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post 1473314021 12-01-2016, 06:56 AM
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Everyone being little babies who don't want to move to find a job or who truly don't want to do any real work. So, I would say laziness.
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post 1473314671 12-01-2016, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted By Galindo62
Wot? Thats corporate cuckold mentality.

Odds you will die in the same class you born in. When america was great, upward class mobility was very feasible.

Not so much now or in other historical declining societies.


I would like to see what your parents make and what you make. This goes for anybody who claims that "working hard" or "making smart decisions" will lead you to the promise land.
My parents were barely above the poverty line (still are). I make ~$25k more per year than they do combined, and my earning potential has yet to be fully reached. My older brother makes about 25k more pear year than I do, has a Masters degree in Aeronautical Engineering, and his wife has a Masters in Social Work. They make well into 6 figures combined, but he accounts for most of it.

Well, that's 2 kids from one family that prove you wrong. My sister who is 5 years younger than me teaches English to Japanese kids and has excellent earning potential as well. 3/3 now. Maybe we just had really good parents, though neither of them graduated from college, they did at least wait to have kids until they were married. They are living above the poverty line, but like I said, barely. We all started in Michigan. I ended up in Louisville, my sister is in the Chicago area, and my brother is in Germany. If you have to leave your ****ty home town to make it, then do it.
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post 1473318861 12-01-2016, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser
My parents were barely above the poverty line (still are). I make ~$25k more per year than they do combined, and my earning potential has yet to be fully reached. My older brother makes about 25k more pear year than I do, has a Masters degree in Aeronautical Engineering, and his wife has a Masters in Social Work. They make well into 6 figures combined, but he accounts for most of it.

Well, that's 2 kids from one family that prove you wrong. My sister who is 5 years younger than me teaches English to Japanese kids and has excellent earning potential as well. 3/3 now. Maybe we just had really good parents, though neither of them graduated from college, they did at least wait to have kids until they were married. They are living above the poverty line, but like I said, barely. We all started in Michigan. I ended up in Louisville, my sister is in the Chicago area, and my brother is in Germany. If you have to leave your ****ty home town to make it, then do it.
Parenting is key in your situation it sounds, they probably valued educated for you guys so you did also.

Cultural failings of people in a cycle of poverty is not societies fault.
post 1473319891 12-01-2016, 07:54 AM
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You could pay for a 2 year degree off pell grants and work part time to afford a room in a house most places. There is enough assistance out there but people get comfortable and don't want to work any harder. Thats why going back to school after being out is hard for most.

If there was a huge supply of eligable candidates for a job they would not have a demand and either it would pay less or you would be going against thousands of candidates.
post 1473320321 12-01-2016, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted By LMAOatYou
You could pay for a 2 year degree off pell grants and work part time to afford a room in a house most places. There is enough assistance out there but people get comfortable and don't want to work any harder. Thats why going back to school after being out is hard for most.

If there was a huge supply of eligable candidates for a job they would not have a demand and either it would pay less or you would be going against thousands of candidates.
this is true but as people are pointing out, what about the middle aged man/woman with a family? Not an option for them. Those are the true hardluck cases where there's not much they can do. But still plenty that have options that arent willing to do what's needed
post 1473320391 12-01-2016, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted By LMAOatYou
You could pay for a 2 year degree off pell grants and work part time to afford a room in a house most places.
^^Exactly what I did. Zero debt checking in.
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post 1473320941 12-01-2016, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis
Why can't these people pursue the training and education needed to get a better job? Like a trade or STEM type career for example, that tends to pay enought that you are at least not in a cycle of poverty.
Because they're in victim mode, often coming from generations of people in victim mode. Once you realize life aint fair, and the only one who is going to get you to the next level is you, can you get out of victim mode and move forward. Not everyone gets to start at the same starting line of life. No one denies that: See life aint fair.
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post 1473321881 12-01-2016, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis
this is true but as people are pointing out, what about the middle aged man/woman with a family? Not an option for them. Those are the true hardluck cases where there's not much they can do. But still plenty that have options that arent willing to do what's needed
it is definitely harder but still doable. There were multiple single parents in my nursing class. Just depends if they have the motivation/ambition.
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