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Thread: Just watched doco on Hiroshima, God dam Americans.

post 1444071431 05-25-2016, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted By 5htp⏩
Lots of people who were beaten, abused and raped as children learned how to triumph over adversity and became successful in life. So let's abuse the chit out of our kids to build their character ayyy lmao.

There's honestly no bigger cope on this earth than how people try to rationalise these nukes. If one innocent American is killed by ISIS there's people literally crying on TV and demanding revenge. But 200,000 innocent Japanese murdered and decades of birth defects and radiation poisoning and it's all, "well their nation became economically successful afterwards so maybe these nukes were just the leg-up they needed!"
Shrug

If Japan nuked us then won the war I'm sure they'd write it as a moral necessity too

And maybe they'd be right

War is just inherently phucked up
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
Proof that history is written by the victors. You just create a story, teach it to your citizens, and 70 years later they'll all be regurgitating it verbatim to anyone who will listen as if they are totally convinced it's the truth. Plebs gonna pleb.

interesting theory brah.
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Really? I watched the exact same documentary and thought "wow, the Ameribrahs didn't just mindlessly nuke and kill 140,000 people" the documentary made it out to be well justified. They warned Japan saying that they would bomb the fk out of them if they did not surrender, but the Japanese were insane and preparing for all out war. Training little girls to stab soldiers with sharpened sticks, really? Many more people would have died if the bomb wasnt dropped
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
Proof that history is written by the victors. You just create a story, teach it to your citizens, and 70 years later they'll all be regurgitating it verbatim to anyone who will listen as if they are totally convinced it's the truth. Plebs gonna pleb.



interesting theory brah.




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who was nanking? who was korea? just google the word nanking and see what the japanese soldiers did to the chinese. they were more savage than the god damn nazis. they made gruesome killings of innocent man,women,and children a sport.

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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
You guys are just making stuff up. Brohistory. lol



Source:http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/...an-stalin-did/

Just lol if you don't think that a Soviet buildup in Asia and the impending Cold War weren't the drivers to use "the bomb" in Asia. Truman had a lot going on, and the least of his problems was the actual situation in Japan. He managed to justify the spending on Manhattan project, impress the Russians, and give Americans and Japanese one fine story they could go forward with all with one decision (i.e. drop the bombs).
Japan had an offered proposal of peace on the table when their ships left for Pearl Harbor, that hurt their "peace talks" credibility just a lil' bit, that and also their crazy kamikaze bullchit and consistently observed suicidal tendencies in the face of capture.

They had turned down unconditional surrender offers before we dropped the bombs, we warned them we had a next level bomb and were going to use it. IDGAF if they decided (too late) to start talking about how fukked they were as a nation only during/just after they pushed us to drop them. There was a lot of time before that, they left it too late.

The US called for the unconditional surrender of the Japanese armed forces in the Potsdam Declaration on July 26 1945, the alternative being "prompt and utter destruction". While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six") were privately making entreaties to the still-neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms more favorable to the Japanese


We are still using purple hearts today that were made in preparation for the invasion of mainland Japan. That chit would've been nasty for all parties involved and the Imperial Japanese were sneaky little fuks with a twisted moral/honor code.
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Originally Posted By conner50⏩
I don't know about that. The results of that paved the way to their massive economic and scientific advancements. Due to the fact that they no longer focused on military, and instead focused on their economy.
Just lol at justifying the use of nuclear weapons. brb let's nuke all the poor countries in the world so that they can focus on economic growth. Mind = boggled.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
We are still using purple hearts today that were made in preparation for the invasion of mainland Japan. That chit would've been nasty for all parties involved and the Imperial Japanese were sneaky little fuks with a twisted moral/honor code.
A couple million purple hearts at that, lol if you dont think invasion was on our mind. But lets not end the war with 2 final blows, lets put our navy at risk during typhoon season, fanatical bonzai charges, unit 731, suicide instead of capture etc..
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LOL at some of the comments in this thread...People die in war, better them than us...
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post 1444086121 05-25-2016, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By MA5Bergey⏩
Feel bad? Look up Unit 731.
Then look up a good psychologist.
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Originally Posted By sv722⏩
Just lol at justifying the use of nuclear weapons. brb let's nuke all the poor countries in the world so that they can focus on economic growth. Mind = boggled.
It's Misc Economics 101 brah. First you drop a nuke, then you impose a nationwide ban on fapping and hot showers, and finally all females are to be required to respond to texts from admirers within 24 hours or else face a firing squad.
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Japan ruthlessly attacks china, Russia, and united states.

USA attacks Japan. Most evil people on the planet...


Indians's and Mayans kill and enslave their victims. No remorse for tribes that were taken over. Killing all men and taking women and children. Even eating their hearts for spiritual purpose.

USA takes over land and colonizes it. Most evil people on earth..... giving Indians's land and money which no Indian tribe will have ever done.



Bunch of butthurt ****gits hating on the greatest country alive. Even helped those cuck brits survive after beating them years ago.
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The reason I think they didn't want to do a mainland invasion, was the loss to American lives would be quite substantial.

You have to think.... the Japanese know there home how to take advantage of camouflage, hiding spots, areas to avoid etc. The Americans would be essentially going in blind.

The Americans found out that later in the Vietnam war on just how big geography can play into tactics.

Bombing given the circumstances was justifiable
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post 1444089171 05-25-2016, 09:38 AM
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The Japanese did disgusting things leading up to and during WWII. Absolute atrocities. Other posters have pointed it out but what they did in China alone is enough to justify destroying anything and anyone involved in and supporting their actions. If you potatoes want to cry about civilian casualties how about you cry for the 100% innocent civilians who were raped and murdered by the Japanese throughout Asia?

Why would we Americans put our own people through that type of **** when we could simply show our power by dropping two bombs and decimating two Japanese cities, cities with military bases and military manufacturing, cities of military importance, something that I didn't see any of the potatoes crying about the use of the bombs mention. These cities and the people living in them were part of the Japanese war machine that killed millions and millions of people throughout Asia. The same machine that attacked, unprovoked, America. The same machine that, if they had the capacity, would have invaded, raped and killed Americans in the same way that they raped and killed people throughout Asia.

Yeah. There's no reason for anyone to feel bad about using the bombs. They were completely justified. The Japanese were insane. They should be the ones who feel bad.
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Originally Posted By jmonty⏩
the idea that a ground invasion was necessary is a logical fallacy. Japan had lost the ability to actually wage war and was willing to surrender, if they got to keep their emperor, which they got to anyways.

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This is the really fuked up part. Japan was apparently willing to surrender under the condition that they keep their Emperor. Allies say "no," and bomb the cities. Then Japan surrenders under the condition that they keep their Emperor and America refers to it as an "Unconditional Surrender."
I don't neg.
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
1) We'd all be dead if that didn't happen. Hiroshima and Nagasaki gave the world a chance to see how destructive nuclear weapons are while we still only had a few of them and while they were still at their least powerful. It put MAD (mutually assured destruction) into place. If we hadn't seen that, the first use of nuclear weapons would have been when both sides of the cold war had hundreds or thousands of bombs each hundreds of times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb.

2) Japan was ISIS level religious (Shinto/ god-emperor) extremist at that time. If we didn't nuke them, they'd have fought us to the last woman and child rushing into machine guns with bamboo spears. Japan might not even exist as a country or even a people anymore if we had launched a land invasion. The nukes saved millions of lives.

3) It was WW II. WW II was the apocalypse, the end of the world, happening in real-time for the people at that time. That meant that everyone did whatever they could to survive less they perish. Morals went out the window. The first person with morals was the first person that Darwinism selected against and quickly eliminated from existence. For a period of 8 years, we were thrown out of our cozy first world utopias and cast back into nature.
People always try to make excuses for mass murder, I am sure if you spoke to ISIS they could come up with some good excuses as to why they do what they do.
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One thing I've learned is there is no good and evil.. we can all be evil when pushed to any extreme. The bomb may have been justifiable but the moral question of whether it was right or wrong depends entirely on the persons subjective moral compass.

I heard the pilot that off loaded one bomb committed suicide years later.
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drop another one, mother****ers. lol
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Originally Posted By aal04⏩
They did evil things. But an atomic bomb wasnt about cleansing. It was purely symbolic.

1. Japan was completely and utterly incapacitated. the war was over.
2. Japan attempted surrender negotiations several days beforehand and America didnt even listen to one word of it, they wanted non-negotiable surrender. Several countries tried to come in to help with negotiations. Including Russia
False, even as late as July 22nd, Japan declined an offer of unconditional surrender:http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/40.pdf
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Originally Posted By Finch000⏩
It was better than the alternative that would have cost millions of lives if they invaded mainland Japan instead.
Yes, in the short term, it was the right decision.

In the long term? That's a different story. Yes, we haven't used nukes again due to their destructive nature, but that does not mean that they will not continue to be used. Only 70 years has passed. One measly human life time. That does not mean that it won't happen in the future. If humanity wipes itself out with nukes a 100 years from now, then no, it would not have been worth it.

It also set up a precedent for the U.S. intentionally attacking civilian targets, including women and children. People get caught up in the numbers, Pearl Harbor, and the many atrocities that the Japanese military committed (which, unlike the Nazis, they never paid for). What is often willfully ignored is that civilians, including little kids, were targeted and either vaporized in an instant or forced to suffer horrible deaths under radiation. Pearl Harbor, while an act of aggression, was an attack on a military base. Not the same thing.

Anyways, there's no real black and white answer for this.
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You gotta love all the American hating kids who probably never met a WW2 vet. Japan got what was coming to them. Pretty sure if you met some POWs from WW2 you'd think differently.
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killing/murdering over 240k innocent people was fukced up. imagine, half of them were probably children too. the US didn't have to drop them to win the war; japan was withering away since the fuel embargoes and naval blockades left them w/o anything to fuel their ships/planes. it was just a matter of time before they surrendered.

if anything, the US could have had a show of force and dropped the bombs in a less densely populated area to show they had the power to wipe them off the face of the earth or in the outskirts of a city.
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Originally Posted By lsiberian⏩
You gotta love all the American hating kids who probably never met a WW2 vet. Japan got what was coming to them. Pretty sure if you met some POWs from WW2 you'd think differently.
I've met plenty of ww2 vets, my grandfather being one of them as a pilot in the army air corps. he did what he had to do but was never proud of it. was he angry about pearl harbor, yes. did he think they were evil, no.
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Originally Posted By DieselRobert1⏩
Are you aware of the things the Japanese did to POW? They were accusations of them eating, EATING POW's, beheading etc. Nanking Massacre? They raped and pillaged women and children!

They bombed Pearl Harbor, men were entombed in their ships while they slept.

They did some sick **** and they needed cleansing.
Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
Learn your history on what the Japanese did when they invaded mainland Asia. That's the bit of history leftist apologists like to forget about.
And? I'm Korean. I have no love for the Japanese and I'm quite aware of the horrible things the they did. And unlike the Germans, many in Japan still don't acknowledge any of it. Many politicians and historians over there make an active effort to rewrite history in order to deny their atrocities and justify their aggression by saying that they did it for the good of Asia in order to protect it from Western imperialism. Yes, they're really doing that.

But let's not say that it was morally justified to target a civilian city filled with the elderly, women, and children. Was it a smart military/political move? Perhaps. But it wasn't morally justified by any means. The kids certainly didn't deserve it.

What's ironic about everyone saying that the Japanese deserved it is that they're forgetting that...
Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
The worst thing they did during WWII was Unit 731:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731


But America turned a blind eye to 731, Nanking, etc in exchange for the records and their best scientists (Operation Paperclip)
This. Japanese war criminals were never tried as war criminals. And it was an American decision. And America was quite complicit in ignoring that many atrocities that the Japanese government/military committed. So yes, let's keep going on about how the Japanese were punished by the nukes when in reality the worst Japanese war criminals were actually pardoned.
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