That loss against MSF makes it look like they'l likely play tiebreakers.


Either they're advancing 1st or losing tiebreakers and getting 3rd. That's my prediction after week 1

lul IMT getting their angus devoured by Archie the Viet Urgod

though it's tilting to watch GAM doing 1-3-1 while having no flashes, and Flame + Xmithie just sit there waiting for all their inhibs to be taken

that IMT implosion lol. So much for them being the best looking team from NA

Imt wasn't the best looking NA team, esp bc of Cody sun. Boy did he shiet the bed though. If this was as big as NFL he would be under review for intentionally losing for profit. I think I seen him flash into the enemy team like 2-3 times atleast, onetime he used trist r to rocket a guy into xmithie who then Insta died lmao.

IMT needs to get rid of Cody Sun, I felt like he was there biggest weakness all of groups. He's so inconsistent I don't get it.

The Pick Ban against Fnatic was stupid as fuk as well. They banned out all the junglers for xmithe, EVEN I Knew they were gonna pick Rek Sai since he was one of the few last good junglers left, but he picks Ezreal Jungle. Who really offers nothing, the team comp for the 2nd game was horrible.

The first Game they blew it blowing all their Ults on Naut and Cody sun flashing into their whole team.

Lmao @ IMT. Didn't care for them anyway. C9 and TSM were our only NA hopes.

one NA team down, two to follow


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edit: called 3rd

lol tsm eliminated again in group stage… lmao

Just lmfao.

This TSM team is straight trash. Need a new jungle and, imo, a different coaching staff. TSMs strategy is the same every game: get to late game. it works in NA because teams are garbage tier, but they get exposed every year at worlds when teams push them early game.

Not even a Korean team in this group just lol

Lol. I'm done being a tsm fan after this worlds. Can only be a cuck so long. How is parth still the coach?? Maybe tsm picks up trick?

dlift ****s the bed yet another worlds. can't be disappointed if i knew this was going to happen from the start.

tsm sucks

drop sven -> had a chance, lost it.
drop dlift -> had a chance, lost it each worlds, ever.
drop partha -> mentally challenged with his drafts. don't give me this "oh it worked in scrims bs". the world's week 2 meta is early game snowballing and all tsm does is week1 lategame drafts. playing off meta is for GAM

they could drop bjerg too at this point considering he doesn't do jack sht at worlds the last 3 years so TSM might as well pick some rookie midwho at least has the chance of having balls and won't come up with excuses each year. id have respect for the rookie at least

If i don't deliver at my job i'd get likely fired. Performing at worlds is delivering for TSM. TSM can't deliver at their job and who are the pillarstones of TSM? bjerg and partha……or is TSM a charity club. probably is actually

They should change the whole squad besides haunzter and bio.

A solid reddit comment:
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Amazaing in EU: Aggressive early Jungler
Amazaing in NA with Bjerg: Hes does nothing just like a ward

Santorin in EU soloQ: Nida one trick that invades a lot
Santorin in NA with Bjerg: He does nothing just like a ward

Svenskeren in EU: Agressive early Jungler
Svenskeren in NA with Bjerg: He does nothing just like a ward
—

Also Bjerg wins the Dade award this tournament. Bot got trashed largely because enemy mids roamed while Bjerg sat and did nothing mid all tournament long

Fukking lol at NA. Just lol.

EU are absolute garbage tier this season and still massively outperforming NA.

Lol NA.. when will they learn

As a C9 fan, I really wanted TSM to make it out. I think they would've done really well in quarter finals. TSM's strength has always been in best of 3's or best of 5's. Seems to me this has allowed them to dominate in the NA LCS but look exposed in groups.

I also couldn't understand why the Ryze pick so many times. He was 3 of their 4 losses iirc

Oh well, last hope still in C9. Save the best for last

Good point. Does bjerg really bring THAT much value to TSM when you consider he reduces their jungler to a living ward? IMO no

He's the only constant on the team over the years that has been plagued with the exact same problem every worlds.

Top: dyrus, hauntzer
jungle: amazing, santorin, sven
adc -> wt, dlift
support -> xpecial, lustboy, gleeb, yellowstar, biofrost
coach -> locodoco, weldon, parth


this year was the the first worlds i didn't have expectations and the first world that I didn't watch the matches live. I'm definitely going to take a step back from my TSM fanboying and look for other teams to support. Maybe i'll watch vods of lck since I don't watch live anymore anyways. Might as well watch the best region and see if there's any personalities/teams worth investing to there.

gotta disagree. TSM drafted and played around Double this worlds, and Sven didn't particularly favor Bjerg at all in his pathing. in fact, the problem was largely Sven's inability to read to exert pressure even when he had winning lanes or good assist. if you're thinking about the first blood where PoE roamed to kill Hauntzer, Bjerg had to recall previously from getting roamed on by the Misfits botlane.

the last draft was also awful from parth. to me he flexed the jayce because he saw how much WE destroyed them with it and figured it'd be strong top too, but bramble vest is a thing now. not a counter at all nowadays and gets outscaled hard. hauntzer also built wrong; he rushed dirk then started building BotrK when he realized he needed sustain to actually win the lane past first back. not that it would've mattered because he got camped and Sven had absolutely nothing to show for it.

also worth noting there were serious gaffes in how TSM actually laid down vision; both times Hauntzer died he had a false sense of security from having two pinks and two greens bot side but they weren't placed to cover potential gank routes. not moving the bot river bush pink is a super common soloq mistake but TSM did it too.

in general TSM got ****ed because they have no early game macro. no sven teamming up with winning lanes to lay down vision and invade; no coordinated map pressure to enable rotations/ganks, poor ability to read enemy jungler (probably due to the first two not being done), reacting to enemy moves instead of identifying what should be prioritized. even though they didn't get walked over in lane like wild card teams do they still had consistent early game deficits from just losing map control and objectives. the meta isn't the better mid solo killing the worse mid.

maybe the problem is that bjerg is trying to shotcall from mid and he can't do it properly, or that he wants to be louder than everyone else. but import junglers doing poorly is not a TSM phenomenon (hello Reignover/Chaser; nevermind Santorin-level junglers like Kirei/Proxcin/Shrimp). and insofar as individual gameplay goes Bjerg played largely as he should have.

/e yes he's the constant over the years, but NA is trash relative to the world and will never sniff a Korean team so it's not like other organizations are doing things TSM hasn't figured out. as in, dumping Bjerg because he can't make it out of group stage or stand up to the top teams of the world implies there's a mid who would get them closer to that objective. there's isn't anyone that fits that profile, not even close.

I agree with you partially. I strongly think their best chances of success would be investing heavily into a world class coaching staff. hire 1-2 head coaches from korea like c9/imt did. I think bringing back weldon + some solid korean coach (same way c9 did with reapered and IMT with their korean coach). A 10/10 coach can make a bad team great. a mediocre coach will keep a good team from becoming great. c9 and imt both went from looking helpless to looking great, ignoring imt's ****ting the bed the other day. Then place parth back into being an analyst, bring in a second korean analyst, and loco back as an analyst. I think loco is/was actually great as an analyst where he has no power and only provides gametheory input

Like to provide an unrealistic exaggerated example, I bet if you put khoma on team liquid, they'd qualify for worlds (top 3 na) with their current roster. but put locodoco to coach the same roster…

It would be dope if TSM could somehow recruit some oldschool retired Starcraft player turned coach (Boxer, etc)

Will north america ever be good at worlds? I don't really care anymore so i imagine i'll not post much anymore after I get over TSM disappointing me yet again.

This so fking much. This was the first year where i didn't watch TSM play their games b/c i already had low expectations

Just rewatched their last 3 games and i'm still disappointed. Their early game is absolute trash

hahaha TSM getting absolutely REKT in by far the easiest group at worlds. I love it so much. Enjoying the salt mine in the LoL subreddit.

C9 NA's last hope once again LUL.

Best case scenario they make it out and draw WE. Maybe if RNG draws Misfits and basically auto-advances, C9 can upset WE, them miraculously upset RNG. Then proceed to lose 0-3 against Korea in the finals 4Head

Almost Wizard, I think t hey can take down WE tbh, and if Samsung wins (which is unlikely but "if") they could take down samsung since they're super inconsistent.

ayyyy C9 our last hope once again

inb4 LZ draw and 0-3

edit We actually drew WE, is the dream alive boyos?

C9 was pretty lucky that SKT was able to comeback against EDG in the last match. They probably would have lost to them in the tiebreaker.

Parth already quit as coach. Call me prophet

We did it boys.

Group stage showed how underrated early game comps are, seems like every time a team went with an aggro 3 lane push strat it paid off.

C9 should go all out early. Sneaky by far did his best on Cait. Impact is best on carry tops, he should flout the control top meta and go for a snowball champ like renekton. Jensen on orianna or syndra, something he can shove lane with too. Contractz on lee. Win by 25 or lose

I honestly see this as the only viable strat to win for C9. Or at least has the highest chance of wining and they have all the skill to pull it off. That's after WE that is. I think they have a good shot at beating WE even if they take it to late game. Any other team though… They don't have the macro… Proved by just letting Huni destroy their base while they had no idea what to do.

On a different note I think RNG can actually pull off a hyper aggro early game comp that can beat SKT if they were to face off against each other. Which I am assuming is the likely. RIP EU.

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