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08-05-2021, 02:44 AM
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Working on my slow, "soulful" playing. Here's my okay cover of the first Comfortably Numb solo. One of the notes I clearly forget to do vibrato if you pay attention and there's one or two off-key bends but the best I could do with Red Light Fever.

For some reason youtube is uploading my video in full potato video mode.

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08-05-2021, 08:12 AM
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08-14-2021, 09:54 AM
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08-20-2021, 04:51 AM
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RB, I agree with your deleted post about DT. I like Petrucci's guitar tone and the drumming but quickly skipped ahead when the vocals came in.

In other news I ditched the wood blocks and installed a Tremol-No. No plans for any whammy wankery but at least the option is there.

Check out the shoddy paint work in the trem cavity. Suhr boyos would be sending that chit back.

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08-20-2021, 05:30 AM
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RB, I agree with your deleted post about DT. I like Petrucci's guitar tone and the drumming but quickly skipped ahead when the vocals came in.

In other news I ditched the wood blocks and installed a Tremol-No. No plans for any whammy wankery but at least the option is there.

Check out the shoddy paint work in the trem cavity. Suhr boyos would be sending that chit back.

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What do you think of the Tremol-no?

I shopped that and similar devices for a couple weeks before I bought the Super Vee mag lock. I've yet to install it yet tho.
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08-20-2021, 07:30 AM
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What do you think of the Tremol-no?

I shopped that and similar devices for a couple weeks before I bought the Super Vee mag lock. I've yet to install it yet tho.
That looks interesting. What's it like with subtle bar use e.g. to "shimmer" chords?

As for the Tremol-No I haven't got a bar to properly test it out but strictly looking at it from an engineering standpoint it's not perfect. Then again there's nothing on the market to compare it to which is probably why there's no incentive to improve the design. It has to be set up precisely or it will bind and those little thumbscrews don't exactly inspire confidence. Anyway with no drilling involved I figured it was worth trying and it seems to be good enough for Guthrie on his signature Charvels.



In the end I remembered what always annoyed me with any kind of trem — springs make noise (which does come through the pickups). So I packed it with foam again, shoved a block in the back as a fail-safe, and put the cover back on. Vai who obviously uses a lot of gain packs his with foam/tissue paper.

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08-21-2021, 05:49 PM
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That looks interesting. What's it like with subtle bar use e.g. to "shimmer" chords?

As for the Tremol-No I haven't got a bar to properly test it out but strictly looking at it from an engineering standpoint it's not perfect. Then again there's nothing on the market to compare it to which is probably why there's no incentive to improve the design. It has to be set up precisely or it will bind and those little thumbscrews don't exactly inspire confidence. Anyway with no drilling involved I figured it was worth trying and it seems to be good enough for Guthrie on his signature Charvels.



In the end I remembered what always annoyed me with any kind of trem — springs make noise (which does come through the pickups). So I packed it with foam again, shoved a block in the back as a fail-safe, and put the cover back on. Vai who obviously uses a lot of gain packs his with foam/tissue paper.

I'll install it soon so I can actually give a review on it. I was mostly concerned about notes going flat during unison bends.
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08-21-2021, 09:55 PM
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I'll install it soon so I can actually give a review on it. I was mostly concerned about notes going flat during unison bends.
It's a shame the design of the Floyd hasn't improved in 30 years. The patent expired years ago.

The bridge should have a locking mechanism where the zero point is easily adjustable and when the bar is facing down the bridge is locked in that zero position. Ned Steinberger did this with the TransTrem 3 which can also transpose 5 steps. Unfortunately he was working for cost cutting Gibson who bought the brand in the late 80s and had these built in Korea. A company like Gotoh using better materials would make it even better.

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08-23-2021, 08:03 AM
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EoR, your thoughts?
Howdy Dom….

I gave it a listen.

Complex changes and great musicianship.
Mix sounds fine to me.

It's appeal?…..not my cup of tea.
Too busy, too frantic for my liking and my aural receptors are easily worn out after just one song in this genre.

Whether a song/genre appeals to me or not I can still recognize good musicianship whether I think the song has creative merit or not.
But….being 74 and a long time song writer/rhythm guitar player I've (admittedly) cultivated my own listening preferences.

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08-23-2021, 09:51 AM
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Recently bought a home, but only been there a handful of days due to current work project. Anyways, finally got some time to work on the recording room. Accent wall painted, mid-mod shelving system, and guitars hung



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08-23-2021, 10:00 AM
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Recently bought a home, but only been there a handful of days due to current work project. Anyways, finally got some time to work on the recording room. Accent wall painted, mid-mod shelving system, and guitars hung
Clean setup.

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Great looking axes….good luck with your music endeavors.

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08-23-2021, 10:26 AM
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Howdy Dom….

I gave it a listen.

Complex changes and great musicianship.
Mix sounds fine to me.

It's appeal?…..not my cup of tea.
Too busy, too frantic for my liking and my aural receptors are easily worn out after just one song in this genre.
Not my cup of tea either Wayne. I don't mind complex music but it's still got to flow.

I can admit most of the music I like is old now (pre-2000s) and it probably has to do with the way they mixed the tracks which appeals to me more along with the warmth and compression of tape vs. digital. There's a lot of brickwall limiting going on today and my ears are done after 30 seconds. "Perfect" is boring. It's all the imperfections on an old Van Halen album which is more magical than something rhythmically aligned to a grid with hundreds of takes pieced together to create a "perfect" track. It also sounds too "hi-fi." Reminds me of photography where most of what you see now is overprocessed and oversharpened to a point which no longer resembles anything you'd see in the real world and is more digital art than photography. Music can get like that for me. Another issue is a lot of music seems to appeal to people with a short attention span. Not my thing. Just watch the typical Youtuber video these days with all the jump cuts.

I love the sound of this album. Who has a drum sound like this now? And the guitar serves the song. No need to wank it up unless it's going to improve the music. Anyway just my 2 cents.

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08-23-2021, 10:54 AM
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Not my cup of tea either Wayne. I don't mind complex music but it's still got to flow.
Agreed.

Noting that personal subjectivity in this context cannot be overstated.

I listened to the Police tune.
Starting out as a drummer in bands (1970-1980) I like the sound of a crisp, properly EQ's snare.
But….what immediately jumped out at me?
The snare in this song sounds like it was recorded in a different room/environment than the rest of the band.
It's a bit too crisp in the EQ sense for my ears within the context of the whole song.

Of course, my opinion means absolutely nothing.

Here's my practice play list which are examples of songs/genres I enjoy playing along with to keep up my rhythm chops.
I have YT videos of some of them in case others may want to see how I play them.
Of course, there are others I'll take on as time goes by.
Yes….my preferences are generational ones….I'm old and my arthritic fingers are always giving me grief.

01_Stormy Monday_Allman Brothers
02_The Girl From Ipanema (not my writing style but makes your fingers work)
03_Moondance_Van Morrison
04_Pretzel Logic_Steely Dan
05_Slow Turnin_John Hiatt
06_Another Park, Another Sunday_Doobie Brothers
07_Prime Time_Alan Parsons
08_Love The One You're With_Steve Stills
09_Rikki don't lose that number_Steely Dan
10_Long Train Runnin_Doobie Brothers
11_Black Friday_Steely Dan
12_Only a Fool Would Say That_Steely Dan
13_You're Gonna Get Your Fingers Burned_Alan Parsons
14_Kid Charlemagne_Steely Dan
15_Tequila Sunrise_Eagles
16_Listen to the Music_Doobie Brothers
17_Traveling Man_Ricky Nelson
18_Do It Again_Steely Dan
19_Night Owls_Little River Band
20_Brandy_Looking Glass
21_End Of The Line_Traveling Wilbury's

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08-23-2021, 11:01 AM
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08-23-2021, 07:49 PM
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Now you're talking.

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08-23-2021, 08:15 PM
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Now you're talking.

F*ck yeah. That sounds really captures a 1970s zeitgeist type thing for me in terms of music, love those funky drums and those analog keyboards.
The guitar parts in a lot of Steely Dan songs sound somewhat unconventional to me in a great way, especially as my tastes move more and more from shred into fusion.

I really enjoyed this documentary about them on youtube.

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08-24-2021, 02:02 AM
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F*ck yeah. That sounds really captures a 1970s zeitgeist type thing for me in terms of music, love those funky drums and those analog keyboards.
The guitar parts in a lot of Steely Dan songs sound somewhat unconventional to me in a great way, especially as my tastes move more and more from shred into fusion.

I really enjoyed this documentary about them on youtube.

I wish I could have experienced the 70s as a musician because there's just something really special about that period of time where creativity, musicianship, technology, and production, along with the absence of politically correct BS created exciting art both in the studio and live.

I agree with you that they encapsulated the mood of the 70s perfectly and I like how the video described it as an aesthetic carefully curated by two perfectionists. Look at the hired guns on those albums — Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Jeff Porcaro, Chuck Rainey, Michael and Randy Brecker, Tom Scott, Wayne Shorter, Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall, and Don Grolnick. It's a shame Holdsworth wasn't on their radar given what he did with Tony Williams and Jean-Luc Ponty.

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08-24-2021, 06:17 AM
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I wish I could have experienced the 70s as a musician because there's just something really special about that period of time where creativity, musicianship, technology, and production, along with the absence of politically correct BS created exciting art both in the studio and live.
Absolutely….in all my subjectivity.

I got out of the military on 063069.
Others that influenced my taste in music: Iron Butterfly, Allman Brothers, Paul Butterfield, Steve Miller, Rolling Stones, Lee Michaels (saw him with Albert King/Fillmore West 1970).
It was an incredibly creative era in music and one that I'm glad I experienced.

Sorry….on spread with you Steely Dan fans.

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08-24-2021, 10:15 AM
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I've been a fan of The Police since I was a kid. They have had quite a few hits but still I think all 3 are underrated as musicians.

My favorite song is probably So Lonely
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I wish I could have experienced the 70s as a musician because there's just something really special about that period of time where creativity, musicianship, technology, and production, along with the absence of politically correct BS created exciting art both in the studio and live.

I agree with you that they encapsulated the mood of the 70s perfectly and I like how the video described it as an aesthetic carefully curated by two perfectionists. Look at the hired guns on those albums — Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Jeff Porcaro, Chuck Rainey, Michael and Randy Brecker, Tom Scott, Wayne Shorter, Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall, and Don Grolnick. It's a shame Holdsworth wasn't on their radar given what he did with Tony Williams and Jean-Luc Ponty.
Very well put. The 70s really did seem like a perfect storm in the positive sense for music and the arts. I often feel that I would have flourished in the 70s had that been my era.

Do you think Holdworth would have been able to fit in the Steely Dan archetype? It's kind of hard to imagine how he might be utilized in that context.
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Very well put. The 70s really did seem like a perfect storm in the positive sense for music and the arts. I often feel that I would have flourished in the 70s had that been my era.

Do you think Holdworth would have been able to fit in the Steely Dan archetype? It's kind of hard to imagine how he might be utilized in that context.
His tone (SG, low gain, etc.) and style back then was a bit more conventional and peppered with pentatonic scales and string bending along with those long legato bursts no one else was doing. In the same way they cherrypicked the likes of Larry Carlton for certain tracks I think they could have found a use for him, perhaps reined in a bit for a shorter solo on a less commercial cut.

I found this. So he was on their radar at some point and was a fan of the music.

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His tone (SG, low gain, etc.) and style back then was a bit more conventional and peppered with pentatonic scales and string bending along with those long legato bursts no one else was doing. In the same way they cherrypicked the likes of Larry Carlton for certain tracks I think they could have found a use for him, perhaps reined in a bit for a shorter solo on a less commercial cut.

I found this. So he was on their radar at some point and was a fan of the music.

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Yeah that spoiler references exactly what I was talking about in terms of how Holdsworth would "fit" in the confines of the Steely Dan template. In terms of the studio albums it would have been really f*cking cool if they had managed to capture Holdsworth and put him in some super popular Steely Dan song that became a classic.

Sometimes it seems like all the best guitar composers were in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. It seems like it's all been downhill since then.
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08-25-2021, 08:55 PM
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Here's my attempt at the first 17 bars of Coltrane's solo from Giant Steps. This chit is challenging, not like the normal shred stuff I like to play. Standard shred stuff tends to have lots of sequences and patterns that are easy to remember and aren't terribly complicated but these lines twist and turn everywhere and seem to go on and on. It's just flowing like some fountain, it's kinda crazy. It took like 10 takes to even get this completely chit take because RLF.
I also found that I couldn't really do it all alternate picking style in a way that sounded relatively smooth, the way the phrases translate to the fretboard is pretty unforgiving. Had to switch up almost constantly between alternate, sweeping, economy, and legato. The funny thing is I have a hard time seeing a guitarist play this type of stuff without having some kind of shred background.

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08-27-2021, 12:58 PM
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Here's my attempt at the first 17 bars of Coltrane's solo from Giant Steps. This chit is challenging ,
Obviously, quite a challenging piece.
You'll get there because you already know perseverance must prevail on our quest to improve.

The next video on your feed was a young kid playing it too.
He made it look too damn easy!

I'd suck at trying it.
I can play leads on my original songs drivel but I don't feel I'm that musical when I do.
But….I just want to be a good rhythm player and never was that interested in playing leads….well, because I think "I suck at it".
A couple on my play list (noted previously) were challenging for this old bird too.

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Obviously, quite a challenging piece.
You'll get there because you already know perseverance must prevail on our quest to improve.

The next video on your feed was a young kid playing it too.
He made it look too damn easy!

I'd suck at trying it.
I can play leads on my original songs drivel but I don't feel I'm that musical when I do.
But….I just want to be a good rhythm player and never was that interested in playing leads….well, because I think "I suck at it".
A couple on my play list (noted previously) were challenging for this old bird too.

Carry on….keep up the good work.
Yeah not sure how far I'm gonna take it honestly. It just goes on and on with a endless number of lines that often are very similar but not enough that you can just go autopilot like with normal shred stuff. I also wish red light fever didn't always compromise my playing, I feel that I sound like 25%+ better when not being recorded.

I have a pretty short attention span so I'm actually pleased I mapped out 17 bars lol.
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Yeah not sure how far I'm gonna take it honestly. It just goes on and on with a endless number of lines that often are very similar but not enough that you can just go autopilot like with normal shred stuff. I also wish red light fever didn't always compromise my playing, I feel that I sound like 25%+ better when not being recorded. I have a pretty short attention span so I'm actually pleased I mapped out 17 bars lol.
Ha….I hear you.

I've been writing/recording my own material for over (4) decades and can still screw up a simple rhythm phrase by over thinking it when the "red light" is staring at me.

Out of curiosity….what recording software are you using?

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Ha….I hear you.

I've been writing/recording my own material for over (4) decades and can still screw up a simple rhythm phrase by over thinking it when the "red light" is staring at me.

Out of curiosity….what recording software are you using?

Carry on….
I just recorded it on my iphone which is why the sound is pretty chitty
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I just recorded it on my iphone which is why the sound is pretty chitty
Got it.

I just got my first cell phone a couple years ago.
It's merely a pragmatic flip phone and (at 74) I find my recording software is easier to grasp.
Of course, my wife has had one of those fancy, big screen bvtches since they came out.

Thanks….carry on.
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40 years ago. Outstanding.

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Originally Posted By Wayne Evans⏩
Got it.

I just got my first cell phone a couple years ago.
It's merely a pragmatic flip phone and (at 74) I find my recording software is easier to grasp.
Of course, my wife has had one of those fancy, big screen bvtches since they came out.

Thanks….carry on.
I can't believe you still post here after all these years lol repped.
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