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Why don't more women get computer science degrees?
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Originally Posted By bretmarathon⏩
Because most would rather work with people, although you won't convince a far leftist that. They would say that evil men discourage women from doing it and bar their entry into STEM fields.Why don't more women get computer science degrees?
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12-16-2018, 01:38 PM
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Covered mostly, but OP as to a psych degree:
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
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12-16-2018, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
It depends on your theory of justice. If you don't view the death penalty as a punitive measure against someone's immoral soul, but rather as an action to remove any threat to the collective by the individual and to act as a deterrent against similar future actions by others, it still makes sense.Covered mostly, but OP as to a psych degree:
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
It's like dismantling a broken machine.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
No one in psych believes in free will.Covered mostly, but OP as to a psych degree:
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
- would pursue if it is your area of interest and you want to f/u with higher level degree(s)
- could be a good minor or as a double major since knowing how to handle people can be useful in any field that includes people
- will tick off the employer "have a BS" box as good as anything
On that psychology nature/nurture thing I would recommend watching Sapolsky's Stanford lectures on youtube. It will be interesting to see how things unfold as research continues. Because it looks a lot like free will isn't really a thing. And if that is so then what does that mean for how society deals with those on the dole, or criminals?
That's a religious concept slash legal one.
Hans Vaihinger wrote a book a long time ago called The Philosophy of As If that heavily influenced Alfred Adler whose ideas later morphed into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
Vainhinger based his ideas on Kant. He said we have to pretend there's order to things in order to stop humans from creating a free for all. So, the idea of free will has been used in religion and law to create the fantasy that people make informed choices.
Really, it should not be talked about anymore. It's a reason I hate psych in the academic sense. Progress has been stopped a long time ago as the same issues keep getting rehashed. This is boring as compared to something like computers which I assume have a lot more progress to offer.
Behaviorists never believed in free will.
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12-16-2018, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wish I was working with you at the hospital, you're very smart and it would be a lot of fun.Well, to be fair, Freeman Dyson is a physicist so he always views it through the lens of how it can connect to and be used for science.
I mean...eventually, yes. The picture of how the brain functions will be a synthesis of organismal biology, cell and molecular biology, and biochemistry. The fields of neurology, neuroscience, and psychology would eventually all be merged or feed into each other. Once we start getting some really good models, you may even start seeing some sort of computational prediction algorithms that can identify, classify, and predict human behaviors and mental illnesses. That's what I expect to see in the future. It will be a fusion of many areas of science. Yes, psychology will get harder. I'd imagine that in the future, computer science will be core work that everyone will learn, much like the fields of writing and reading are today. A psychologist of the future will spend a lot of time looking at behavior analysis algorithms and the theory behind them.
Don't get me wrong. Everything I said ITT about physics being superior etc was mostly in jest. Psychology is an extremely important science. We just haven't figured out enough yet. I should know since I am currently a partial hospitalization patient in a CBT therapy program. While their methods seem crude and ridiculous at times, they have empirically observed benefits to this type of therapy. It IS a science, just a really "soft" one...for now. But it still is a step in the right direction. It is important that we keep making these steps.
I'll remind everyone what early chemistry looked like: a bunch of people dicking around with lead trying to make gold. And look where we are now. We will keep marching steadily forward unless we wipe ourselves out. The future is going to be very different from anything we can imagine, much like teaching children the basic principles of geometry was unfathomable 2000 years ago. Chit, in some schools, they are starting to teach basic quantum mechanics along with special relativity in high schools. Some bright freshman in college already know what diodes and transistors are and understand the p-n junction, etc on a rudimentary level.
Even the general public seems to be aware of a kind of butchered version of the double slit experiment, which, while it makes me cringe, reminds me that we are steadily marching forward as a species towards a better understanding. Remember the popularity of Interstellar? I tell myself this whenever I see all this quantum woo chit. This is still a sign that people are excited to learn, understand, and talk about recent developments of science. It is a good sign of things to come. I just hope the voices of reason don't get drowned out by fuks like Deepak Chopra or Robert Lanza.
If you are referring to me, I punctuate when it is convenient. lol
And my physics Chad thing was to be taken in jest. I still do think that CS, ChemE, EE, or Statistics are the best ways to get jobs these days. The pure sciences are saturated with people. There is no shortage of scientists.
I mean...eventually, yes. The picture of how the brain functions will be a synthesis of organismal biology, cell and molecular biology, and biochemistry. The fields of neurology, neuroscience, and psychology would eventually all be merged or feed into each other. Once we start getting some really good models, you may even start seeing some sort of computational prediction algorithms that can identify, classify, and predict human behaviors and mental illnesses. That's what I expect to see in the future. It will be a fusion of many areas of science. Yes, psychology will get harder. I'd imagine that in the future, computer science will be core work that everyone will learn, much like the fields of writing and reading are today. A psychologist of the future will spend a lot of time looking at behavior analysis algorithms and the theory behind them.
Don't get me wrong. Everything I said ITT about physics being superior etc was mostly in jest. Psychology is an extremely important science. We just haven't figured out enough yet. I should know since I am currently a partial hospitalization patient in a CBT therapy program. While their methods seem crude and ridiculous at times, they have empirically observed benefits to this type of therapy. It IS a science, just a really "soft" one...for now. But it still is a step in the right direction. It is important that we keep making these steps.
I'll remind everyone what early chemistry looked like: a bunch of people dicking around with lead trying to make gold. And look where we are now. We will keep marching steadily forward unless we wipe ourselves out. The future is going to be very different from anything we can imagine, much like teaching children the basic principles of geometry was unfathomable 2000 years ago. Chit, in some schools, they are starting to teach basic quantum mechanics along with special relativity in high schools. Some bright freshman in college already know what diodes and transistors are and understand the p-n junction, etc on a rudimentary level.
Even the general public seems to be aware of a kind of butchered version of the double slit experiment, which, while it makes me cringe, reminds me that we are steadily marching forward as a species towards a better understanding. Remember the popularity of Interstellar? I tell myself this whenever I see all this quantum woo chit. This is still a sign that people are excited to learn, understand, and talk about recent developments of science. It is a good sign of things to come. I just hope the voices of reason don't get drowned out by fuks like Deepak Chopra or Robert Lanza.
If you are referring to me, I punctuate when it is convenient. lol
And my physics Chad thing was to be taken in jest. I still do think that CS, ChemE, EE, or Statistics are the best ways to get jobs these days. The pure sciences are saturated with people. There is no shortage of scientists.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Free will really isn't that cut and dry. It comes down to more than just genetic predispositions, but of course that is a major player. This is an interesting debate on it:No one in psych believes in free will.
That's a religious concept slash legal one.
Hans Vaihinger wrote a book a long time ago called The Philosophy of As If that heavily influenced Alfred Adler whose ideas later morphed into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
Vainhinger based his ideas on Kant. He said we have to pretend there's order to things in order to stop humans from creating a free for all. So, the idea of free will has been used in religion and law to create the fantasy that people make informed choices.
Really, it should not be talked about anymore. It's a reason I hate psych in the academic sense. Progress has been stopped a long time ago as the same issues keep getting rehashed. This is boring as compared to something like computers which I assume have a lot more progress to offer.
Behaviorists never believed in free will.
That's a religious concept slash legal one.
Hans Vaihinger wrote a book a long time ago called The Philosophy of As If that heavily influenced Alfred Adler whose ideas later morphed into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
Vainhinger based his ideas on Kant. He said we have to pretend there's order to things in order to stop humans from creating a free for all. So, the idea of free will has been used in religion and law to create the fantasy that people make informed choices.
Really, it should not be talked about anymore. It's a reason I hate psych in the academic sense. Progress has been stopped a long time ago as the same issues keep getting rehashed. This is boring as compared to something like computers which I assume have a lot more progress to offer.
Behaviorists never believed in free will.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
ffs brah, I know some people developed this subtheme in the thread but my OP's question/observation has nothing to do with that you said. I am asking whether there is a job market relevant for that degree. The fact you can end up in tech, finance etc with a humanity is well-known lmao.For those bashing liberal arts degrees, as you progress through your career it's really the experience in the relevant field you have, and a degree is what you need to open the corporate door.
For example, I'm hiring for a senior financial analyst at a mid-sized company. Financial planning kind of stuff, not investing. The gal I'm going to offer the job to was a marketing major but she found her way into a finance role somewhere along the way. With about 15 years of experience she'll be getting paid around $115k.
For example, I'm hiring for a senior financial analyst at a mid-sized company. Financial planning kind of stuff, not investing. The gal I'm going to offer the job to was a marketing major but she found her way into a finance role somewhere along the way. With about 15 years of experience she'll be getting paid around $115k.
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12-16-2018, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
thx brahI wish I was working with you at the hospital, you're very smart and it would be a lot of fun.
I don't know what's going on with you but I can tell you're very intelligent.
Smart people suffer a lot and can accidentally alienate those around them by accident.
Don't get down on yourself and stay strong.
I don't know what's going on with you but I can tell you're very intelligent.
Smart people suffer a lot and can accidentally alienate those around them by accident.
Don't get down on yourself and stay strong.
12-16-2018, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Well the death penalty would be the worst case I guess.It depends on your theory of justice. If you don't view the death penalty as a punitive measure against someone's immoral soul, but rather as an action to remove any threat to the collective by the individual and to act as a deterrent against similar future actions by others, it still makes sense.
It's like dismantling a broken machine.
It's like dismantling a broken machine.
I was more pondering the justification for treating other humans as "less than".
The idea that people that are not able to hold down a good job that covers their living expenses deserve to just starve on the streets. Not wanting to contribute to the welfare of others (usually applied to strangers by most people) is self-interest. But it can also be seen as selfish/cold.
The concept that the poor are lazy deadbeats that deserve what they get allows people to feel good about their choice to keep as much as they can for themselves.
If it becomes widely accepted that those people did not have a real choice about their present circumstance would that change attitudes or policies?
As to crime how would punishment evolve? For violent crime incarceration may still make sense (public safety), but what about non-violent crime?
That system is already very stupid.
Happen to know that in TX at least a lot of "crime" is just poor people being poor and getting penalized for it. Tends to snowball. Can't afford car insurance, get a ticket, still can't afford insurance to clear the ticket, goes to warrant and license can be suspended with lots of fees tacked on. Eventual outcome is a low income person sitting in jail to "pay" their ticket. Good chance they lose their job. And it costs money for them to sit in jail too. So the taxpayer gets to pay for them to sit in jail and then possibly pay again for them to receive benefits due to being unemployed.
Makes no sense to me.
Someone steals or can't pay fees/taxes seems to me we would be better served by requiring them to attend a mandatory job training program. Probably wouldn't cost any more than having them sit in a cell.
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12-16-2018, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I absolutely agree on all that. We really need to reform the way we look at poverty, substance dependence, and mental health.Well the death penalty would be the worst case I guess.
I was more pondering the justification for treating other humans as "less than".
The idea that people that are not able to hold down a good job that covers their living expenses deserve to just starve on the streets. Not wanting to contribute to the welfare of others (usually applied to strangers by most people) is self-interest. But it can also be seen as selfish/cold.
The concept that the poor are lazy deadbeats that deserve what they get allows people to feel good about their choice to keep as much as they can for themselves.
If it becomes widely accepted that those people did not have a real choice about their present circumstance would that change attitudes or policies?
As to crime how would punishment evolve? For violent crime incarceration may still make sense (public safety), but what about non-violent crime?
That system is already very stupid.
Happen to know that in TX at least a lot of "crime" is just poor people being poor and getting penalized for it. Tends to snowball. Can't afford car insurance, get a ticket, still can't afford insurance to clear the ticket, goes to warrant and license can be suspended with lots of fees tacked on. Eventual outcome is a low income person sitting in jail to "pay" their ticket. Good chance they lose their job. And it costs money for them to sit in jail too. So the taxpayer gets to pay for them to sit in jail and then possibly pay again for them to receive benefits due to being unemployed.
Makes no sense to me.
Someone steals or can't pay fees/taxes seems to me we would be better served by requiring them to attend a mandatory job training program. Probably wouldn't cost any more than having them sit in a cell.
I was more pondering the justification for treating other humans as "less than".
The idea that people that are not able to hold down a good job that covers their living expenses deserve to just starve on the streets. Not wanting to contribute to the welfare of others (usually applied to strangers by most people) is self-interest. But it can also be seen as selfish/cold.
The concept that the poor are lazy deadbeats that deserve what they get allows people to feel good about their choice to keep as much as they can for themselves.
If it becomes widely accepted that those people did not have a real choice about their present circumstance would that change attitudes or policies?
As to crime how would punishment evolve? For violent crime incarceration may still make sense (public safety), but what about non-violent crime?
That system is already very stupid.
Happen to know that in TX at least a lot of "crime" is just poor people being poor and getting penalized for it. Tends to snowball. Can't afford car insurance, get a ticket, still can't afford insurance to clear the ticket, goes to warrant and license can be suspended with lots of fees tacked on. Eventual outcome is a low income person sitting in jail to "pay" their ticket. Good chance they lose their job. And it costs money for them to sit in jail too. So the taxpayer gets to pay for them to sit in jail and then possibly pay again for them to receive benefits due to being unemployed.
Makes no sense to me.
Someone steals or can't pay fees/taxes seems to me we would be better served by requiring them to attend a mandatory job training program. Probably wouldn't cost any more than having them sit in a cell.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Lol I just Google'd Deepak Chopra and cringed very hard.thx brah
How is this **** not censored in 2k18 ?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
People still think being a doctor = smart, and he uses the word "quantum" a lot and acts like he is incorporating some sort of ancient wisdom into what he is saying because he is brown. So all the liberal hippy kunts who converted to hinduism and pray to vishnu or some chit love to suck his dink and swallow his masala flavored baby batter while they do their yoga poses and connect with their inner chakra or some chit.Lol I just Google'd Deepak Chopra and cringed very hard.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Ded.People still think being a doctor = smart, and he uses the word "quantum" a lot and acts like he is incorporating some sort of ancient wisdom into what he is saying because he is brown. So all the liberal hippy kunts who converted to hinduism and pray to vishnu or some chit love to suck his dink and swallow his masala flavored baby batter while they do their yoga poses and connect with their inner chakra or some chit.
Tbf he is not dumb- he is actually a con-artist who sees an opportunity to make money, just like Doctor Oz. Medical morals and values out of the window, but they are just playing the snake oil big bucks game lol.
Why doesn't the government/FDA regulate this **** tho when it is not scientifically sound, regardless whether people appeal to authority or not? Just censor it.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Free speech, and they are not experts in the fields of physics. There is no law against peddling false information as long as it isn't damaging to someone's reputation or business. Sadly, defaming the most profound area of science mankind ever stumbled upon isn't against the law lol.Ded.
Tbf he is not dumb- he is actually a con-artist who sees an opportunity to make money, just like Doctor Oz. Medical morals and values out of the window, but they are just playing the snake oil big bucks game lol.
Why doesn't the government/FDA regulate this **** tho when it is not scientifically sound, regardless whether people appeal to authority or not? Just censor it.
Tbf he is not dumb- he is actually a con-artist who sees an opportunity to make money, just like Doctor Oz. Medical morals and values out of the window, but they are just playing the snake oil big bucks game lol.
Why doesn't the government/FDA regulate this **** tho when it is not scientifically sound, regardless whether people appeal to authority or not? Just censor it.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
That's sad tho not only because of what you said but also because a lot of people get fooled into thinking that and some of them end up from Stage I to Stage IV of some cancers (where you go from curable to terminal) doing nothing but doing broscience treatment. Sad !Free speech, and they are not experts in the fields of physics. There is no law against peddling false information as long as it isn't damaging to someone's reputation or business. Sadly, defaming the most profound area of science mankind ever stumbled upon isn't against the law lol.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Therearepsychologists doing this research already. The most problematic assumption by many ITT is that "psychology" = just people administering therapy. There are many different paths within psych as a field. PsyDs are mostly consumers of research at best and aren't as likely to have evidence-based practice when compared to clinical psychologists, who consumeandproduce research. There are counselling psychologists, which again aren't as evidence-based. Social workers who do "therapy" even less so. Some clinical psychologists maintain a practice where they do therapy, whereas others are focused completely on the research side of things.Well, to be fair, Freeman Dyson is a physicist so he always views it through the lens of how it can connect to and be used for science.
I mean...eventually, yes. The picture of how the brain functions will be a synthesis of organismal biology, cell and molecular biology, and biochemistry. The fields of neurology, neuroscience, and psychology would eventually all be merged or feed into each other.Once we start getting some really good models, you may even start seeing some sort of computational prediction algorithms that can identify, classify, and predict human behaviors and mental illnesses. That's what I expect to see in the future. It will be a fusion of many areas of science. Yes, psychology will get harder. I'd imagine that in the future, computer science will be core work that everyone will learn, much like the fields of writing and reading are today. A psychologist of the future will spend a lot of time looking at behavior analysis algorithms and the theory behind them.
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I mean...eventually, yes. The picture of how the brain functions will be a synthesis of organismal biology, cell and molecular biology, and biochemistry. The fields of neurology, neuroscience, and psychology would eventually all be merged or feed into each other.Once we start getting some really good models, you may even start seeing some sort of computational prediction algorithms that can identify, classify, and predict human behaviors and mental illnesses. That's what I expect to see in the future. It will be a fusion of many areas of science. Yes, psychology will get harder. I'd imagine that in the future, computer science will be core work that everyone will learn, much like the fields of writing and reading are today. A psychologist of the future will spend a lot of time looking at behavior analysis algorithms and the theory behind them.
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For the latter, the research done varies greatly, as it does in any discipline. But there are some that purely use mathematical modelling to study psychological disorders and the human mind in general; others use modelling and algorithms to predict disorders but also have other aspects to their research; and others use quantitative methods in analyzing data but don't employ mathematical models beyond that. If you look into research that is taking place in modelling schizophrenia, predicting depression, etc., you'll see that what you describe is already taking place, as is the use of biological markers in research for these disorders. And this is being done by psychologists.
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"Research", "modeling", "quantitative methods".......what's that line about dressing up a pig again?
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
lolwat? Who told her to go get a business management masters without any business experience?my cousin majored in that and now shes doing her mba.
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It's a degree only if you are going to do something post-graduate, or you just need a degree for a position. The goal: Easy subject so you can get a good GPA.
My opinion though is that if you are going to spend 4 years and a lot of time, as well as spend a lot of money, make it something you can really use but I could imagine understanding phycology, knowing why people's mind work the way they do, could have uses, just nothing you are going to be able to make money with initially. Phycology is along the lines of communications and other degrees where you learn a skill, just not ones where you can make a living.
There are a few degrees such as women's studies and gender studies which litterally, you learn nothing that could be used with anything.
My opinion though is that if you are going to spend 4 years and a lot of time, as well as spend a lot of money, make it something you can really use but I could imagine understanding phycology, knowing why people's mind work the way they do, could have uses, just nothing you are going to be able to make money with initially. Phycology is along the lines of communications and other degrees where you learn a skill, just not ones where you can make a living.
There are a few degrees such as women's studies and gender studies which litterally, you learn nothing that could be used with anything.
12-16-2018, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Dan
Sure, but it isn't mainstream yet. But soon, it will be.Therearepsychologists doing this research already. The most problematic assumption by many ITT is that "psychology" = just people administering therapy. There are many different paths within psych as a field. PsyDs are mostly consumers of research at best and aren't as likely to have evidence-based practice when compared to clinical psychologists, who consumeandproduce research. There are counselling psychologists, which again aren't as evidence-based. Social workers who do "therapy" even less so. Some clinical psychologists maintain a practice where they do therapy, whereas others are focused completely on the research side of things.
For the latter, the research done varies greatly, as it does in any discipline. But there are some that purely use mathematical modelling to study psychological disorders and the human mind in general; others use modelling and algorithms to predict disorders but also have other aspects to their research; and others use quantitative methods in analyzing data but don't employ mathematical models beyond that. If you look into research that is taking place in modelling schizophrenia, predicting depression, etc., you'll see that what you describe is already taking place, as is the use of biological markers in research for these disorders. And this is being done by psychologists.
For the latter, the research done varies greatly, as it does in any discipline. But there are some that purely use mathematical modelling to study psychological disorders and the human mind in general; others use modelling and algorithms to predict disorders but also have other aspects to their research; and others use quantitative methods in analyzing data but don't employ mathematical models beyond that. If you look into research that is taking place in modelling schizophrenia, predicting depression, etc., you'll see that what you describe is already taking place, as is the use of biological markers in research for these disorders. And this is being done by psychologists.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Again, no one is disputing this. It is about the number of clinical psych positions for therapy, research etc.It's a degree only if you are going to do something post-graduate, or you just need a degree for a position. The goal: Easy subject so you can get a good GPA.
My opinion though is that if you are going to spend 4 years and a lot of time, as well as spend a lot of money, make it something you can really use but I could imagine understanding phycology, knowing why people's mind work the way they do, could have uses, just nothing you are going to be able to make money with initially. Phycology is along the lines of communications and other degrees where you learn a skill, just not ones where you can make a living.
There are a few degrees such as women's studies and gender studies which litterally, you learn nothing that could be used with anything.
My opinion though is that if you are going to spend 4 years and a lot of time, as well as spend a lot of money, make it something you can really use but I could imagine understanding phycology, knowing why people's mind work the way they do, could have uses, just nothing you are going to be able to make money with initially. Phycology is along the lines of communications and other degrees where you learn a skill, just not ones where you can make a living.
There are a few degrees such as women's studies and gender studies which litterally, you learn nothing that could be used with anything.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Surely those research methodologies for understanding the brain/psychology will be done by mathematicians/computer scientists - not pure psychologists ?Sure, but it isn't mainstream yet. But soon, it will be.
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You mean for a bachelor's? God no. It is worthwhile if you get an advanced degree. You can't do research with a bachelor's and you can't see patients either.
It's not terribly different than those clowns who major in pre-med. If they don't go on to medical school they end up with some garbage biology degree or something they can't do sh*t with. Problem with psych majors is a lot of them don't realize is it's necessary to go beyond bachelor's for it to be worthwhile, which is why it's turned into a joke/meme because the job market is flooded with a bunch of retards who didn't plan ahead appropriately.
It's not terribly different than those clowns who major in pre-med. If they don't go on to medical school they end up with some garbage biology degree or something they can't do sh*t with. Problem with psych majors is a lot of them don't realize is it's necessary to go beyond bachelor's for it to be worthwhile, which is why it's turned into a joke/meme because the job market is flooded with a bunch of retards who didn't plan ahead appropriately.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
what happens when u get to the advanced degree level, what is there ?You mean for a bachelor's? God no. It is worthwhile if you get an advanced degree. You can't do research with a bachelor's and you can't see patients either.
It's not terribly different than those clowns who major in pre-med. If they don't go on to medical school they end up with some garbage biology degree or something they can't do sh*t with. Problem with psych majors is a lot of them don't realize is it's necessary to go beyond bachelor's for it to be worthwhile, which is why it's turned into a joke/meme because the job market is flooded with a bunch of retards who didn't plan ahead appropriately.
It's not terribly different than those clowns who major in pre-med. If they don't go on to medical school they end up with some garbage biology degree or something they can't do sh*t with. Problem with psych majors is a lot of them don't realize is it's necessary to go beyond bachelor's for it to be worthwhile, which is why it's turned into a joke/meme because the job market is flooded with a bunch of retards who didn't plan ahead appropriately.
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Originally Posted By Dan
That's pretty good.Therearepsychologists doing this research already. The most problematic assumption by many ITT is that "psychology" = just people administering therapy. There are many different paths within psych as a field. PsyDs are mostly consumers of research at best and aren't as likely to have evidence-based practice when compared to clinical psychologists, who consumeandproduce research. There are counselling psychologists, which again aren't as evidence-based. Social workers who do "therapy" even less so. Some clinical psychologists maintain a practice where they do therapy, whereas others are focused completely on the research side of things.
For the latter, the research done varies greatly, as it does in any discipline. But there are some that purely use mathematical modelling to study psychological disorders and the human mind in general; others use modelling and algorithms to predict disorders but also have other aspects to their research; and others use quantitative methods in analyzing data but don't employ mathematical models beyond that. If you look into research that is taking place in modelling schizophrenia, predicting depression, etc., you'll see that what you describe is already taking place, as is the use of biological markers in research for these disorders. And this is being done by psychologists.
For the latter, the research done varies greatly, as it does in any discipline. But there are some that purely use mathematical modelling to study psychological disorders and the human mind in general; others use modelling and algorithms to predict disorders but also have other aspects to their research; and others use quantitative methods in analyzing data but don't employ mathematical models beyond that. If you look into research that is taking place in modelling schizophrenia, predicting depression, etc., you'll see that what you describe is already taking place, as is the use of biological markers in research for these disorders. And this is being done by psychologists.
There's all kinds of aspects to it.
However, the pitfall with research is that it's largely dead. There's tons of ethical issues with research that has pretty much killed it.
Neurological stuff tends to be a pseudoscience as it suffers from Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc causation problems, which should be clear and that's why it's a pseudoscience. A post hoc error is where you look at the end product of something and conclude it's the cause. That's a HUGE problem with brain research saying the cause of behavior is what's observed functioning in the brain.
The real explanation is that thoughts, which are unobservable and unexplainable, trigger brain function. Brain function doesn't cause thoughts. Thoughts are the product of learning. Learning and the collection it creates called "The mind" are beyond science.
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12-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Lolwut? Never go full retard brah. There's documented evidence of clinical psychology improving lives.Just lol at this garbage. Your "psychology" has been around for about 100 years give or take, and the results from this field suggest that we still don't understand the actual SCIENCE behind how the brain works. I have no need for unfalsifiable crap theories......give me real science. NEXT.
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