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05-19-2016, 06:25 AM
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GJ OP, miring hard...
Can you please post detailed diet plus workout routine
If it has been posted my apologies.
Can you please post detailed diet plus workout routine
If it has been posted my apologies.
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05-19-2016, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted By AlwaysInternet⏩
where is the aftermath pic with same lighting, pose and location?Feel bad for guys who dont think this is...
You asked what you can do to shut the nay sayers up, I told you.
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Which one of you *******s posted this pic on another forum asking whether this could be a natty transformation?
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not natty
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You cut body fat and gained massive amounts of muscle. How did you do it OP? Trainers hate him!
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Originally Posted By Rojoh⏩
Completley forgot, was going to do it this morning when i woke up but was late for work and rushed out.where is the aftermath pic with same lighting, pose and location?
You asked what you can do to shut the nay sayers up, I told you.
You asked what you can do to shut the nay sayers up, I told you.
Originally Posted By PeteJonesHTX⏩
Link?Which one of you *******s posted this pic on another forum asking whether this could be a natty transformation?
Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
I have said how i did it,its all been in this thred, no secrets, everybody on this forum has the knowledge just cant stick to it.You cut body fat and gained massive amounts of muscle. How did you do it OP? Trainers hate him!
05-19-2016, 11:40 PM
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Dude I cut 20 lbs of fat before and did not change that significantly.
You gained like 20 lbs of muscle while cutting.
You gained like 20 lbs of muscle while cutting.
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05-19-2016, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted By liftersize⏩
Well if i gained 20lbs of muscle id of lost 40lbs of fat which isnt the case at allDude I cut 20 lbs of fat before and did not change that significantly.
You gained like 20 lbs of muscle while cutting.
You gained like 20 lbs of muscle while cutting.
05-20-2016, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Zoool⏩
I will do a picture tonight, wont be same lighting but will be the same anglecan you post pics from other angles? the non natty claims might be down to the lighting etc, or you really bloated up for the before pic?
otherwise for that time frame ...
otherwise for that time frame ...
05-20-2016, 12:21 AM
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202 bodyweight 20%+ bodyfat
5 lbs at least will be bloat when you first start cutting with that physique
197 bw
ending bw 183
14 lbs lost of fat
Should be 13+% bodyfat but looks 9% bodyfat. You decide
5 lbs at least will be bloat when you first start cutting with that physique
197 bw
ending bw 183
14 lbs lost of fat
Should be 13+% bodyfat but looks 9% bodyfat. You decide
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05-20-2016, 12:28 AM
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What're your cutting macros like
05-20-2016, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Cheeched⏩
Wtf that mean?todd turned into chad
Originally Posted By liftersize⏩
Maths kinda make sense i suppose, maybe im 13%bf i might just look leaner, i still have fat on my lower abs its not really tight skin.202 bodyweight 20%+ bodyfat
5 lbs at least will be bloat when you first start cutting with that physique
197 bw
ending bw 183
14 lbs lost of fat
Should be 13+% bodyfat but looks 9% bodyfat. You decide
5 lbs at least will be bloat when you first start cutting with that physique
197 bw
ending bw 183
14 lbs lost of fat
Should be 13+% bodyfat but looks 9% bodyfat. You decide
Originally Posted By Lighten923⏩
Average day is just a 40 40 20 every few days ill either do a 50 35 15 then some days a 20 50 30, just carb cycle but nothing religious, just as and when i feel its necessary and things are slowing downWhat're your cutting macros like
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
ITT: Typical misc idiots who have never been lean so they don't have a clue that it makes you 'look' as though you're gaining muscle.
OP stated his time frame at 4 months which is 16-17 weeks, most natty contest preps are 16-20 weeks why are you idiots so disillusioned as to what can be done on a proper diet in that timeframe?
Honestly it's fuking sad that it's as easy as taking an unflattering before picture and taking a nicely angled photo with downlighting for an after picture after a contest prep and all the beginners come out screaming non natty.
Always the guys with chit physiques and no experience under their belts that are the know it alls on this forum.
OP stated his time frame at 4 months which is 16-17 weeks, most natty contest preps are 16-20 weeks why are you idiots so disillusioned as to what can be done on a proper diet in that timeframe?
Honestly it's fuking sad that it's as easy as taking an unflattering before picture and taking a nicely angled photo with downlighting for an after picture after a contest prep and all the beginners come out screaming non natty.
Always the guys with chit physiques and no experience under their belts that are the know it alls on this forum.
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Originally Posted By AaronBlackstock⏩
Oh, will you look at that. We are only missing Natty Graham ITT and we would have the entire Fantastic 4 ******* group. Lying about being Natty and covering each other together in every thread, must be nice to be part of a cult like that.Great transformation, really does make so much difference being lean, not that the non lifting *******s would know anything about that. He must take gear he looks better than me. Get your ass off the computer and try it yourself!
Guys, no matter what you respond with, or what you post in these kind of threads,EVERYBODYknows you are juicing. It isnt even funny anymore, and you probably just joke about it and try to rustle people nowadays. Just in case you guys are legit thinking anybody eats your ****... they dont lol.
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Dude, you look great. But I can see why many are skeptical here. Now it's hard to tell in pictures, especially that "side twist in great lighting" thing you got going on there, but it looks like you gained muscle on a cut. Like you literally had no chest in the before shot, and now you have a thick, full, striated set of pecs. Don't give me the whole "if I was on gear, I'd be bigger" spiel, that means absolutely nothing. Could be the angle and lighting. Or you could be just another one of the many liars in the fitness community.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
I honestly have no idea who these guys are, and i dont know natty graham.Oh, will you look at that. We are only missing Natty Graham ITT and we would have the entire Fantastic 4 ******* group. Lying about being Natty and covering each other together in every thread, must be nice to be part of a cult like that.
Guys, no matter what you respond with, or what you post in these kind of threads,EVERYBODYknows you are juicing. It isnt even funny anymore, and you probably just joke about it and try to rustle people nowadays. Just in case you guys are legit thinking anybody eats your ****... they dont lol.
Guys, no matter what you respond with, or what you post in these kind of threads,EVERYBODYknows you are juicing. It isnt even funny anymore, and you probably just joke about it and try to rustle people nowadays. Just in case you guys are legit thinking anybody eats your ****... they dont lol.
How is it so hard to believe that this isnt legit? What do i get out of lying about it, if i could get tested i would but dont know how or how much it would cost.
Also the side twist is a mens Physique pose which im competing in, no point doing a double bicep if im not doing bodybuilding show.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysInternet⏩
First of all, i never said anything about you.I honestly have no idea who these guys are, and i dont know natty graham.
How is it so hard to believe that this isnt legit? What do i get out of lying about it, if i could get tested i would but dont know how or how much it would cost.
Also the side twist is a mens Physique pose which im competing in, no point doing a double bicep if im not doing bodybuilding show.
How is it so hard to believe that this isnt legit? What do i get out of lying about it, if i could get tested i would but dont know how or how much it would cost.
Also the side twist is a mens Physique pose which im competing in, no point doing a double bicep if im not doing bodybuilding show.
But now that you have gone that way: yeah, you are full of ****. I dont know nor i care what your intentions for lying are. Could be just to rustle people, or to sell e-routines/diet plans, because you are bored, because you are a pathological liar, because you are doing a social experiment, because your little brother stole your pictures and posted them online claiming to be you and claiming natural, for reps, or because a guy is pointing a gun at your head telling you to claim to be natty.
There are so many possibilities of why could you be lying, but honestly, thats irrelevant. The fact is, you are full of ****.
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05-20-2016, 01:41 AM
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Using OP's stats in the FFMI calculator -a scientific or at least accepted way, of judging a physique.we get the following results:
OP's FFMI = 22.5, (Height 6'0, weight 183lbs and 10%BF)
If we use his on stage stats, then we get an FFMI = 21.9 which is even more realistic.
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/f...ass-index-ffmi
Here is an accepted scale:
FFMI Under 19: DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
FFMI = 19: Average Male
FFMI = 22-23: Experienced Natural Bodybuilder
FFMI = 24-26: Maximum Natural Bodybuilder Potential - assuming world class 99th percentile genetics
FFMI Over 26: Steroid-Enhanced Bodybuilder
(Taken from Vitruvianphysique youtube channel)
OP falls comfortably within the range of an acceptable NATURAL Athlete.
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OP's FFMI = 22.5, (Height 6'0, weight 183lbs and 10%BF)
If we use his on stage stats, then we get an FFMI = 21.9 which is even more realistic.
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/f...ass-index-ffmi
Here is an accepted scale:
FFMI Under 19: DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
FFMI = 19: Average Male
FFMI = 22-23: Experienced Natural Bodybuilder
FFMI = 24-26: Maximum Natural Bodybuilder Potential - assuming world class 99th percentile genetics
FFMI Over 26: Steroid-Enhanced Bodybuilder
(Taken from Vitruvianphysique youtube channel)
OP falls comfortably within the range of an acceptable NATURAL Athlete.
Mirin hard! Sweet transformation in my opinion.
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Originally Posted By ViagraOverdose⏩
4 MONTHSUsing OP's stats in the FFMI calculator -a scientific or at least accepted way, of judging a physique.we get the following results:
OP's FFMI = 22.5, (Height 6'0, weight 183lbs and 10%BF)
If we use his on stage stats, then we get an FFMI = 21.9 which is even more realistic.
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/f...ass-index-ffmi
Here is an accepted scale:
FFMI Under 19: DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
FFMI = 19: Average Male
FFMI = 22-23: Experienced Natural Bodybuilder
FFMI = 24-26: Maximum Natural Bodybuilder Potential - assuming world class 99th percentile genetics
FFMI Over 26: Steroid-Enhanced Bodybuilder
(Taken from Vitruvianphysique youtube channel)
OP falls comfortably within the range of an acceptable NATURAL Athlete.
Mirin hard! Sweet transformation in my opinion.
OP's FFMI = 22.5, (Height 6'0, weight 183lbs and 10%BF)
If we use his on stage stats, then we get an FFMI = 21.9 which is even more realistic.
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/f...ass-index-ffmi
Here is an accepted scale:
FFMI Under 19: DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
FFMI = 19: Average Male
FFMI = 22-23: Experienced Natural Bodybuilder
FFMI = 24-26: Maximum Natural Bodybuilder Potential - assuming world class 99th percentile genetics
FFMI Over 26: Steroid-Enhanced Bodybuilder
(Taken from Vitruvianphysique youtube channel)
OP falls comfortably within the range of an acceptable NATURAL Athlete.
Mirin hard! Sweet transformation in my opinion.
The number doesnt mean ****, that calculator is used only to know when somebody is juicingfor sure. A skinny fat, semi experienced lifter like OP could go on a strict diet and do a winstrol+medium dose of test+anavar+arimidex cycle and lose a ****load of fat while gaining a decent amount of muscle and still be way below the "natural athlete" range lol.
People can do steroids without ending up like muscular Rich Piana freaks FYI, just as how people can do steroids and be on fat fuks do you even lift status. Blows my mind how simple is to understand this yet how so many people think weight means **** when judging a physique juicing status.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
This information puts me in the middle range for experienced natural bodybuilder, why is that so hard to belive?4 MONTHS
The number doesnt mean ****, that calculator is used only to know when somebody is juicingfor sure. A skinny fat, semi experienced lifter like OP could go on a strict diet and do a winstrol+medium dose of test+anavar+arimidex cycle and lose a ****load of fat while gaining a decent amount of muscle and still be way below the "natural athlete" range lol.
People can do steroids without ending up like muscular Rich Piana freaks FYI, just as how people can do steroids and be on fat fuks do you even lift status. Blows my mind how simple is to understand this yet how so many people think weight means **** when judging a physique juicing status.
The number doesnt mean ****, that calculator is used only to know when somebody is juicingfor sure. A skinny fat, semi experienced lifter like OP could go on a strict diet and do a winstrol+medium dose of test+anavar+arimidex cycle and lose a ****load of fat while gaining a decent amount of muscle and still be way below the "natural athlete" range lol.
People can do steroids without ending up like muscular Rich Piana freaks FYI, just as how people can do steroids and be on fat fuks do you even lift status. Blows my mind how simple is to understand this yet how so many people think weight means **** when judging a physique juicing status.
4 months is 120 days its a long time, especially considering ive been lifting for 7 years and have been in similar shape in the past.
This is not an unrealistic transformation, this is how they should look, this is what hard work looks like, and this is what can be achieved if you learn to train properly and never miss a meal and never cheat on your diet, like myself.
05-20-2016, 02:00 AM
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Not natty unless you had that size in the past i.e. muscle memory.
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Hes not natty dude,dont even start with that. The guy had no muscle under that fat,anyone that is smart can tell you YOU CANT BUILD MUSCLE ON A CUT! He lost 30lbs of fat and gained 20lbs of muscle AT THE SAME TIME? Thats not plausible in the least.Not natty unless you had that size in the past i.e. muscle memory.
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Originally Posted By KobeB24⏩
he had a ton of muscle underneath that pile of fat. before he had his star tats he was already jacked. im confused as to how he let himself get that out of shape thoughHes not natty dude,dont even start with that. The guy had no muscle under that fat,anyone that is smart can tell you YOU CANT BUILD MUSCLE ON A CUT! He lost 30lbs of fat and gained 20lbs of muscle AT THE SAME TIME? Thats not plausible in the least.
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Nice job. Slow controlled reps rather than ego lifting is the key to results, most people lift for years or decades and they never figure that out. +1 for keto too.
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Originally Posted By CottonHam⏩
Yes muscle memory played a big part in all this.he had a ton of muscle underneath that pile of fat. before he had his star tats he was already jacked. im confused as to how he let himself get that out of shape though
I stopped lifting for about 6 months, had time off, lost motivation and just eat what i wanted when i wanted, it happens man, and its happend a few times.
This time it wont, going to try and win my first show ever. will go from that first pic to winning a men's physique show in 5 months. pretty impressive if i pull it off i must say.
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