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09-20-2021, 08:24 AM
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I'm assuming the prices are higher than normal due to shortages and whatnot?
It's been a while since I've looked for used gear and got a surprise.

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I kinda like the whole dual humbucker tele thing, I'm hoping it would still retain some of that "woody" tone I associate with teles. Either a dual humbucker tele or a strat with humbucker in the bridge position will likely be my next electric.
With the right pickups it sounds great. I've always wanted the clarity of single coils but a little fatter and without the hum. I ended up with a neck pickup in the bridge and a really low output humbucker in the neck. That really compressed, honky mid hump thing hotter humbuckers in the bridge do is what I was trying to get away from and ditto for too much mud in the neck. You can always add compression and gain with the amp, pedals, etc. but you can't take it away from a hotter pickup. Just my 2 cents.

I posted this a while back with Mike Landau. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Extremely dynamic. I believe this custom shop Strat has Lollar Imperials (probably low wind) in it. I've also seen Jimmy Herring playing a white Strat with the same pickups.

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09-20-2021, 12:57 PM
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Maybe try Scuffham S-Gear Amps
Dude I downloaded the 10 day trial of the full product. I seriously can't believe how good this sounds it blows GarageBand out the water. I may need to buy the full version. This sounds incredible for an amp sim. I just wish they had more effects like Wah and stuff. This can make an incredible practice tool and useful for late night playing. The distortion tones especially blew me away man. Great suggestion.
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09-20-2021, 02:01 PM
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My Squire Contemporary tele RH is dual humbuckers. That thing is a metal guitar for sure
I would like a tele that's both capable of gnarly metal and cool jazz tones.

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With the right pickups it sounds great. I've always wanted the clarity of single coils but a little fatter and without the hum. I ended up with a neck pickup in the bridge and a really low output humbucker in the neck. That really compressed, honky mid hump thing hotter humbuckers in the bridge do is what I was trying to get away from and ditto for too much mud in the neck. You can always add compression and gain with the amp, pedals, etc. but you can't take it away from a hotter pickup. Just my 2 cents.

I posted this a while back with Mike Landau. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Extremely dynamic. I believe this custom shop Strat has Lollar Imperials (probably low wind) in it. I've also seen Jimmy Herring playing a white Strat with the same pickups.
Hmm, perhaps a high output hummy in the bridge and a low output hummer in the neck? I think I've historically always used high output PUs until I got my Suhr and I tend to really prefer the Suhr tones over my other guitars in terms of clean and OD (although not quite as much for full on metal tones).


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Dude I downloaded the 10 day trial of the full product. I seriously can't believe how good this sounds it blows GarageBand out the water. I may need to buy the full version. This sounds incredible for an amp sim. I just wish they had more effects like Wah and stuff. This can make an incredible practice tool and useful for late night playing. The distortion tones especially blew me away man. Great suggestion.
Yeah Scuffham has been heralded for awhile as a top tier amp plugin.
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09-21-2021, 04:18 AM
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Hmm, perhaps a high output hummy in the bridge and a low output hummer in the neck? I think I've historically always used high output PUs until I got my Suhr and I tend to really prefer the Suhr tones over my other guitars in terms of clean and OD (although not quite as much for full on metal tones).
What would be interesting is a high output bridge HB with a series/parallel switch on a 5 way, toggle, or push-pull. In parallel it'd balance nicely with the low output neck for more single coil like rhythm tones and in series you'd have a searing, super compressed humbucker with a juiced up mid range for solos.
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09-21-2021, 07:40 AM
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What would be interesting is a high output bridge HB with a series/parallel switch on a 5 way, toggle, or push-pull. In parallel it'd balance nicely with the low output neck for more single coil like rhythm tones and in series you'd have a searing, super compressed humbucker with a juiced up mid range for solos.
That sounds very appealing. Although at the same time tbh I've never really felt that anything accurately simulates the sound of a single coil in the neck position of a 22 fret strat.
I want that tele sound, I want that humbucker sound, but I also want that strat single coil sound - is this impossible to find in one swiss army type guitar?
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09-21-2021, 08:30 AM
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That sounds very appealing. Although at the same time tbh I've never really felt that anything accurately simulates the sound of a single coil in the neck position of a 22 fret strat.
I want that tele sound, I want that humbucker sound, but I also want that strat single coil sound - is this impossible to find in one swiss army type guitar?
It doesn't exist but you can compromise and get close enough. Guthrie designed his HSH Charvel to be versatile and cover a lot of sonic territory. Ditto for Pete Thorn with his 22 fret HH Suhr. Some might say those guitars are a jack of all trades master of none.

Single coils have a certain magic but then so do humbuckers — Larry Dimarzio made a nice living capitalizing on that in the 70s and 80s and then came EMGs. There are times where that Strat neck can sound plinky and anemic and that's why they step on Klons and Tube Screamers to fatten them up. The sound of a PAF in the neck can sound creamy and liquid but at other times a muddy mess. I'm convinced it takes the right amp, a few wiring mods, and being in touch with those volume and tone knobs. Watch the best trying to wring every drop of dynamic range out of a plank with 6 strings whether it's Mike Landau, Jeff Beck, or Andy Timmons, and they're riding that volume control.

The closest I've come to reaching the promised land is using a couple of low output humbuckers with the right treble bleed along with a few wiring tricks. I've got coil splitting on a push-pull but I never use it. Parallel can be useful with a hotter pickup as explained earlier but a push-pull can only switch it on and off for one pickup and I'm using the other one for something else — coil splitting is the easier wiring solution there. I've seen partial splits done like PRS used on a David Grissom model to thin out a muddy humbucker without completely killing it. At the end of the day you've got to find a happy medium. I love the clarity of single coils but I can't live with the noise so I compromised.
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09-21-2021, 09:25 AM
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09-21-2021, 09:57 AM
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09-21-2021, 11:32 AM
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It doesn't exist but you can compromise and get close enough. Guthrie designed his HSH Charvel to be versatile and cover a lot of sonic territory. Ditto for Pete Thorn with his 22 fret HH Suhr. Some might say those guitars are a jack of all trades master of none.

Single coils have a certain magic but then so do humbuckers — Larry Dimarzio made a nice living capitalizing on that in the 70s and 80s and then came EMGs. There are times where that Strat neck can sound plinky and anemic and that's why they step on Klons and Tube Screamers to fatten them up. The sound of a PAF in the neck can sound creamy and liquid but at other times a muddy mess. I'm convinced it takes the right amp, a few wiring mods, and being in touch with those volume and tone knobs. Watch the best trying to wring every drop of dynamic range out of a plank with 6 strings whether it's Mike Landau, Jeff Beck, or Andy Timmons, and they're riding that volume control.

The closest I've come to reaching the promised land is using a couple of low output humbuckers with the right treble bleed along with a few wiring tricks. I've got coil splitting on a push-pull but I never use it. Parallel can be useful with a hotter pickup as explained earlier but a push-pull can only switch it on and off for one pickup and I'm using the other one for something else — coil splitting is the easier wiring solution there. I've seen partial splits done like PRS used on a David Grissom model to thin out a muddy humbucker without completely killing it. At the end of the day you've got to find a happy medium. I love the clarity of single coils but I can't live with the noise so I compromised.
The sound that escapes me is that neck position strat clean sound - I just can't seem to recreate even with my Charvel which has a single coil in the neck position but it's a 24 fret guitar. I want those crystalline spanky cleans ala Gilmour or SRV.
From what you're describing it seems that it really isn't possible to have a no-compromise strat neck tone in the setups I was suggesting.
I think I might have to sell my Suhr Modern Pro and get a Suhr strat with a hummer in the bridge.
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09-21-2021, 11:34 AM
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and not a single arpeggio was seen that day. lmao.
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09-21-2021, 12:24 PM
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The sound that escapes me is that neck position strat clean sound - I just can't seem to recreate even with my Charvel which has a single coil in the neck position but it's a 24 fret guitar. I want those crystalline spanky cleans ala Gilmour or SRV.
From what you're describing it seems that it really isn't possible to have a no-compromise strat neck tone in the setups I was suggesting.
I think I might have to sell my Suhr Modern Pro and get a Suhr strat with a hummer in the bridge.
I'm not a fan of where a 24 fret neck puts the neck pickup because it compromises the tone. It does shave some mud off a neck humbucker.

Let's face it the only way to get that Strat neck sound is with a Strat. That's the recipe. It's funny how a notorious tight ass who was more concerned with saving money than tone perfected a design for that sound. It hasn't been bettered and probably never will.

However this is just one person's opinion but when I hear that sound I love it when it's clean through a loud Fender amp but when gain is added it can sound a bit plinky and thin. That's where the Tube Screamer comes in but I can definitely see why someone like Andy Timmons uses a stacked humbucker in his Ibanez. It has more meat to it to carry solo lines in that style of music and also balances nicely with the bridge humbucker. HSS can be tricky in terms of getting the output balance right.
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09-21-2021, 12:31 PM
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I'm not a fan of where a 24 fret neck puts the neck pickup because it compromises the tone. It does shave some mud off a neck humbucker.

Let's face it the only way to get that Strat neck sound is with a Strat. That's the recipe. It's funny how a notorious tight ass who was more concerned with saving money than tone perfected a design for that sound. It hasn't been bettered and probably never will.

However this is just one person's opinion but when I hear that sound I love it when it's clean through a loud Fender amp but when gain is added it can sound a bit plinky and thin. That's where the Tube Screamer comes in but I can definitely see why someone like Andy Timmons uses a stacked humbucker in his Ibanez. It has more meat to it to carry solo lines in that style of music and also balances nicely with the bridge humbucker. HSS can be tricky in terms of getting the output balance right.
It's pretty amazing how many things Fender got right - the fact that we're still using the same strat, tele, and fender amp designs to this day is seriously remarkable. A twin reverb still has some of my favorite cleans.

I can see how output balance would be an issue. Are low-output hummers still capable of tight, percussive metal tones?
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09-21-2021, 12:41 PM
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Are low-output hummers still capable of tight, percussive metal tones?
Good question. I'd like to think it would still sound good in the mix but on its own? Probably not the best tool for the job. Then again metal guitarists will often use a pedal with some kind of high pass filtering to tighten everything up and with a lower output pickup that might not be necessary.

Not metal but what made AC/DC's tone so good was the blend of Malcolm's Gretsch with a Filtertron strung with 12 gauge strings and a wound third going into a low gain (by today's standards) plexi and Angus' SG with the lighter strings and wireless system adding more gain and compression. Together it was perfect. There's a reason why bands covering their songs never sound as good. They use too much gain. So layering guitar tracks for metal could benefit from a similar approach. Too much gain starts to sound like sludge anyway no matter how heavily it's gated.
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09-21-2021, 12:58 PM
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and not a single arpeggio was seen that day. lmao.
See 10:20 I was mistaken it’s more of a pedal point idea

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09-21-2021, 01:01 PM
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Good question. I'd like to think it would still sound good in the mix but on its own? Probably not the best tool for the job. Then again metal guitarists will often use a pedal with some kind of high pass filtering to tighten everything up and with a lower output pickup that might not be necessary.
I think it would also depend on what you deem, low output.

A 10k still has plenty of punch and would kick the front end of an amp. Much below that and you'd need a boost to compensate.

Having built guitars for 8 years now, the differentce between a 14k and 18k is minimal, but between a 9k and 13k is huge.

I would stay in the 10-12k range for 'low output' and forgo the boost. Personally, I like a 14-16k in the bridge and not having to put anything in between the amp and guitar, other than to color the sound a bit.
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09-21-2021, 02:46 PM
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See 10:20 I was mistaken it’s more of a pedal point idea
you need to get out of your comfort zone more often, you seem live in the 120bpm zone

170bpm, 4 notes to a beat is, imo, the minimum speed you should be practicing in order to increase your shredding
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09-21-2021, 02:52 PM
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you need to get out of your comfort zone more often, you seem live in the 120bpm zone

170bpm, 4 notes to a beat is, imo, the minimum speed you should be practicing in order to increase your shredding
Ive been taking a closer look at theory concepts today. I took private lessons for the better part of a year when I was 21. My teacher taught me almost every theory concept you can think of. But I've hardly done any practical application.

Just refreshing my mind on modes and how they're used within a given key, also some improv techniques regarding the minor pentatonic.

I don't have any kind of structured practice routine. I'll look up some shred type licks on youtube right now and grind it out with a metronome. I find that when I learn new shapes though it always seems jarring trying to figure out how to use them in an improvisational context since I'm trying to remember a shape.
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09-21-2021, 03:03 PM
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Ive been taking a closer look at theory concepts today. I took private lessons for the better part of a year when I was 21. My teacher taught me almost every theory concept you can think of. But I've hardly done any practical application.

Just refreshing my mind on modes and how they're used within a given key, also some improv techniques regarding the minor pentatonic.

I don't have any kind of structured practice routine. I'll look up some shred type licks on youtube right now and grind it out with a metronome. I find that when I learn new shapes though it always seems jarring trying to figure out how to use them in an improvisational context since I'm trying to remember a shape.
I approach practicing shred mechanics from a functional perspective, not necessarily creative. I will specifically focus on the aspects of technical playing that are challenging - such as crossing strings cleanly and having a very uniform and stable pick attack at all times.

The faster one goes generally the less creative they are simply because the average brain does not produce musically intelligible improvisation at like 200bpm with 16th notes.
Even the best jazz improvisational masters generally top out at around 150bpm for pure improvisation. Players like Holdsworth, even as inventive as he was, did use a lot of preconceived sequences when he started really cooking.

I think your improvisation is your strong point but imo don't try to limit your shred practicing based on how fast you can improvise.
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I approach practicing shred mechanics from a functional perspective, not necessarily creative. I will specifically focus on the aspects of technical playing that are challenging - such as crossing strings cleanly and having a very uniform and stable pick attack at all times.

The faster one goes generally the less creative they are simply because the average brain does not produce musically intelligible improvisation at like 200bpm with 16th notes.
Even the best jazz improvisational masters generally top out at around 150bpm for pure improvisation. Players like Holdsworth, even as inventive as he was, did use a lot of preconceived sequences when he started really cooking.

I think your improvisation is your strong point but imo don't try to limit your shred practicing based on how fast you can improvise.
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09-22-2021, 08:50 AM
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That guy is pretty much Michael Schenker on roids.
Players like that are a bit more challenging to copy, imo, than players like Paul Gilbert or Vai because of that type of blisteringly fast bluesy phrasing. I can hear why he appeals to you, he's got that 70s/early 80s vibe and tone but with sharp modern technical ability.

He's got a very mobile, fast picking hand and terrific mix of picking and legato. You already kinda play in that style just in slow-motion.
Which goes back to the metronome - as I've said before you gotta actually start practicing in faster tempos. At points that dude goes way above 200bpm with 16th notes.
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Love these oldschool, bendy prog ballad solos

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Love these oldschool, bendy prog ballad solos

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lol it's so emotive and emo-ish, I appreciate the melodrama.
let's hear one of your new compositions.
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lol it's so emotive and emo-ish, I appreciate the melodrama.
let's hear one of your new compositions.
They're all in Guitar Pro bro.. I'm going back home soon after a year abroad, back to my suhr, strat and axe.. Hopefully get that fire burning again and record some chit. I also used to have an insta account with a bunch of videos and even gathered a nice number of followers and then those reptilian kunts deactivated it.. Kind of demotivated me a little cause my youtube is dead so now I have nowhere to post my chit but misc where I (deservingly) get chat on for my vibrato..
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They're all in Guitar Pro bro.. I'm going back home soon after a year abroad, back to my suhr, strat and axe.. Hopefully get that fire burning again and record some chit. I also used to have an insta account with a bunch of videos and even gathered a nice number of followers and then those reptilian kunts deactivated it.. Kind of demotivated me a little cause my youtube is dead so now I have nowhere to post my chit but misc where I (deservingly) get chat on for my vibrato..
Why did they deactivate a musician instagram account? Were you trolling other account's posts and chit? I got a couple instagram accounts deactivate for talking too much chit to people lol.
Just start a new one imo, your music is atypical yet it sounds good so it should find an audience again I'm thinking. I specifically like your chit before you started wanting to become some kind of prog rock hero, your earlier stuff had this dope almost cinematic soundtrack feel to it.
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Love these oldschool, bendy prog ballad solos

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I missed the memo. When did string bending on an electric guitar become old school?

Give me that over rapid fire jizz that sounds like MIDI.
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I missed the memo. When did string bending on an electric guitar become old school?

Give me that over rapid fire jizz that sounds like MIDI.
Lol. Nothing makes one feel older than realizing you like dinosaur music
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I missed the memo. When did string bending on an electric guitar become old school?

Give me that over rapid fire jizz that sounds like MIDI.
I’m with Dom on this one
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09-23-2021, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball
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I've been looking at Faulkner's technique in youtube slow-mo. Here's my attempt at a couple of them, sorta.
He does a lot of economy picking with hammer-ons and pull-offs. He sprinkles in fast hammer-on/pull-off triplets constantly in his pentatonic phrasing which my left hand has a hard time with stamina-wise and I'm not even attempting the fast bends and other cool fast nuanced phrasing he does. I throw in a few of those triplets in the beginning super slow and then a bit following the sloppy Gilbert-y stuff.

He also does this cool economy picked two note per string repeating motion that is something like below that I'm attempting around 0:21. I'm not using the note choices he's using but I think it's easy to map it out with this position of the pentatonic. It's cool in that it's basically one down stroke and one upstroke that produces four picked notes.

-^–v–v–^–^–v–v–^—-
15-12——–15-12———-
——-14-12——–14-12—


Thanks man, I’ll take a closer look at it. I’m on spread with you. Appreciate it
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09-23-2021, 07:12 AM
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Why did they deactivate a musician instagram account? Were you trolling other account's posts and chit? I got a couple instagram accounts deactivate for talking too much chit to people lol.
Just start a new one imo, your music is atypical yet it sounds good so it should find an audience again I'm thinking. I specifically like your chit before you started wanting to become some kind of prog rock hero, your earlier stuff had this dope almost cinematic soundtrack feel to it.
Not really trolling but I was commenting the truth on some things.. My plan was to write ridiculous chit on political or social posts and then people are shocked, visit my channel and are like ohhhh this ******* has cool music.. Didn't really work.. Lost contact info of so many sloots as well, what a tragedy..

Originally Posted By Dominik
I missed the memo. When did string bending on an electric guitar become old school?

Give me that over rapid fire jizz that sounds like MIDI.
I don't know, sounds old school, don't hear solos like that no more…
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Lol. Nothing makes one feel older than realizing you like dinosaur music
Tosin Abasi and Tim Henson’s music doesn’t appeal to me at all but they are technically proficient with their instruments to be sure
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