Are you guys still behind Chip Kelly? If you don't can this dude this year pepper your angus.

The sad part is a lot of our youth isn't good. Eric Reid is not playing well at all, Tank and Harold never do anything but give up plays, and Robinson is falling victim to injuries. We don't know what we have in Redmond but he could very well be another ACL failure. Who knows. Smelter prolly isn't ever gonna play football so he's out of the picture.

Garnett remains to be seen, Burbridge? And Driskell and Kelvin Taylor we let go and they got picked up. Mike Davis hasn't done anything but neither has anyone in the run game.

Buckner and Armstead and Ward play well but are young and banged up. Patton is ok but nothing special and Ellington is always hurt.

Pair all of the above with the fact that we have no solid vets and we have the disaster QB situation and injuries all over defense. Half of the defense is backups right now and they were backups on a team with basically no talent already and now they play the whole time pretty much. Bellore and Wilhoite are the starting LBs? Aaron Lynch hasn't done anything and I don't see him playing much compared to Tank, Harold, and Brooks who also do nothing. Bethea gives up plays all over the place. Purcell sucks. Brock is decent. Reaser is not very good. We can't tackle for ****, the defense has no physical presence and attitude and the offense is lacking in the run game which in turn hurts the pass game. On top of that we don't have great playmakers at WR or TE and the QB play is not really even a decided position at this point.


Not only has Baalke crippled the roster, he has picked sub par talent for the future. He needs to go because if he drafts next year and makes his typical weird FA moves (or lack thereof) we're stuck in the same hole and digging ourselves deeper and deeper in it. Baalke needs to go, we need to heavily invest in some positions in FA and need to draft much better talent and position wise next year to even have any chance of winning, regardless who is coaching or playing QB.

^indont think I could have said it much better.

The team is performing worse than last season. Then again Tomsula didn't have to deal with an idiotic locker room cancer QB

4 more games and it's Ponder's turn

Don't think anyone got mad, just weren't sure what we had at the time.

Potentially some guys may still be up in the air and could still show something but time is running out.

I think on D we'll be good with Armstead and Buckner as they mature and stay healthy. Ian Williams was a big loss and it remains to be seen if he can get back on the field and to his old self.

At LB is where our major questions come in

Aaron Lynch is solid(just needs to avoid suspensions)
Everyone else unfortunately now is a question mark even Bowman as we don't know how he'll look when he comes back.
We have no legit well rounded player on the other side of Lynch(fuking Aldon) and we don't have another stud who can play all 3 downs next to Bowman.

In a 3-4 if your linebackers are weak you're going to get killed.

Our secondary will be ok if we can improve the front 7. We have some quality players to work with there. Safeties rarely look good when the front 7 is a mess. I do think we should look at a premier corner in FA though.

I think the thing that would fix this team the quickest would be to be in position to draft Myles Garrett and trade for Jimmy Garoppolo. Then sign Alshon Jeffrey and a top corner in free agency and look to draft or sign another ILB to help Bowman inside.

My ideal draft pick is Deshone Kizer but then we'd still have to find a quality pass rusher. Garrett is basically the next Von Miller and would make our D beastly again and we know Garoppolo can play at this level.

It's easy to blame the secondary but you know the front 7 are playing bad when your top two tacklers are your safeties. We're gonna need a really good draft and I don't trust Baalke anymore.

I don't know if it's Hyde, scheme, or the OL but the running game just looks stale. The defense is so soft, I miss when they used to put fear on the opposing offense even with average talent. They look like a college team on the road, especially in the second half.

I'm a firm believer all NFL head coaches need 3 years to develop his team. Not 6 games.

Baalke needs to go. He has drafted nothing but role players at best the past few years. I tried to stick up for him as long as I could but I'm done.

I guess. I needed to see the talent under a different head coach before I believed.

I agree with most of everything you said. Don't think we need a corner though.

Top PFF #49ers grades from yesterday:
Offense: Patton 74.3, Staley 74.1, Brown 74.0
Defense: Brock 83.4, Dial 79.7, Armstead 74.7


Surpised Brock played that well. All this shows is that we have a few players playing ok, but we are lacking in way to many places now.



Bottom PFF #49ers grades from yesterday:
Offense: Kaepernick 44.1, Beadles 39.1
Defense: Reid 36.6, Wilhoite 31.2

Then we see this…. Kap isn't that great but once the Bills stopped the run they were able to rush much harder and that pretty much killed the offense. But that doesn't matter when you defense is getting ran over every single play.

What happened to Eric Reid? I don't watch many of your games but I thought he was a good young player.

Not sure…. Hard to focus on just him right now but when I do he seems hit or miss right now. As you know having a good front 7 makes your secondary look/play a heck of a lot better. Sadly we have no front 7. Because of that they are getting beat. Not sure if they are playing weird coverages or just doing weird plays/packages out their. For the most part I really do like the young guys that we have. They just need to develop but on the flip side having such a bad front 7 won't help them a whole lot if they are getting beat up on.

I think Reid was helped by having great players around him. Now that he doesn't have any great players around him he's getting exposed. I guess he was more average then we thought he was.

I think our corners are fine, just need a pass rush to help a little. But then again teams aren't going to test the secondary as much if they can run for 300 yards on the ground.

Top 3 least talented team in the League (and possibly declining next season)

- Reid: above average
- Hyde: above average

The 2 Oregon defensive lineman……LOL. Maybe sneak into a pro bowl in their career down the line but there is absolutely no signs of these guys being franchise players


Baalke has really gutted this team with his poor drafting and it should cost him his job after the season.

Baalke and Paraag Marathe need to get the hell out. Paraag is the Chief Strategy Officer & Exec. VP Of Football Ops and he does not know anything about football. He got into this job because he is friends with Jed. Those to are basically involved in handling the roster, picks and other things. Paraag uses some magical formula to help evaluate draft picks.

I know a lot of people are not hot on Chip but I cannot put any blame on him for coming into this dumpster fire. I would be very happy to see some change in the front office but sadly I do not think we will see it.

That's interesting, I did not know that.

Not sure if it was mentioned in here or WebZone but Brian Billick coming in at some kind of capacity as an outsider would be helpful. But that's basically throwing out desperation from the outside as a fan

Ultimately Baalke drafted A-LOT of projects and off the top of my head I can't remember any panning out. That should be fireable. Regardless of the "early retirees" that we were hit with. 2 draft classes later there is no signs of him replacing those guys. I really don't want him making our Top 3 pick.

I forgot all about him too until I read another article about him. Then I remembered…. Yep like you said we have a few that guys that "could" be good… Other than that we have nothing.

Is it Ponder time yet?

Thought the game looked ok and manageable first half. Second half was a disaster. I'd love to put the blame on the defense but the offense didn't score points as well. Kap missed Kerley for an easy TD and had several errant throws. The Torrey Smith TD was also a terrible throw but luckily Torrey bailed him out on that one. That's not the type of mistakes a veteran makes. Also pass rush second half was nonexistent. Maybe our guys are only practicing to play half a game?

Eric Reid is not above average. Absolutely terrible in deep coverage, or coverage in general, average at best in run coverage, and whiffs on blitzes when he is able to actually get to the QB. I dunno if it was the concussions or the level of players around him but he has proven to be worse than we all hoped for.


I can't think of anything better for this organization than getting rid of Baalke and Paraag.

Probably have to give him at-least a few more games otherwise a portion of the fan base will have a meltdown.

Reading WebZone, some people actually expected Kaepernick to not only improve the offense but even excel because "he finally will have time behind center compared to last season"

I think you're being too harsh on him. A lot of breakdowns in coverage were miscommunications(though I still haven't seen yesterday's game) but the concussions have impacted his game which is a shame. But as has been said before its very hard to evaluate DBs behind a chit front 7.

A little early to trash Armstead and Buckner no? Armstead is in his 2nd season and playing with a bum shoulder and Buckner hasn't played half a season yet. They'll be fine as long as they stay healthy.

Wonder if we should slowly move to a 4-3?

Armstead, Dial, Buckner, Lynch would be our starting DL with Dorsey, Purcell and Blair rotating in.

Hodges/Belore would be our middle linebackers

Move Tartt to a hybrid LB like Buchanan is with Arizona.

Brooks and Eli would compete for the other LB spot.

Normally I would be against this but something needs to happen.

May not be a terrible idea but if we were to make a switch we may want to sign someone like Kewann Short to play DT. I think Buckner or Armstead may not be a great fit inside but one of them could go outside(Buckner probably) and Armstead can move inside. Would be a better fit for Carradine too.

how long before Oneil gets the axe?

Would be pointless to fire him now imo. Anyone watching can see coaching won't fix much. May give us a slight boost but nothing that will fix the season like it did for Buffalo.

it was more of a tongue in cheek comment but with how chitty this team/org has been… why not add to the fire?


however, the amount of 100yard rushers is mindblowing

Awful. Such a far cry from us totally shutting down the running game with only the front 4.

While agree it would be nice to see the front office actually do something or act like they are trying to fix it.

I never thought we would reach the level of how bad we were in the Alex Smith pre Harbaugh years but we may have in fact surpassed that level of sucking.

Need to do something and since we have better DL then we do LBs I think we should at least try it. Whats the worst that can happen??? We give up 200 yards rushing? Heck that's an improvement!!!

At least having 4 DL would occupy 4 OL rather then the three they are occupying now which lets one or two OL go free to block our LBs. Probably would need to bring in a true 4-3 OLB to help ease into it.

I'd say 2004-2005 were definitely worse. Right now we at least have some youth/injuries as far as excuses for chit play go. Those years we just didn't have chit for talent outside of an aging Bryant Young.

Unfortunately guys we may be fuked for a while until the team is sold or we just luck into some good draft picks which end up turning things around.

We're the new Raiders. Ownership which nobody respects. Team that nobody really wants to play for unless we give them way more money than anyone else. Constant coaching changes…bad bad way of doing business.

Right now we have to pray that whomever is the GM next season KILLS the draft and free agency. We legit cannot afford any early round busts/non starters or poor free agent class.

If we drop the ball again we're officially the raiders because we will have a top 10 pick. Anything can happen but looking at our schedule right now I see 4 winnable games. Bucs at home, @Dolphins, @Bears and Jets at home. I have 0 shame in saying I hope we lose out. Top QB on the board or Myles Garrett get us that impact player. I'd almost lean towards Garrett because he's more of a sure thing.

For any of you who don't watch college football….



He needs to work on his run D but dude has insane pass rush ability. The burst, the different moves…stud as long as he stays healthy.

Then trade for Garoppolo. People are worried about the Pats connection but to me it's a plus to see a kid who has worked with Belichick and Tom Brady. This isn't Matt Cassel. This is a kid who was a highly regarded QB prospect in his own right and the highest QB the Pats have drafted since Drew Bledsoe. The shoulder injury happens to anyone who falls wrong when tackled by a 300 lb Dlman…just like Alex Smith did back in 2006 I think. He's fine now.

Garoppolo in his limited time on the field showed good decision making, quick delivery and good poise in the pocket. It was a short sample size but if anything that may help in draft compensation(assuming the pats even want to trade him). Maybe he'll never be a Tom Brady but he could be a Tony Romo and we can hope that he has a better playoff track record. I would do an Alex Smith like trade for him and not look back. Whether it's Chip Kelly or someone else I think he can fit any scheme.

Garrett + Garoppolo would be a franchise saving move IMO. So go Cleveland and every opponent we face the rest of the season.