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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
And some people dont understand how stats workthese guys in here still don't understand how some of these generalizations exist....blows my mind. I'll give you a hint: it's not because it's a small %.
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Originally Posted By jimmyjabbar⏩
I already addressed that, as have others.Art imitates life. What do you want these guys to rap about? They're lives were about struggle, drugs, gangs pursuit of a better life out the trap. Their music reflects that. Like a writer writes about his life experiences, rappers will rap about theirs.
Art imitates life, and life imitates art.
Art influences the development of culture; ie. literature, music, drawing/paintings, sculptures, plays, poetry, films, TV shows, etc... If you study history you will see the integral role that art plays in shaping culture and religions, they are means through which values are propagated and reinforced.
Seriously dude, look into the renaissance...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1OeMmwYjU
Art influences life, as much as life influences art.
I don't understand why you guys think it's one way.
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09-04-2016, 05:37 PM
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Betasfuk please come to my thread to discuss the problems I've noticed in the white community or shut up. You can dish it out but you can't take it.
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Originally Posted By jimmyjabbar⏩
you got that right fruitcakeAnd some people dont understand how stats work
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Originally Posted By SavySave⏩
I'm black, and you are a notorious troll.Betasfuk please come to my thread to discuss the problems I've noticed in the white community or shut up. You can dish it out but you can't take it.
What do you think I'm 'dishing out'?
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09-04-2016, 05:44 PM
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It's like when people flipped their chit about blues and jazz back in the day.
That gosh darn negro music!
That gosh darn negro music!
09-04-2016, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
You're totally missing the point. The bottom line is that yes, hip hop has some bad imagery. I refuse to agree with you it creates bad stereotypes of black men. Why? Becuase (just as you stated at length) Rock has been demonized to some degree, BUT NO ONE SAYS WHITES ARE BEING STEREOTYPED as demonic/satanists/dangerous/etc. but apparently rap creates stereotypes of black men? White people are always saved by stopping short of bunching them together.You wrote this, and then you wrote this...
Which is complaining about stereotyping black people.
Which is exactly what I wrote about in the OP.
I never said that 'all black people are like such and such', I was arguing against stereotyping regardless of who it's done by.
You seem to only dislike stereotyping when it's done by white people, but take issue with me criticizing the stereotypes of black males that hip hop promotes.
You and Yiamsomebody are incredibly ignorant of the amount of criticism that the rock, and the psychedelic sub-cultures endured from the mainstream.
Please do some research, seriously.
Here is Frank Zappa contesting the cautionary labeling of rock lyrics, at a senate hearing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAF8Vu8G0w
You are both playing the race card, due to probable ignorance of things like the just linked senate hearing.
The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to be violent, have drug use or be sexual via labeling and censorship. The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" -- a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area.
In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put "Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics" labels on albums to warn of explicit lyrical content. Before the labels could be put into place, the Senate agreed to hold a hearing on so-called "porn rock". This began on September 19, 1985, when representatives from the PMRC, three musicians -- Dee Snider, Frank Zappa, John Denver -- and Senators Paula Hawkins and Al Gore testified before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee on "the subject of the content of certain sound recordings and suggestions that recording packages be labeled to provide a warning to prospective purchasers of sexually explicit or other potentially offensive content."
During his statement, musician and producer Frank Zappa asserted that "the PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years dealing with the interpretation and enforcement problems inherent in the proposal's design."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC
There is simply no way you can claim that hip hop has been singled out, it is demonstrably false.
Which is complaining about stereotyping black people.
Which is exactly what I wrote about in the OP.
I never said that 'all black people are like such and such', I was arguing against stereotyping regardless of who it's done by.
You seem to only dislike stereotyping when it's done by white people, but take issue with me criticizing the stereotypes of black males that hip hop promotes.
You and Yiamsomebody are incredibly ignorant of the amount of criticism that the rock, and the psychedelic sub-cultures endured from the mainstream.
Please do some research, seriously.
Here is Frank Zappa contesting the cautionary labeling of rock lyrics, at a senate hearing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAF8Vu8G0w
You are both playing the race card, due to probable ignorance of things like the just linked senate hearing.
The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to be violent, have drug use or be sexual via labeling and censorship. The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" -- a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area.
In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put "Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics" labels on albums to warn of explicit lyrical content. Before the labels could be put into place, the Senate agreed to hold a hearing on so-called "porn rock". This began on September 19, 1985, when representatives from the PMRC, three musicians -- Dee Snider, Frank Zappa, John Denver -- and Senators Paula Hawkins and Al Gore testified before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee on "the subject of the content of certain sound recordings and suggestions that recording packages be labeled to provide a warning to prospective purchasers of sexually explicit or other potentially offensive content."
During his statement, musician and producer Frank Zappa asserted that "the PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years dealing with the interpretation and enforcement problems inherent in the proposal's design."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC
There is simply no way you can claim that hip hop has been singled out, it is demonstrably false.
I'm not saying hip hop doesn't have filth. But just like rock has filth, BOTH black and white should not be stereotyped by the music.
So when a black person says "yea but we should stop the bad Imagery in hip hop, etc etc becuase it makes black men look bad", it's BULL**** and feeding into self hate. Blacks don't need to stop doing anything in music just like whites don't either. And anything negative in hip hop is becuase the music is reflecting the environment caused by decades of racist and bigoted legislative and social policy, not becuase a bunch of stupid songs.
09-04-2016, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Hmm. Okay, I know you're trolling now. You literally just pulled one random cole song (which I believe is when he first started rapping) and picking parts of a video which has nothing to do with what you're talking about, and picking random as lyrics. Lol, I'm done. I'm not falling for this bait anymore.Kendrick Lamar?
I don't know what you think that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRK7PVJFbS8
Note the phucking (approx) 5 year old kid trying to act tough like the males in the video, and that fact that Kendrick chose him to stand there with a scowl on his face showing 'westside' handsigns (that came from gang culture).
IMO that kid needs to be phuckin smiling and playing, being a kid, not trying to emulate 20 something year old gang bangers.
"My bitches I like em brown, just like my drink, the phuck you think?" - Kendrick Lamar, the recipe.
'My bitches'.
Nothing positive about that reference to women. He's not even talking about women he doesn't like, he's talking about women he likes. Exactly the habitual abusive language that Lenon Honor points out.
J Cole...
He even talks in a song about his mother objecting to him talking like he's from the ghetto, when he's college educated.
Here is a track called...
'lil ghetto nikka'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54vsgnCksU
Who is the 3rd rapper?
Note in the song J Cole says:
"Young ****** emulate what's coming out the speakers.
Everything we learn came from rappers, not teachers."
You were the one who brought up J Cole, andeven J Cole agrees with what I'm saying.
I hope you don't ignore the lyrics that I quoted, and the sentence that I just wrote.
I don't know what you think that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRK7PVJFbS8
Note the phucking (approx) 5 year old kid trying to act tough like the males in the video, and that fact that Kendrick chose him to stand there with a scowl on his face showing 'westside' handsigns (that came from gang culture).
IMO that kid needs to be phuckin smiling and playing, being a kid, not trying to emulate 20 something year old gang bangers.
"My bitches I like em brown, just like my drink, the phuck you think?" - Kendrick Lamar, the recipe.
'My bitches'.
Nothing positive about that reference to women. He's not even talking about women he doesn't like, he's talking about women he likes. Exactly the habitual abusive language that Lenon Honor points out.
J Cole...
He even talks in a song about his mother objecting to him talking like he's from the ghetto, when he's college educated.
Here is a track called...
'lil ghetto nikka'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54vsgnCksU
Who is the 3rd rapper?
Note in the song J Cole says:
"Young ****** emulate what's coming out the speakers.
Everything we learn came from rappers, not teachers."
You were the one who brought up J Cole, andeven J Cole agrees with what I'm saying.
I hope you don't ignore the lyrics that I quoted, and the sentence that I just wrote.
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Originally Posted By saiyar1⏩
That's because they aren't.You're totally missing the point. The bottom line is that yes, hip hop has some bad imagery. I refuse to agree with you it creates bad stereotypes of black men. Why? Becuase (just as you stated at length) Rock has been demonized to some degree, BUT NO ONE SAYS WHITES ARE BEING STEREOTYPED as demonic/satanists/dangerous/etc.
I'm talking about how things are, not how you believe they 'should be'.
but apparently rap creates stereotypes of black men?
Ask some people from Asia, who have mainly only been exposed to hip hop music and movies what they associate with african americans.Ask the men what they think of white single males who come to their country (they get stereotyped too, just in different ways).
I'm not saying hip hop doesn't have filth. But just like rock has filth, BOTH black and white should not be stereotyped by the music.
You can't 'should' reality.It's not just about music, the music is part of a culture. I have repeated that in countless times ITT, why do you guys keep ignoring that?
IMO minorities (of any race/ethnicity, in any country) are prone to being stereotyped, due to their smaller size in relation to the wide race/ethnic demographic they are inherently seen as being less diverse.
And anything negative in hip hop is becuase the music is reflecting the environment caused by decades of racist and bigoted legislative and social policy, not becuase a bunch of stupid songs.
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Originally Posted By iZZmatic⏩
You pulled out J Cole, I pointed out a lyric that supports what I'm saying, I also mentioned another song.You literally just pulled one random cole song (which I believe is when he first started rapping) and picking parts of a video which has nothing to do with what you're talking about,
You also produced Kendrick as not being 'ghetto', when he talks about similar things to other rappers, and glories gang culture in his video. Which is exactly the kind of thing I was referring to when I criticized hip hop media in my OP.
I seriously think most of you haven't actually read my OP, and are just reacting emotionally to any criticism of hip hop.
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I think most black hip hop fans ITT are responding to me as if I'm criticizing black people. I am criticizing hip hop.
Ironicially I think most of you are proving my point, conflating hip hop with 'black culture' and so any criticism of hip hop is criticism of the black community/culture.
I have said nothing about jazz, neo-soul, rnb, motown, gospel music, etc.
This is soley about hip hop culture, which isn't 'black culture', nor does it represent black people.
Ironicially I think most of you are proving my point, conflating hip hop with 'black culture' and so any criticism of hip hop is criticism of the black community/culture.
I have said nothing about jazz, neo-soul, rnb, motown, gospel music, etc.
This is soley about hip hop culture, which isn't 'black culture', nor does it represent black people.
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09-04-2016, 06:17 PM
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This topic is outdated. The only gripe I have currently with the 'hip hop' community is that it's unauthentic compared to what it used to be pre-2004-2005 era.
Has it been dumbed down? Yes.
Has it been degrading to the black race? Yes.
However since quality is no longer a commodity issue, we will continue to have mockeries of 'hip hop' music for many years to come.
Kendrick Lamar and the likes of J.Cole can only cover so much of the wound that's been exposed for so long.
As long as label exces, and A&R's sign acts that display promotion of drugs, ill cilitified verbiage, shunning black women as objects, we will never revert to what hip hop intentionally was/meant.
I get it though, let's witness hip hop evolve into positive patterns of music appreciation. Sadly, it's current quality is so diminished that it wouldn't hold a candle lick to it's predecessor in the 90's era.
I also get that music especially hip hop is derived from telling stories about REAL situations in inhospitable neighborhood conditions, that were never fallacious as that would almost become a sin.
That most important aspect of this thread that it's missing is that hip hop's current state is fictated. Let's be real, there's some great hip hop music out there, but commercially it will NEVER reach it's potential to influence black people, or anyone for that
matter, if it's not degrading and not empowering.
This is the biggest problem.
Has it been dumbed down? Yes.
Has it been degrading to the black race? Yes.
However since quality is no longer a commodity issue, we will continue to have mockeries of 'hip hop' music for many years to come.
Kendrick Lamar and the likes of J.Cole can only cover so much of the wound that's been exposed for so long.
As long as label exces, and A&R's sign acts that display promotion of drugs, ill cilitified verbiage, shunning black women as objects, we will never revert to what hip hop intentionally was/meant.
I get it though, let's witness hip hop evolve into positive patterns of music appreciation. Sadly, it's current quality is so diminished that it wouldn't hold a candle lick to it's predecessor in the 90's era.
I also get that music especially hip hop is derived from telling stories about REAL situations in inhospitable neighborhood conditions, that were never fallacious as that would almost become a sin.
That most important aspect of this thread that it's missing is that hip hop's current state is fictated. Let's be real, there's some great hip hop music out there, but commercially it will NEVER reach it's potential to influence black people, or anyone for that
matter, if it's not degrading and not empowering.
This is the biggest problem.
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Originally Posted By Kleinnd⏩
So you gonna source that comment, or pretend you just made it upthe only thing i hate about rap right now is that it went from "drugs are bad" to "sell drugs to survive" to "getting rich off of selling drugs" to now.."it's cool to be a drug addict"
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Agreed. So black propel don't need to do anything about hip hop. Don't need to condone nor change anything about it. It is what it is. Period. The effort should not be made in changing it or cleaning it up so to speak. It should be to constantly use that effort to let people know exactly that and fight those who do continue to make the stereotype by educating them (showing their hypocrisy and, frankly, idiocy if need be in the most effective way possible). And if you don't want to make any effort at all, fine. But stand aside and don't interject your opinion without trying to do something to make change.I think most black hip hop fans ITT are responding to me as if I'm criticizing black people. I am criticizing hip hop.
Ironicially I think most of you are proving my point, conflating hip hop with 'black culture' and so any criticism of hip hop is criticism of the black community/culture.
I have said nothing about jazz, neo-soul, rnb, motown, gospel music, etc.
This is soley about hip hop culture, which isn't 'black culture', nor does it represent black people.
Ironicially I think most of you are proving my point, conflating hip hop with 'black culture' and so any criticism of hip hop is criticism of the black community/culture.
I have said nothing about jazz, neo-soul, rnb, motown, gospel music, etc.
This is soley about hip hop culture, which isn't 'black culture', nor does it represent black people.
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Blame rap, blame whitey, blame socioeconomics...what difference does it make, OP? It's all just a deflection from the likelihood that behavioral differences among races is the result of inherent genetic differences. This requires the acceptance of a very uncomfortable reality, so the very idea is dismissed as 'racist' by modern America. Racism and stereotypes really have nothing to do with skin color or appearance (that is just how it is manifested), but nobody wants to consider this. People NEED racism, because then you always have an easy excuse to fall back on, another person to blame for whatever injustices you think you're facing. Race relations will NEVER improve until black people stop viewing themselves as "blacks", rather than just people. It's like they embrace the label, so that's how it remains. Perhaps the past was cruel and unfair, and maybe some of that has residual effects today, but for the most part... I agree with OP that perceptions are perpetuated by themselves these days. And yeah, hip hop culture is a small part of that. But lets not pretend music is why stereotypes exist, get real man.
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Originally Posted By gladiatorsong⏩
Okay.....and? I'll say it again.....I don't care about him, nor was I aware of him, UNTIL, keyword, a thread was made about it HERE. So, in my eyes, seems like Whites would care more than Blacks, as this is a White dominated board.Americans are being spoon fed to care about Jesse Williams
You posted that like I'm supposed to care because I'm Black. Lol. Fact of the matter is, you Google searched that....so you're only going to be bombarded with that if you search it. Correct? Sure, it may be a topic of discussion for a while, but aside from THAT thread, I never saw him mentioned again until now. You're cherry picking sh** to suit your argument.
You know what, I'll do you one better.
If a White person commits a crime, someone says you're all responsible for it because you're White....then what? You mean to tell me you're going to let someone else put something on you you didn't do? He's a representation of you?
Just answer, yes or no, is what he does on you because you're White?
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The rap culture is a symptom, not a cause of the problem.
If you want to fix anything, you gotta dig deeper. And this generally starts with promoting education and fixing up schools.
If black people change, then the way they are portrayed will also change.
How do you expect to make it in America when 60% of the country doesn't understand what the hell you're saying?
And regarding rap, I have no problem with it. People enjoy listening to it; it's an art form; it allows musicians to get rich; it diversifies the music scene; and it's a great way for artists to express themselves.
If you want to fix anything, you gotta dig deeper. And this generally starts with promoting education and fixing up schools.
If black people change, then the way they are portrayed will also change.
How do you expect to make it in America when 60% of the country doesn't understand what the hell you're saying?
And regarding rap, I have no problem with it. People enjoy listening to it; it's an art form; it allows musicians to get rich; it diversifies the music scene; and it's a great way for artists to express themselves.
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Originally Posted By YIAMSOMEBODY⏩
Whites don't stick up for whites doing the wrong thing. Blacks do. You try to rationalize wrong doing by playing some false race cardOkay.....and? I'll say it again.....I don't care about him, nor was I aware of him, UNTIL, keyword, a thread was made about it HERE. So, in my eyes, seems like Whites would care more than Blacks, as this is a White dominated board.
You posted that like I'm supposed to care because I'm Black. Lol. Fact of the matter is, you Google searched that....so you're only going to be bombarded with that if you search it. Correct? Sure, it may be a topic of discussion for a while, but aside from THAT thread, I never saw him mentioned again until now. You're cherry picking sh** to suit your argument.
You know what, I'll do you one better.
If a White person commits a crime, someone says you're all responsible for it because you're White....then what? You mean to tell me you're going to let someone else put something on you you didn't do? He's a representation of you?
Just answer, yes or no, is what he does on you because you're White?
You posted that like I'm supposed to care because I'm Black. Lol. Fact of the matter is, you Google searched that....so you're only going to be bombarded with that if you search it. Correct? Sure, it may be a topic of discussion for a while, but aside from THAT thread, I never saw him mentioned again until now. You're cherry picking sh** to suit your argument.
You know what, I'll do you one better.
If a White person commits a crime, someone says you're all responsible for it because you're White....then what? You mean to tell me you're going to let someone else put something on you you didn't do? He's a representation of you?
Just answer, yes or no, is what he does on you because you're White?
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Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
Because there's nothing different to understand there is zero systemic racism. The extra looks you are paranoid about from the store clerk have zero effect on the outcome of your life. There is no one holding you backThe rap culture is a symptom, not a cause of the problem.
If you want to fix anything, you gotta dig deeper. And this generally starts with promoting education and fixing up schools.
If black people change, then the way they are portrayed will also change.
How do you expect to make it in America when 60% of the country doesn't understand what the hell you're saying?
And regarding rap, I have no problem with it. People enjoy listening to it; it's an art form; it allows musicians to get rich; it diversifies the music scene; and it's a great way for artists to share themselves.
If you want to fix anything, you gotta dig deeper. And this generally starts with promoting education and fixing up schools.
If black people change, then the way they are portrayed will also change.
How do you expect to make it in America when 60% of the country doesn't understand what the hell you're saying?
And regarding rap, I have no problem with it. People enjoy listening to it; it's an art form; it allows musicians to get rich; it diversifies the music scene; and it's a great way for artists to share themselves.
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Originally Posted By second2noneBrah⏩
Where did you get all that from?Because there's nothing different to understand there is zero systemic racism. The extra looks you are paranoid about from the store clerk have zero effect on the outcome of your life. There is no one holding you back
It definitely wasn't my post
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09-04-2016, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By second2noneBrah⏩
Lol, this guy. Muthafukca, I haven't played any card. Find me one post where I'm doing so. I'll wait.Whites don't stick up for whites doing the wrong thing. Blacks do. You try to rationalize wrong doing by playing some false race card
Nice question dodge. Wasn't even posed to you and you still didn't answer it. Again, I see where this is going. Yeppers.
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Op says some really reasonable things here and a lot of you are missing his point. I don't think he over reaches. As I understand it he is trying to explain that hip hop strongly propagates a type of black identity that is mostly negative.
Now I don't think racial stereotypes are good things but while they exist it sure as hell is better to carry a positive one rather than a negative one.
Now I don't think racial stereotypes are good things but while they exist it sure as hell is better to carry a positive one rather than a negative one.
09-04-2016, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
As usual, what you see/saw/felt you saw ≠ the whole pictureIt's true IME.
In general.
I have been very poor, and I have lived a comfortable though working class life. From experience and observation, fellow poor people have chittier upbringings than middle class kids.
Often absent or poor relationships with fathers is common, as is psychological or physical abuse from parents, as is growing up around violence in their social environment.
My cousin went to a grammar school (a school for smart and - often - middle class kids in the UK). She came from a working class background like me, we compared notes. The way I described my school experience was foreign to her, she was baffled when I described the psychological and physical abuse that many people experienced, that was an accepted part of school life.
In general.
I have been very poor, and I have lived a comfortable though working class life. From experience and observation, fellow poor people have chittier upbringings than middle class kids.
Often absent or poor relationships with fathers is common, as is psychological or physical abuse from parents, as is growing up around violence in their social environment.
My cousin went to a grammar school (a school for smart and - often - middle class kids in the UK). She came from a working class background like me, we compared notes. The way I described my school experience was foreign to her, she was baffled when I described the psychological and physical abuse that many people experienced, that was an accepted part of school life.
Therefore, you cannot tell the whole story and, as usual, are speculating about things you have no clue about. Poverty and the cultures/subcultures surrounding it always gets the spotlight because it's part of the lie people in this society tell themselves repeatedly. They have to in order to function on a daily basis. It's the corner they've painted themselves into, they really have little choice at this point. From top to bottom, rich or poor, ask yourself where all the coke and heroin brought in goes. It isn't to poor people. Where's all the oxy and meth ending up? It isn't in minority communities. So there's a huge blind spot that people living the lie continue to hold on to...law enforcement knows but nobody listens to them as long as the "other people" are kept away and they can indulge their own intoxicants, the media is run by people who want the entire place dismantled anyway so they're not about to spotlight it either, and you? You just parrot what you're shown and think your narrow experience is how it all works.
That isn't what the elephant actually is, blind man. Not even "in general". Welcome to reality.
09-04-2016, 08:47 PM
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There was a time when "conscious rap" was mainstream and had a positive message or at least a though provoking message to share. This was one of my favorite songs:
But sin is more attractive and profitable.
But sin is more attractive and profitable.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Conscious rap is often boring as fuk. It has it's place, sure, and when done appropriately, it's amazing (see Food and liquor, before Lupe became garbage) but most of the time, it's uncreative preaching.There was a time when "conscious rap" was mainstream and had a positive message or at least a though provoking message to share. This was one of my favorite songs:
But sin is more attractive and profitable.
But sin is more attractive and profitable.
09-04-2016, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted By gladiatorsong⏩
literally every single white and hispanic male in america fits that nike/rap thing u saidWhat are Blacks consuming then - rock, country or techno?
Almost every black american under the age of 35
- listens to Rap
- wears Nikes
- eats McDonalds
These are essentially foregone conclusions at this point. Black americans are the most stereotypical people on this Planet. This is why media is so concentered on them, put a black male next to white female in a commercial and they will purchase/consume the product.
As for OP, I wonder why Kaepernick didn't speak out against thugs and drug dealers. Instead he went after the authority risking their lives to take away the bad guys. We (Whites, Latinos, Asians, Arabs) aren't helping you people until you help yourself first.
Almost every black american under the age of 35
- listens to Rap
- wears Nikes
- eats McDonalds
These are essentially foregone conclusions at this point. Black americans are the most stereotypical people on this Planet. This is why media is so concentered on them, put a black male next to white female in a commercial and they will purchase/consume the product.
As for OP, I wonder why Kaepernick didn't speak out against thugs and drug dealers. Instead he went after the authority risking their lives to take away the bad guys. We (Whites, Latinos, Asians, Arabs) aren't helping you people until you help yourself first.
maybe not all the way up to 35 but up until at least college they do
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
yea thats my point, white kids and hispanic kids in middle school and HS act just the same as black kids and we all like the same things.'Fitting in' to the stereotypes is a separate issue, white kids generally are not assumed to be like that, unlike black and hispanic kids.
You grew up middle class.
Like I said in the OP; you likely had a stable dual parent family and/or grew up in a good social environment, so it was 'just music' to you. Kids from ghetto listen to that music, and it reinforces the values and behavior that they are genuinely being exposed to, or even pressured into.
Which ones are those?
You grew up middle class.
Like I said in the OP; you likely had a stable dual parent family and/or grew up in a good social environment, so it was 'just music' to you. Kids from ghetto listen to that music, and it reinforces the values and behavior that they are genuinely being exposed to, or even pressured into.
Which ones are those?
As much as some people hate it and deny it, mainstream hip hop culture is now mainstream young american pop culture. Thank vine, IG and twitter plus trap is just very fun music so pretty much every young person likes it.
Yea i grew up middle class with 2 parents that loved me but i wasn't ridiculously sheltered and i had contact with ghetto ****** and was friends with drug dealers, thiefs and just criminals in general. It's the way it is, i just kept myself out of stupid trouble, u gonna break into a house b? i **** with u and we smoke and **** but nahh i ain't hoping in that train, see u tomorrow at school.
If u have half a brain u can chill with these kind of people and avoid getting caught up in trouble, but yea i have to admit that when u do this u put yourself at a high risk of ending up being that guy that was just ''at the wrong place at the wrong time'' tho.
And I'm talking about cole and drake, also kendrick.
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