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post 1491299111 04-16-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Damn that's a lot of $$$$$

If I didn't have a husband and family I'd go be a stripper. Especially if it was at a club where they can't touch you.
Women that hate strippers are just mad that they're out of shape and can't dance.


Op would make me give free lap dances though because that's not fair to poor men who can't afford them.
id be a cam girl if i was a chick, you never have to meet your 'clients' or even see them, and you're just playing with yourself which most of us do anyway... and all you need is a laptop with a webcam
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OP trying to get everyone ITT to abandon wealth building so he has less competition

Not falling for it. Nice try.
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Moreso than wealth itself being immoral, it's the economic system we live under that is immoral.

Wealth is fine if you directly worked for that wealth. That's not however what Capitalism is about. Capitalism is about wealth that is gained through the labour of thousands of other individuals. That is certainly immoral.
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sometimes i kind of agree with the idea that super rich people should at least help those who need help. I read an article a few weeks ago where charles barkley said that michael jordan plays golf and bets 300k a hole. and then you think that that money could help so many people and jordan is just potentially just throwing it away playing golf. but then again, it is his money and he can do w.e he wants with it.....so i dunno i can see both sides.
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Originally Posted By GopnikLyfe⏩
tldr what you think is moral is not what I think is moral.
I'm guessing it's the title that has lead people to think that I'm unaware of that.
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Takes a true lib to spend so much time and effort into thinking bout how to spend other ppls.money
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Originally Posted By BrocepCurls⏩
Moreso than wealth itself being immoral, it's the economic system we live under that is immoral.

Wealth is fine if you directly worked for that wealth. That's not however what Capitalism is about. Capitalism is about wealth that is gained through the labour of thousands of other individuals. That is certainly immoral.


There are enough people ITT who seem to have skimmed the OP, or didn't read the article, and think I am advocating socialism or communism.
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Originally Posted By BrocepCurls⏩
Moreso than wealth itself being immoral, it's the economic system we live under that is immoral.

Wealth is fine if you directly worked for that wealth. That's not however what Capitalism is about. Capitalism is about wealth that is gained through the labour of thousands of other individuals. That is certainly immoral.
Wtf? You saying that business owners/highly compensated c level execs didn't work to get there? Running something that employs thousands of people is not that easy. It's not like they take 1/hr off thousands of people's earnings while sitting on the couch drinking a beer and miscing.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Excerpts from the article...

"(“I don’t hate capitalism, I just hate rich people” is a perfectly legitimate and consistent perspective.)

I therefore think there is a sort of deflection that goes on with defences of wealth. If we find it appalling that there are so many rich people in a time of need, we are asked to consider questions of acquisition rather than questions of retention. The retention question, after all, is much harder for a wealthy person to answer. It’s one thing to argue that you got rich legitimately. It’s another to explain why you feel justified in spending your wealth upon houses and sculptures rather than helping some struggling people pay their rent or paying off a bunch of student loans or saving thousands of people from dying of malaria. There may be nothing unseemly about the process by which a basketball player earns his millions (we can debate this). But there’s certainly something unseemly about having those millions. "

"We can define something like a “maximum moral income” beyond which it’s obviously inexcusable not to give away all of your money. It might be 5o thousand. Call it 100, though. Per person. With an additional 50 allowed per child. This means two parents with a child can still earn $250,000! That’s so much money. And you can keep it. But everyone who earns anything beyond it is obligated to give the excess away in its entirety. The refusal to do so means intentionally allowing others to suffer, a statement which is true regardless of whether you “earned” or “deserved” the income you were originally given. (Personally, I think the maximum moral income is probably much lower, but let’s just set it here so that everyone can agree on it. I do tend to think that moral requirements should be attainable in practice, and a $30k threshold would actually require people experience some deprivation whereas a $100k threshold indisputably still leaves you with an incredibly comfortable lifestyle better than almost any other had by anyone in history.)"

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/...ral-to-be-rich

I agree with the article.

Most miscers seemingly want to live like Dan Bilzarian, but I hope that at least Christian (Jesus was a minimalist), Buddhist, and Sikh miscers will be sympathetic to the article.



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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Wtf? You saying that business owners/highly compensated c level execs didn't work to get there? Running something that employs thousands of people is not that easy. It's not like they take 1/hr off thousands of people's earnings while sitting on the couch drinking a beer and miscing.
How do you know what they do at work? Are you at that level?
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
From now on, I'm just going to ignore people who argue that the post is promoting socialism or communism.

I can't be bother to keep repeating that the article is not proposing legislation.
Dude it's proposing a "voluntary" wealth threshold that is retardedly low, like so low you can't even buy a house in a decent area with it. No human being who has more then that much money will ever subscribe to voluntarily give it all away and cap themselves off. Goes completely against human nature.

So what do these communist people do next? Give up on their utopia? Or do they say "well we tried the voluntary route and people with their chitty morals won't take us up on it so now we have to pass legislation"?

We all know the answer.
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Originally Posted By FannySkelper⏩
How do you know what they do at work? Are you at that level?
I know the CFO of a major financial institution and a ex-CEO and current chairman of a fortune 500 holding company, the guys are smart as hell and work/have worked very hard. It's a joke to think that any random person you grab off the street could do what they've done, might as well say the same thing about professional athletes.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Dude it's proposing a "voluntary" wealth threshold that is retardedly low,like so low you can't even buy a house in a decent area with it.No human being who has more then that much money will ever subscribe to voluntarily give it all away and cap themselves off. Goes completely against human nature.

So what do these communist people do next? Give up on their utopia? Or do they say "well we tried the voluntary route and people with their chitty morals won't take us up on it so now we have to pass legislation"?.
Almost every religion encourages charity/generosity and minimalism (in scripture, or in the lifestyle of prominent figures), however, members of every religion can be everything from fascists, to marxists, to libertarians, to centre-right to centre-left, to democratic socialists, etc. They can be philanthropists, wealth hoarders, or everything in between.

It doesn't necessarily follow that they will become marxists/socialists.

Regarding the bolded... We don't need to think in absolutes, it can be relative your location.
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Is there a crisis of inequality? Absolutely, written about it for years. The financial crisis, for example, showed the unfairness of privatised profits and socialised losses. Is too much wealth controlled by far too few people, who can subvert the political process?

Absolutely. 100%. Most miscers are absolute cuck idiots on the subject, working their t!ts off to make the rent, eating ramen noodles and defending their hard work making someone else rich, cos capitalism huh duh..

However, those two paragraphs op quotes are incredibly simplistic and stupid.

Hoarding property? Improves the quality of the housing stock. If there is a small profit to be made in providing houses, good, landlords invest, conditions improve. Buying sculpture? Good, make the sculptor richer, redistribute some wealth. Limit earnings? Who was cost of living in different cities? Why remove all incentive to innovate and create, to move technology forward, to improve efficiencies in all industries and services..

Stupid, stupid article.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Dude it's proposing a "voluntary" wealth threshold that is retardedly low, like so low you can't even buy a house in a decent area with it. No human being who has more then that much money will ever subscribe to voluntarily give it all away and cap themselves off.
It's rare, but there are cases.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/billio...-money-2015-10
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Originally Posted By NotANun21⏩
The way I see it is go ahead make your money

But if you spend £15k on a statue or a piece of artwork or something that doesn't do anything at all while other people starve on the streets, then you're a bit of a prick
So... artists don't deserve to get paid?

Seems like your issue is with the overpaid artists who aren't then spending their money the way you want them to....
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Originally Posted By NotANun21⏩
The way I see it is go ahead make your money

But if you spend £15k on a statue or a piece of artwork or something that doesn't do anything at all while other people starve on the streets, then you're a bit of a prick
but the other issue is when people rely on handouts just to exist, it cripples them as a sentient and independent being
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Originally Posted By aragon416⏩
sometimes i kind of agree with the idea that super rich people should at least help those who need help. I read an article a few weeks ago where charles barkley said that michael jordan plays golf and bets 300k a hole. and then you think that that money could help so many people and jordan is just potentially just throwing it away playing golf. but then again, it is his money and he can do w.e he wants with it.....so i dunno i can see both sides.
Except that the $300k doesn't get "thrown away"... it simply moves to someone else. And that person will likely spend or invest it, not burn it in the clubhouse fire pit. That spending/investing then helps others. Etc.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Wtf? You saying that business owners/highly compensated c level execs didn't work to get there? Running something that employs thousands of people is not that easy. It's not like they take 1/hr off thousands of people's earnings while sitting on the couch drinking a beer and miscing.
Owners of large enterprises are compensated at hundreds, sometimes thousands of times higher than the actual value they have contributed to the company. Workers are the individuals who actually create value, day on day, year on year. Yet most of this value is appropriated by individuals at the top, simply because they have a title of "owner" granted to them and backed up by state force. They don't have to add any continued labour or work of any sort themselves, yet can still collect the profit off the labour of thousands of others and choose what is done with it. This is wealth that is not gained through any metric of hard-work, but only through an entitlement that is enforced by something with as much power as the state.

When a 80 year old billionaire sees his personal wealth increase by $10 billion in a year, only if we completely divorce the word "earn" from any and all reasonable meaning, can we sit there with a straight face and claim that the individual "earned it". All of that extra value came from the work of other people, usually many thousands. This is why capitalism is fundamentally immoral.

Workers are also entirely capable of self-management instead of top-down authority; another thing which all anti-capitalist movements are based on.
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I would argue that "rich" is subjective. The 100k salary is arbitrary.

Hypothetically, a single man in West Orange, NJ making 200k/year as an employee and owning a 500k home, will pay roughly 19k in property taxes (3.8% assessed value), 66k in state, fed, and fica taxes, a couple thousand in sales taxes depending on spending. This person may pay 87k total in taxes depending on deductions. Are the 19k in property taxes enough of a contribution? What about the income taxes? A large portion of tax dollars are spent to help the poor.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Except that the $300k doesn't get "thrown away"... it simply moves to someone else. And that person will likely spend or invest it, not burn it in the clubhouse fire pit. That spending/investing then helps others. Etc.
Seems like no one told nutsy that trickle down economics is horse****, he's about 40 years behind the world on this one
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Originally Posted By BrocepCurls⏩
Seems like no one told nutsy that trickle down economics is horse****, he's about 40 years behind the world on this one
OK... so where the $300k go?

Unless it's lit on fire, or buried in a box... it ends up paying someone, supporting someone's business, allowing someone to buy their home, etc.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
OK... so where the $300k go?

Unless it's lit on fire, or buried in a box... it ends up paying someone, supporting someone's business, allowing someone to buy their home, etc.
In your fantasy world maybe; in the real world, excess wealth at the top tends to stay right there, at the top, and rarely finds its way to people who need it the most. This is why real income for the middle and lower classes have stagnated for decades while the wealth of the richest individuals in society continues to grow year on year and has now reached cartoonish levels of absurdity. Tell us nutsy, when is the wealth going to trickle down? Any day now, right?

Keep propagating drivel that has been dispelled since the 80s, lmao.
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Originally Posted By BrocepCurls⏩
In your fantasy world maybe; in the real world, excess wealth at the top tends to stay right there, at the top, and rarely finds its way to people who need it the most.
Yet you offer no explanation how that's possible, while ignoring multiple examples I've provided that contradict your claim. Who "needs it most", and who gets to decide that? Someone willing to work, produce a product/service, and earn a paycheck doesn't count, because you want someone else to get that money instead?
Tell us nutsy, when is the wealth going to trickle down? Any day now, right?
Why do I have to prove your claims? I didn't say anything about "trickle down". I directly asked how anyone can believe money gets"thrown away", instead you tried to deflect to trickle down.

If you can't directly address my points and questions, just say so.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Yet you offer no explanation how that's possible, while ignoring multiple examples I've provided that contradict your claim. Who "needs it most", and who gets to decide that? Someone willing to work, produce a product/service, and earn a paycheck doesn't count, because you want someone else to get that money instead?


Why do I have to prove your claims? I didn't say anything about "trickle down". I directly asked how anyone can believe money gets"thrown away", instead you tried to deflect to trickle down.

If you can't directly address my points and questions, just say so.
Your examples are fantasy, since decades of real world evidence suggest that wealth accrued at the top generally does not find its way to regular citizens. The money isn't "thrown away" literally, but it is concentrated further among the ultra-rich classes and doesn't, as per your implications, feed, house or support regular people and businesses.

For all intents and purposes, the money may as well have been thrown away, because it accomplishes nothing of substance other than make ultra-rich individuals, who aren't even capable of spending the money they already have, a little bit richer. This is thoroughly supported by data, while your wild fantasies are not.
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I don't hate rich people, I just hate how hard it is to become rich and how hard it is to move upward. The best way to become rich is to start a business, but how do you get money to start your first business? For example, if I wanted to open up a wing stop franchise, it cost around $200k. Even if you have perfect credit, they're not going to let you finance the whole thing. They want you to put up your own non-borrowed money, and they want you to have a certain net worth and liquid assets before they allow you to open one up. So where do you get that kind of money at to start off?
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
I don't hate rich people, I just hate how hard it is to become rich and how hard it is to move upward. The best way to become rich is to start a business, but how do you get money to start your first business? For example, if I wanted to open up a wing stop franchise, it cost around $200k. Even if you have perfect credit, they're not going to let you finance the whole thing. They want you to put up your own non-borrowed money, and they want you to have a certain net worth and liquid assets before they allow you to open one up. So where do you get that kind of money at to start off?
It's not hard to make a million dollars--you just need a great idea and a mentor to help get you started. Investors will jump on board later if you have a product that's proven to be in demand. You don't necessarily need to buy a 100k building to get started. It could be as simple as a $1000 app investment. That's the one good thing about the tech boom we're in right now.
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This entire argument is retarded.

The ingenuity and risk taking of the rich, venture capital, etc fund our entire economy. Without rich people, we'd be living in an agrarian society riding horses and eating chit and I'd be posting this from my papyrus scroll.
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just lmfao if you don't take out a small loan of a million dollars to build your empire.
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