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Thread: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby found not guilty of shooting unarmed man

post 1505227211 05-18-2017, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Who is more wrong?

1. Person not following police commands


2. Trigger happy cop who takes a life?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/us/tul...hooting-trial/

She responded to the call due to other motorist reporting Crutcher saying the car was going to explode.
On September 16, 2016, Crutcher's SUV was found stalled in the middle of the street. A witness called 911 and said a man was running away from the vehicle, warning that it was going to blow up.
Guy did not comply with police instructions
As she turned back to her patrol car, she saw Crutcher walking toward her, she testified. He alternated between putting his hands in his pockets and putting them in the air, Shelby said. Crutcher did not comply with her commands to "show me your hands," she testified.

Crutcher ignored orders from Shelby and another officer on the scene, Tyler Turnbough, according to Shelby's testimony. She testified that Crutcher put his hands on the SUV and moved to reach into the vehicle.
Guy was high on PCP
Shelby's lawyers cited an autopsy that found PCP in his system at the time of his shooting,
There was nothing trigger happy about this situation. The guy was given every chance to just comply with police instructions. The fact that this moron was on PCP and out driving where he could have killed someone combined with his previous arrests make every ounce of the officers story very believable.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Yeah just let them violate your civil rights and do whatever they say.

A cop better have a damn valid reason to even speak to me.
Bro it is not as clean and cut dried as that,

If every step you took on your job might cost you your life but more importantly than that it might mean your son or your doughter might wake up the next day without a mother or without a father then you would not feel this way

thier job is to protect you but they also deal with the scum OF THE EARTH each and every day. give them some credit for having the guts and the fortitude to walk out their door each morning with the uniform on.

its not for the money cause the money wont take you to Europe if you retire. bit if you save you [pennies you might be able to send your kids to college. A small price to pay yeah? for what is risked each day?

IF you dont agree then dont call 911 next time you need help
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
Plus the video from the chopper looked like he was reaching into his vehicle.
Wasn't the whole argument that his windows were up and he was putting his hands against them?
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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So I've read all 5 pages and what I'm going to say will not change the minds of the folks that hate the police but there are some things not being mentioned.

First the guy that was shot had a past. He wasn't the nice innocent guy you all hope he was. The cop didn't know that as she rolled up on the scene. What she did know was the day before there was a complaint of a guy matching his description and vehicle reportedly pointing a gun and shoot randomly. The call this time was a man parked in the middle of the road yelling his vehicle was going to blow up. The officer was trained to notice or see when some one was under the influence of drugs. She called in for back up and stated he smelled of PCP and she suspected he might be under the influence of drugs. During the trial a training video was shown of this exact thing and the guy did reach into his vehicle and pull out a gun and shot the trainee before he could react so she was following her training. Something else was reported in the beginning of this case that the other officer deployed his taser the exact same time she pulled her trigger. What ever he did made them both react at the same time.

So with all that being said, its not like she just rolled up and shot a guy with his hands up as he was following her instructions.
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Originally Posted By shootmike⏩
So I've read all 5 pages and what I'm going to say will not change the minds of the folks that hate the police but there are some things not being mentioned.

First the guy that was shot had a past. He wasn't the nice innocent guy you all hope he was. The cop didn't know that as she rolled up on the scene. What she did know was the day before there was a complaint of a guy matching his description and vehicle reportedly pointing a gun and shoot randomly. The call this time was a man parked in the middle of the road yelling his vehicle was going to blow up. The officer was trained to notice or see when some one was under the influence of drugs. She called in for back up and stated he smelled of PCP and she suspected he might be under the influence of drugs. During the trial a training video was shown of this exact thing and the guy did reach into his vehicle and pull out a gun and shot the trainee before he could react so she was following her training. Something else was reported in the beginning of this case that the other officer deployed his taser the exact same time she pulled her trigger. What ever he did made them both react at the same time.

So with all that being said, its not like she just rolled up and shot a guy with his hands up as he was following her instructions.
EXACTLY!!!!

you are not privy to what the police know about these scumbags.

so stop phucking calling for the heads of the people that keep your loved ones from getting raped and robbed and murdered
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ITT: SJW feigned outrage

Kinda sad it's on the misc where we're all supposed to be red meat eating Alpha Males too.
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Originally Posted By TommyTuffGuy⏩
ITT: SJW feigned outrage

Kinda sad it's on the misc where we're all supposed to be red meat eating Alpha Males too.
Being a Cop is totally ALPHA! In every way.

You strap on a gun. you pray and hope you never have to use it and you walk out the door not wanting to put people in jail just cause you can but wanting to put bad people in jail so that it protects the good people like YOU?

GET IT!
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
EXACTLY!!!!

you are not privy to what the police know about these scumbags.

so stop phucking calling for the heads of the people that keep your loved ones from getting raped and robbed and murdered
Half the time the cops are still stupid.

Most people can't shoot for chit. You have a vest. No offensive action has happened but instead of getting cover and trying to deescalate cops just stand in the open and blast away.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Half the time the cops are still stupid.

Most people can't shoot for chit. You have a vest. No offensive action has happened but instead of getting cover and trying to deescalate cops just stand in the open and blast away.
So youd let him get back into a vehicle that he could,

A, have a weapon
B, use as a weapon or
C, get an explosive device and use that since that was the nature of the call.

Good police work,bro i,cant believe you are not a chief somewhere
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Half the time the cops are still stupid.

Most people can't shoot for chit. You have a vest. No offensive action has happened but instead of getting cover and trying to deescalate cops just stand in the open and blast away.
Sorry man but you are a fool. You wouldn't last ten minutes on the street. Of course if you had proper training and see how these scenarios play out you wouldnt be on here talkng stupid chit
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
So youd let him get back into a vehicle that he could,

A, have a weapon
B, use as a weapon or
C, get an explosive device and use that since that was the nature of the call.

Good police work,bro i,cant believe you are not a chief somewhere
You should deescalate situations first and foremost.

But most cops escalate encounters from the beginning.

Cops think they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want 24/7
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You should deescalate situations first and foremost.

But most cops escalate encounters from the beginning.

Cops think they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want 24/7
you Sir are an IDIOT!
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
you Sir are an IDIOT!
Explain how so.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You should deescalate situations first and foremost.

But most cops escalate encounters from the beginning.

Cops think they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want 24/7
SRS here, because I respect you as a poster... explain how you would have handled that situation as the cop.

Keep in mind, the only information you know is the information Officer Shelby knew when arriving on scene.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
SRS here, because I respect you as a poster... explain how you would have handled that situation as the cop.

Keep in mind, the only information you know is the information Officer Shelby knew when arriving on scene.
Doesnt change the fact that the windows were up, he didnt reach for the door to open it, he was unarmed, and there was no weapon in the car.

The whore panicked, made the wrong choice, shes lucky shes not serving time, but she should no longer service the community. Find another job where you can push papers and not kill any one.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
SRS here, because I respect you as a poster... explain how you would have handled that situation as the cop.

Keep in mind, the only information you know is the information Officer Shelby knew when arriving on scene.
First I never made an exact comment ITT about what I thought of this shooting. Just cop actions in general and one cop's statement OBEY ORDERS!

Secondly I haven't looked at the video in a long time but again distance is your friend. Numbers are your friend. So maintain distance and wait for help when possible if you're going into a call scared.

Is this the absolute worst cop killing in a while no but it also isn't a great shooting either.

Much worse cases of cops killing people for sure.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You should deescalate situations first and foremost.

But most cops escalate encounters from the beginning.

Cops think they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want 24/7
Yup people on PCP are very easy to de escalate


Lmfao seriously stfu its pathetic
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
First I never made an exact comment ITT about what I thought of this shooting. Just cop actions in general and one cop's statement OBEY ORDERS!

Secondly I haven't looked at the video in a long time but again distance is your friend. Numbers are your friend. So maintain distance and wait for help when possible if you're going into a call scared.

Is this the absolute worst cop killing in a while no but it also isn't a great shooting either.

Much worse cases of cops killing people for sure.
Sigh

You dont do that when the report is that he had a possible explosive device. You dont know,chit about tactics or police work so just stop its embarassing
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Originally Posted By Aesthetical⏩
Doesnt change the fact that the windows were up, he didnt reach for the door to open it, he was unarmed, and there was no weapon in the car.

The whore panicked, made the wrong choice, shes lucky shes not serving time, but she should no longer service the community. Find another job where you can push papers and not kill any one.
There have been numerous rebuttals to this.
Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
First I never made an exact comment ITT about what I thought of this shooting. Just cop actions in general and one cop's statement OBEY ORDERS!

Secondly I haven't looked at the video in a long time but again distance is your friend. Numbers are your friend. So maintain distance and wait for help when possible if you're going into a call scared.

Is this the absolute worst cop killing in a while no but it also isn't a great shooting either.

Much worse cases of cops killing people for sure.
Fair enough, I agree this wasn't a great shoot, but not an unjustified one.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Explain how so.
Look you are calling people stupid for taking action against someone they have intelligence on yet you do not.

do you get what im saying?

you see a police shooting on the news and all you see is the video. you dont know if the officer involved has intelligence on that persions past history. if they are violent of if they carry a gun or if they hate law enforcement . yet you want to act like a jennie out of a bottle who knows everything.

you dont know jack chit so how about not putting your two cents worth in.

This female got scared pure and simple. she had no ill intent. but she clearly is not qualified for street duty
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Lmao all the apologists in this thread are ridiculous. Lmao the silly justifications these little guys use are crazy

"hur dur... His car was broke down so shooting was justified, it danger!"

"Cops are at war when they wake up and put the badge on, cant risk it, they had to shoot"

Just lmao. Gtfo

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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
Lmao all the apologists in this thread are ridiculous. Lmao the silly justifications these little guys use are crazy

"hur dur... His car was broke down so shooting was justified, it danger!"

"Cops are at war when they wake up and put the badge on, cant risk it, they had to shoot"

Just lmao. Gtfo

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They didmt shoot him because his car was broken down you moron god damn idiotic people like you are the worst and have no business posting
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
They didmt shoot him because his car was broken down you moron god damn idiotic people like you are the worst and have no business posting
Why was he shot? He didnt go in car, didnt reach, didnt have reason too, no issues. Anyways he wasnt a suspect of anything, and he was unarmed so afterwards that proves a lot, just a dude with broke down car. Thats a problem.

I would understand maybe little more if he was on the run and chit but he wasnt, even then shooting would be a bad shoot too cuz no immediate justification

I swear mate this is how most american cops are

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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
Why was he shot? He didnt go in car, didnt reach, didnt have reason too, no issues.

I swear mate this is how most american cops are

His window was open and she believed he was reaching in, she also could not see thru metal to know there was no weapon. Know 100% how,he would not have been shot, had he obeyed the cops orders. Shocker i know
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
His window was open and she believed he was reaching in, she also could not see thru metal to know there was no weapon. Know 100% how,he would not have been shot, had he obeyed the cops orders. Shocker i know
What if he was grabbing id/paper?!

Anyway this case is old. Let me ask you your opinion on the thing that happened yesterday.

Did you see the video of a bunch of "bodyguards" from turkey attacking americans. They where kicking downed women, strangling people, beating americans up.some of the turks clearly had sidearms. Cops where baton striking the turks telling them to get the fuack away and stop.

My question is how come the cops didnt shoot the turks? If someone is attacking an american and has a firearm that makes it a major crime. With such trigger happy cops usually shooting unarmed people...how come they didnt shoot those guys?
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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
What if he was grabbing id/paper?!

Anyway this case is old. Let me ask you your opinion on the thing that happened yesterday.

Did you see the video of a bunch of "bodyguards" from turkey attacking americans. They where kicking downed women, strangling people, beating americans up.some of the turks clearly had sidearms. Cops where baton striking the turks telling them to get the fuack away and stop.

My question is how come the cops didnt shoot the turks? If someone is attacking an american and has a firearm that makes it a major crime. With such trigger happy cops usually shooting unarmed people...how come they didnt shoot those guys?
Was he asked to grab ID from his vehicle? No he wasnt, he was told to get on the ground. FYI normal people dont disobey cops orders when they have guns pointed at them.

Wtf does that have to do with anything?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Was he asked to grab ID from his vehicle? No he wasnt, he was told to get on the ground. FYI normal people dont disobey cops orders when they have guns pointed at them.

Wtf does that have to do with anything?
Why was guns pointed at him? What did he do that made guns pointed?

Also answer about the turkey situation. Its weird cops have hair triggers on questionable shoots, but when they see foreign guys with firearms attacking americans they dont do anything?
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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
Why was guns pointed at him? What did he do that made guns pointed?

Also answer about the turkey situation. Its weird cops have hair triggers on questionable shoots, but when they see foreign guys with firearms attacking americans they dont do anything?
He was on PCP and acting eratic/refused to obey.

No foreign security carries firearms on US soil.
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