I think the restructure will be pretty much to get rid of the line in the contract which says next year is guaranteed if he gets hurt.

That was IMO the biggest issue why they didn't want to throw Kap out there cuz let's be honest unless a fuking miracle happens he's gone next season and they didn't want to chance paying him like $20 mil next year even with all that cap room.

IMO this means he's closer and closer to starting.

I'm not going to lie I'm curious what he can do out there in Chip's offense but I have a bad feeling we'll see other issues with Kap…like open wide receivers missed because he doesn't throw to them. Though what's worse throwing to wide open receivers and missing them or not seeing them in the first place?

Honestly a part of me would rather we stay with Gabbert as that would help us get a better draft pick to replace our scrubs.

I think this team COULD have a pretty impressive turn around if the right pieces fall into place.

If I'm going with the most realistic scenario…I just don't see Cleveland NOT having that #1 overall pick and I think Deshone Kizer is the easy choice for them. Kid has great tools and is a local kid for Ohio if he's on the board and Cleveland doesn't take him then I don't know wtf is going on over there.

Best case scenario for us while still being realistic.

1. We draft Myles Garrett to get a stud pass rusher on defense. This kid is a monster and has been super consistent. He's the next Von Miller and would be huge for this defense.
2. We do an Alex Smith like trade(2 2nd rounders) for Jimmy Garoppolo. It was a small sample size but it was a pretty darn good one. The kid was a 2nd round pick and the few years he had to learn behind Brady and Belichick are a big bonus.
3. Draft the best receiver on the board with the 3rd round pick or trade up if you have to for one. I'm still a Travin Dural fan and think he can be had in the 3rd because LSU has been awful throwing the ball this year but he's got good size and good speed.

Hope the young guys we have improve and get healthy and bring in some key free agents like Alshon Jeffrey and some others that may be available.

Get the talent back on the team and you'll see the coaches look much better. There's clearly an improvement on the chumps we had last year and while he may not be Bill Belichick Chip is a very intelligent guy who does know football. I'd like to see him coach with a decent roster first and then make the call on him.

Also the they restructure Kap's contract will either allow him to be traded or that they can cut him without losing a lot of money. Honestly they should have done this eariler. I am still curious to see if he can even produce in Kelly's offense. But jsut watching Gabbert is causing me to drink (more than normal). .

Watch Kap come in and light it up would lol hard

Part of me would be happy that we would see some fun games but then part of me would be sad ….

Has anyone watched Washington play. Is Jake Browning as good as his box sheet says he is. I've watched some CFB here and there so haven't paid attention to the QBs.

Peter King was on local radio this morning and said he thinks the reason Kaep hasn't gotten a chance yet is because he's hurt. And implied he has sources that say he knee isn't right. Is this something that you guys have heard or is known?



He has good anticipation that helps with his average arm strength. He's young so that should improve a little. Also very accurate and knows where he's going with the ball.


He's been constantly compared to Kellen Moore and there's something to it. Except a little stronger, maybe better arm. Probably will stay 4 years and will be a great college QB by then. A team in the second round at least should draft him. Won't be sexy but can be a quality starter IMO.

Pretty much why I thought he hasn't replaced Gabbert. He had a few surgeries in the offseason and I don't think he's up to his playing weight.

Good to know, thanks.

Hearing all this news about Kap's contract getting restructured. Once again the FO was trying to screw him out of playing and injury money they contractually signed what, 2 years ago. It's no wonder why guys like AD and Kap don't like the FO. I don't blame them. I don't know if Kap is injured but I don't think he is. He may not be at his old weight and may be still rusty from his offseason that never was but I don't think he is injured. Also, no way he plays in Buffalo, won't get a snap. Wanna know why, cause Gabbert will suck it up in Buffalo, Chip can name Kap starter after that, because then we have a home game AKA a game where Kap is back and the seats will be filled. And if he does well, (could easily) beat Bucs at home then another home game follows. No way Baalke or York is allowing Kap to potentially play bad in Buffalo and not reap the rewards of his "comeback" when he starts for first time in a year.

i don't have any issue with the team trying to restructure his deal and not want to play him and suddenly owe him all of next year's salary if he gets hurt. Yes they signed him to that contract but let's be honest he hasn't been worth that money he's getting.

Holy sht man. You think the team is trying to screw Kaep? You think…the team…is tying to screw Kaep?

The front office is definitely to blame for many things, but it's business. God damn. You guys are about to turn me into Dan.

The front office not "the team." aka Jed, Baalke, and Paraag. Don't try and dispute the fact that they aren't fans of the dude. That they tried to run him out of town with a yes man HC, who went along with the ****tiest OL ever last year, Kap playing while he was injured, and propping up their guy Gabbert to come in and save the team so they could get rid of him. Well it backfired cause they were stupid enough to sign him to the original contract that INCLUDED AN INJURY GUARANTEE ONLY TWO YEARS AGO. Every ****ty thing about this team has been brought on solely by the front office. In what world would Kap or anyone want to play for the FO after having this happen to him? Open your eyes, he may not be the talent he once was but he's better than Gabbert and the only people who don't realize that or choose to ignore it is the idiots running the team the guy plays for and people who hate him for their own personal reasons. Being the #1 QB should be a talent based and who's going to put you in best position to win decision. The only way this will realize to be true is if Kap somehow comes in and performs worse than Gabbert, and even then that's after he missed a whole offseason. If the guy sucks let him go but don't not let him play because you're afraid he might get hurt. What other players are they not letting play because god forbid they get injured in the sport of football and are owed some money while they're not playing, Did they not let Bowman? Buckner? Armstrong? Ward? play? We just signed Tank to an extension but oh **** he's got a toe injury? Should've held him out from playing too.

I get that Kap makes more money, but let's not pretend QB isn't usually the highest paid position, that he didn't play well before the contract, that he didn't sign a team friendly contract to sign others (who then weren't signed), that he did legitimately get injured, that his contract isn't that high relative to other QB's, and that we aren't loaded with money cap space wise.


Let's ask ourselves this question:

The last 15-20 years who has been the best QB on the 49ers? Who was playing QB when we went to the SB, the NFCCG the following year?

Look I get it, Kap regressed, he isn't what we thought he was going to be, but if you think the last year was a fair shot for the guy you and I are never going to agree on that, regardless of his skill level, what it was, is, and will continue to be.

How would we know if he isn't playing? That's the point. I'm fine with restructuring his deal but Trent and Jed need to have some transparency about this whole thing and say you know we ****ed up (at least according to Colin's play last year, which wasn't what we expected but given that we tried to get the guy killed with that OL you know maybe it wasn't just his fault and he shouldn't be run out of town). We didn't give the guy a fair shot and now we want to see what he is made of. But look at how bad that looks on them, especially considering they signed the contract originally.

Says to stop with Harbaugh stuff, then rants about Harbaugh.

Face it, Harbaugh is a big part of this teams history, as short lived as he was. He's gonna get talked about.

**** Kap, put in Ponder.

As long as its not Gabbert I don't care who we put in. Watching him miss easy, open throws is so frustrating.

I think we differ the most is…I'd much rather go 76ers than Raptors. We put Kaep in and what? Win three more games. What's the advantage? He isn't going to resign regardless even if somehow he became anywhere decent enough to turn around the very poor current relationship with FO and locker room.

I would rather ponder as it will not come with the circus Kaep will and it's safe to say he isn't taking us anywhere either. Gabbert sucks but that's the current situation.

If people bring him up and act like he would've mage chicken salad out of this chicken chit of a team then yeah I'm going to speak my mind.

Harbaugh did a great job here but he came into a pretty good situation and his passion definitely rubbed off on the team and got them playing at a high level but my issue with him was what happened when we lost some talent and other teams caught up to Kap and our offense. Let's be honest Delanie Walker made that offense so impressive in 2012 because it allowed us to line up in 2 TE sets and the defense had no ideas whether we were going to run or throw the ball. We lost Delanie and had no deep threat without Moss but kept trying to run the same offense and it just didn't work.

You want to compare Harbaugh to great coaches well there's no way in hell a guy like Bill Belichick keeps doing chit that is no longer working just because it worked before. The pats offense has changed a ton since he's been coach and it's clear he can adjust on the fly. Harbaugh was too stubborn in his chit and it affected the team.

If he just fired Roman and changed things up I would've loved to keep him around. He didn't and it was time to move on.

I'm with you on that. Yes a part of me is curious to see how he'd look running this offense but not at the cost of fuking up our future.

Let's be honest there's maybe like a .1% chance that Kaepernick is going to be our QB for the future. We know it won't be Gabbert and we know it won't be Ponder unless he pulls some Kurt Warner type chit(odds of that happening are 0.0001%) so are we as fans really that excited about 2-3 extra wins if Kaepernick starts(if that even happens) and find ourselves picking outside the top 10 in a top heavy draft class which could potentially have some very intriguing QB prospects?

To me a top 2 pick this year guarantees a chance at a blue chip franchise player in Deshone Kizer and Myles Garrett - two positions we need the most QB and elite pass rusher. Draft is a crapshoot and we've all seen elite prospects fail before but I'd rather we have the opportunity to select one of those studs and hope for the best than win a couple of more meaningless games and watch them go to division rivals or other teams. It remains to be seen what Jared Goff can do in the NFL and so far not so good but we won our last game last year vs the Rams…what did that change? It gave the Rams a pick high enough where they could trade up for who they believed was a QB of the future while we saw the top 2 QBs go off the board before our pick. There's no doubt in my mind had we lost that game that we'd be drafting Goff or Wentz at #5 overall. Now I was very happy with Buckner at #7 and I think he'll be a terrific player for us long term but a 3-4 DE even if he turns out to be as good as JJ Watt doesn't change your franchise as you can see from the Texans lack of success.

Totally beating a dead horse here but we need a QB and there are no excuses for Baalke with a top 2 pick this year. I doubt we'll wind up with a top 2 pick because i think we're still a better team than a few others but to me I'd rather lose and get the better draft position and improve our odds of getting franchise players who can help us win long term. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way but that's how I see it. Give me short term failure with long term success any day. And honestly how successful is winning 6-7 games instead of 2 anyways?

I was with you bro but Kap lost me. Good for him for trying to do his protest thing and get other people to join but I can't help but wonder how much studying up on that he did vs football study.

Kap is definitely a smart dude but he needs to show he can process info quicker on the football field. It's why everyone who has ever worked with him says he's very intelligent and is great at breaking down film/chalk board but on the field it's not translating.

Any of you guys watch the show Ballers? There was a seen on there where a college prospect goes on the Jay Glazer show and Jay asks him to do a whiteboard play breakdown and the dude freezes. Well he comes back after a break and tells Jay exactly what needs to happen in rapid fire but says when he sees a whiteboard/chalk board his brain shuts down and he can't process it the same way as he would on the field. To me that was the anti Kap in a sense.

There are plays Kap can do which only a select few QBs in the game can do but he needs to get consistent with all other standard chit. Not missing open receivers, not feeling pressure when it's not there, staying in the pocket and moving around and letting th play develop, getting better reads on the defense and finding holes in zone and being more in sync with his guys. Sometimes he's on point but where Gabbert has him beat is in that department…unfortunately Gabbert can't get the passes to the right spots even though he knows where he should go for a given play vs a certain defense.

It's frustrating and it's annoying. This kid had all that talent and he basically wasted it. IMO he got caught up in his early success and the humble dude we heard about when he was drafted turned into someone else and he hasn't been able to find his way back. Dude needs a change of scenery and the 49ers need to find someone else and not hope that Kap can fix his chit.

gaddaaamn. we so bad even the browns say "damn dey bad".

hope we destroy the bills next week or ppl aint takin us srs no more.

Who in their right mind took us serious heading into this season?

I can see that being the case and I can relate. I know it's not the same sport but playing soccer in the midfield, some things make a lot more sense when you're actually on the field. Your mind can go blank or everything can be a lot more clear.

I don't know what happened to Kaep, when he stepped in he had more confidence to hit anyone on the field. His biggest flaw was his lack of touch on his passes.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/...8?sf38491758=1

Don't know much about him… Another body. Hopefully he works out.

Idk why you have such a strong hatred for Harbaugh. We had the best team in the last two decades with him. He's clearly one of the best football coaches on in the world. You and a few others in this thread are the only people in the world that think that he's not a great coach.

He's good but not great. He had good talent to work with but got out coached several times. He's closer to Andy Reid than Belichick.

This. He does a great job with some things but too stubborn and hot headed to succeed long term in the NFL imo. Roman had no answers once the league caught up with us and we lost some guys in free agency and Harbugh acted like there were no issues there. And I question his eye for talent when he lets guy like Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman go in the draft having great insight on them as players.

Only way he would've stuck around was if they gave him full control of the roster….would've been Chip Kelly with the Eagles all over again.

Gabbert out, Kaep in

Not that I am really excited about all of this. Even though a change i needed. I find it funny that Gabbert was currently leading all QB's with rushing attempts and yards.

Remember that is Gabbert and he looks so awkward trying to do it. Kap can run so I am really curious to see if Kap can manage that. Also really curious to see if Chip does anything different with this offense.

wish i could get excited about the qb change but nothing has kap done recently to make you feel otherwise.

and its a huge coincidence to see his contract get reworked and named starter.

It also looks like Garrnet will be starting at RG this week. I thought Tiller was doing pretty good. My guess is that they want to fix the run game and Garrnet is better at it? Who know but I like seeing some shuffling around.

Honestly there is no way we could have traded him because of how his old contract was. Now it is a lot more friendly (IMO). Either way I expect to see him gone either traded or cut. Who knows maybe he will be better than Gabbert, and that isn't saying much because Gabbert was not good.