rate so they give up quickly, but they work. It's the very basic motion of what your hand does when it's doing legato. If you want to move them into something tangible (i.e., musical), then you have to also practice the legato groups and integrate them with scales.

What's the height of your high E from the bottom of the string to the top of the fret wire at the 12th fret?
It actually doesn't seem that high when I look at it, like 2-3mm. But the string tension seems high for some reason.

Meh, maybe I just have a genetically weak left hand and should focus even more on high level picking technique.
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07-08-2021, 01:31 AM
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While we often get caught up on technique sometimes it's nice to know the whole point is making distinct and melodic music that yourself and others can enjoy.

I like this guys analysis of many songs. I stumbled randomly across his channel and this is one example of what appears to be very basic song but has some clever layering and lots of dynamic consideration with vocals and instruments.



A lot of people and mainstream pop music are drifting away from this to more image based.

Apparently the person who wrote that song did it in a few days while stuck waiting in hospital. You have to realize many of us could be stuck in a time vacuum for 1,000 years and never come up with something this clever and catchy.
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07-08-2021, 02:57 PM
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Hmm, I want to be able to play legato much more easily. With my current string gauge and medium action my fingers tire out so quickly - however won't there be a tonal compromise if I lower my string gauge and string height?
I remember watching a vid that suggested that heavy string gauges and good tone aren't actually conflated but I'm not sold on that yet.

I suppose I should experiment with 9s and lower action to hear/feel for myself.
Try 9.5's I went between 9's and 10's for years until trying them
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07-10-2021, 11:40 PM
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^too bad about the specs, it's got a neck as wide as those 2015 Gibsons. had an SG with the 1.75" nut and it just felt weird, never got used to it. it's as if there should be an extra string over the extra fretboard room lol, some sevens are that wide.

huge non-ironic fan of Small's music too, Dethklok has soooo many legit riffs. They encapsulate the 2000's melodeath sound really well.


/e in other news, I bought a Squier Toronado last month and I've really been digging it. It's like I found what I was missing from Gibsons - like an SG except it doesn't neck dive and like an LP except it's actually comfortable to rest your arm/body on. Can't believe it's not a regular production model…
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07-11-2021, 01:14 AM
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Depends on your hands. A skinny neck at the 1st fret can be even worse. My Ibanez JS came with a 42mm locking nut which always felt too cramped. There were certain voicings with an open G string that were difficult to consistently play cleanly down there because of the tighter spacing.

Of course someone with dainty little fingers would love it. New neck with 43mm locking nut solved the issue for me. Wider would have been even better but 16" radius locking nut wasn't available.
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07-11-2021, 08:49 AM
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Howdy Dominick and all others….

I haven't checked in here for a while and didn't quite know where to post this should it help others.

Well….I have the the 7-100 that's been 'flaky' in it's old age for some years so it just sat in the closet.
All the contacts were corroded with leaked battery evidence.

I found this YT video:
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AND….I found that the battery enclosures ARE available:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FGV8J1P/?tag=tdpri-20

I've ordered my (2) pack today and there are 10 left in stock.
So….all is not lost and we can bring our 'flaky' old Pignose back into the tool box arsenal.

I don't record with it but it's a great portable amp.

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07-11-2021, 09:14 AM
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Depends on your hands. A skinny neck at the 1st fret can be even worse. My Ibanez JS came with a 42mm locking nut which always felt too cramped. There were certain voicings with an open G string that were difficult to consistently play cleanly down there because of the tighter spacing.

Of course someone with dainty little fingers would love it. New neck with 43mm locking nut solved the issue for me. Wider would have been even better but 16" radius locking nut wasn't available.
that's me lol. I prefer Fender specs for width but Ibanez-like thinness as well as shorter scales so it's a bit hard for me to shop guitars. Thankfully Squier has come in really clutch for me with their 2020/21 releases.
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07-12-2021, 03:59 PM
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Thankfully Squier has come in really clutch for me with their 2020/21 releases.
Cool….

Are you getting one?

If so, a pic would be appreciated.

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07-12-2021, 05:21 PM
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Even though this is a cheap epiphone, I kinda want this axe for dethklok reasons

Pretty interesting, I'm a big fan of Metalocalypse too. Is that Brendan Small's first signature guitar? I wonder why he's getting one now, especially since Metalocalypse is no longer running. He still makes music but I feel like the hype around his new music isn't as big.
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07-12-2021, 06:10 PM
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No, this is his 3rd sig guitar from them I think, Thunderhorse (explorer) and Snow Falcon (fly V) back in like 2013. I always wished I got a snow falcon, but didn't want any cheapy epiphones in my collection. Looking back that was stupid.
Nice yeah that makes sense that he'd have an explorer called Thunderhorse. I've never been a big fan of signature guitars myself but those look pretty nice for being Epiphone.
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07-13-2021, 07:37 PM
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I started learning about a month and a half ago, using online resources and going to a teacher once a week. Things are progressing well, I have a solid grasp on the minor pentatonic scale and am starting to work on the minor blues scale. One problem I am having is I am only used to working on the pentatonic scale so I keep on wanting to play it while trying to practice the blues scale. Is it just a matter of repetition and practice before I am able to easily differentiate between the two? Any tips to make it easier?
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Hello all

I started learning about a month and a half ago, using online resources and going to a teacher once a week. Things are progressing well, I have a solid grasp on the minor pentatonic scale and am starting to work on the minor blues scale. One problem I am having is I am only used to working on the pentatonic scale so I keep on wanting to play it while trying to practice the blues scale. Is it just a matter of repetition and practice before I am able to easily differentiate between the two? Any tips to make it easier?
It's because you're trying to go too quickly and you default back to the pentatonic instead of adding in the b5 for the blues scale. Slow down. Practice makes permanent, not perfect; that is, if you practice with mistakes, then you'll get good at playing with those mistakes.
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Hello all

Things are progressing well, I have a solid grasp on the minor pentatonic scale and am starting to work on the minor blues scale. One problem I am having is I am only used to working on the pentatonic scale so I keep on wanting to play it while trying to practice the blues scale. Is it just a matter of repetition and practice before I am able to easily differentiate between the two? Any tips to make it easier?
Yep….just focus on what you're doing.
Be aware….the pentatonic can be a mental trap .
But, you've already made that observation.

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Howdy Dominick and all others….

I haven't checked in here for a while and didn't quite know where to post this should it help others.

Well….I have the the 7-100 that's been 'flaky' in it's old age for some years so it just sat in the closet.
All the contacts were corroded with leaked battery evidence.

I found this YT video:
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AND….I found that the battery enclosures ARE available:
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I've ordered my (2) pack today and there are 10 left in stock.
So….all is not lost and we can bring our 'flaky' old Pignose back into the tool box arsenal.

I don't record with it but it's a great portable amp.

Hope that helps….have a great day.
How do pignoses sound? Is it your typical small practice amp sound from the pre-modeling days?
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07-14-2021, 06:12 AM
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How do pignoses sound? Is it your typical small practice amp sound from the pre-modeling days?
Yes….on all counts.
It's a handy little dude.
I think mine came out in '74 but I can't recall exactly.

You can get a bit of distortion by turning up the Pignose volume much higher than the guitar volume.

Although I can play lead enough on my originals I don't feel very proficient/musical at it
I have others do that role on my song writing drivel.
I'm a rhythm player/song writer and have always preferred that role.
So….I'm not a big fan of thick distortion or the wall of sound chording and much prefer a cleaner rhythm sound.

If I were asked I'd call my writing genre 'coherent rock'. (links in my sig)

If you find a used one it would be a cool tool as a good practice amp or with any very small venues.

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How do pignoses sound? Is it your typical small practice amp sound from the pre-modeling days?
I just stumbled upon this video if remotely curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4f76ng49wA

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I just stumbled upon this video if remotely curious.

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I really like the aesthetics, the sound is about what I expected but useable for sure.
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07-20-2021, 08:24 PM
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I really like the aesthetics, the sound is about what I expected but useable for sure.
Well….

I just got mine back yesterday afternoon after my buddy gave it an overhaul.

Changed the corroded/broken battery case connections and it sounds damn fine.
Only a very low (which I always expect with this Pig) amount of hum that becomes unnoticeable when I turn up the volume.
That minimal hum does not increase with volume.

I suck at electricity/electronics repairs.

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08-02-2021, 09:18 PM
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Working on my slow, "soulful" playing. Here's my okay cover of the first Comfortably Numb solo. One of the notes I clearly forget to do vibrato if you pay attention and there's one or two off-key bends but the best I could do with Red Light Fever.

For some reason youtube is uploading my video in full potato video mode.

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08-03-2021, 08:22 AM
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Hey guys, I wanna share my mixtape. These are tracks from my solo work. I describe it as Pop, with influences from Disco, Funk, Groove, Rock & Roll, and synthwave/vaporwave. Thanks for listening.

https://youtu.be/ACRXfXRPqoQ
https://youtu.be/bXFdho_BsOY
https://youtu.be/Q4jYGsXeQ5Y
https://youtu.be/jrFMmP6UiqQ

Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCscou8qt-ISohJaPcO9TiXQ
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08-04-2021, 03:49 PM
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Listen to 2:42-4:15. You can so vividly hear the chord changes underneath his lines even though he's just playing single notes, I really want to be able to do that. But I can't and it pisses me off. Mike Ehrmantrout's got some serious chops.
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08-04-2021, 04:09 PM
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Listen to 2:42-4:15. You can so vividly hear the chord changes underneath his lines even though he's just playing single notes, I really want to be able to do that. But I can't and it pisses me off. Mike Ehrmantrout's got some serious chops.
Try me… I mean arpeggios. Come up with a random progression - works even better if it's not diatonic - record it and loop it. Then on each of the chords start with simple 3 note arpeggios to get the feel of it and in different places on the fretboard and then try to not just play the notes in the same order and come up with some licks but make sure you hit the first downbeat of the chord with a note of that chord's arpeggio -i.e. chord tone. If the chords are "jazzy" enough you will hear the distinct changes of chords.
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08-04-2021, 06:04 PM
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Try me… I mean arpeggios. Come up with a random progression - works even better if it's not diatonic - record it and loop it. Then on each of the chords start with simple 3 note arpeggios to get the feel of it and in different places on the fretboard and then try to not just play the notes in the same order and come up with some licks but make sure you hit the first downbeat of the chord with a note of that chord's arpeggio -i.e. chord tone. If the chords are "jazzy" enough you will hear the distinct changes of chords.
I need to start doing that stuff for real
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08-04-2021, 08:19 PM
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Listen to 2:42-4:15. You can so vividly hear the chord changes underneath his lines even though he's just playing single notes, I really want to be able to do that. But I can't and it pisses me off. Mike Ehrmantrout's got some serious chops.
Just run 3-string arpeggios over the changes he's playing:

|A7 |D7 |A7 |Emi7 A7|
|D7 |Eb°7 |A7 |F#7 |
|Bmi7 |E7 |A7 F#7|B7 E7 |

Then toss in a few tritone subs, like Emi7 to Eb7 on bar 4 like he does on the first chorus, and there ya go.

You keep saying "I wanna be able to do x" but then you don't do it and then say a month later, "I wanna be able to do y" and then don't do that. Just do it, man.

You have 4 sets of 3 strings (1,2,3 / 2,3,4. etc) learn each of those arpeggios in 5th position on one set of 3-strings. Outline the changes. Doesn't matter if it sounds like an exercise - it is one. Eventually you'll start adding in rhythmic phrasing and it will sound better. Then you'll add in extensions, subs, and chromatics and you'll be there, but you need to get the basics down first, which is making arpeggios that sound predictable.

Now do it, and don't watch David Grier playing Black Mountain Rag or something and want to be able to do that. He's doing the same thing - just in a different style.
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08-04-2021, 08:23 PM
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Just run 3-string arpeggios over the changes he's playing:

|A7 |D7 |A7 |Emi7 A7|
|D7 |Eb°7 |A7 |F#7 |
|Bmi7 |E7 |A7 F#7|B7 E7 |

Then toss in a few tritone subs, like Emi7 to Eb7 on bar 4 like he does on the first chorus, and there ya go.

You keep saying "I wanna be able to do x" but then you don't do it and then say a month later, "I wanna be able to do y" and then don't do that. Just do it, man.

You have 4 sets of 3 strings (1,2,3 / 2,3,4. etc) learn each of those arpeggios in 5th position on one set of 3-strings. Outline the changes. Doesn't matter if it sounds like an exercise - it is one. Eventually you'll start adding in rhythmic phrasing and it will sound better. Then you'll add in extensions, subs, and chromatics and you'll be there, but you need to get the basics down first, which is making arpeggios that sound predictable.

Now do it, and don't watch David Grier playing Black Mountain Rag or something and want to be able to do that. He's doing the same thing - just in a different style.
Yeah I get caught up in a bunch of other stuff and quit guitar playing for weeks at a time and then I watch some video and get inspired for a week or two. I want to be able to do this stuff but every time I try to do these exercises my brain seems to instantly glaze over and I start playing paul gilbert licks instead.

BUT I do store these notes y'all give for the day I fully commit and hunker down.

On a positive note your speed exercises seemed to have helped me increase my max bpm by like 10.
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