Thread: Is diversity failing the USA?
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Originally Posted By sam212⏩
You just compared Germans, Norwegians and Swedes, Italians, and people from Europe, all countries that have had some of the most advanced countries in the world, with Mexicans, Africans, Muslims from ME countries, and people from C and S America......who all have some of the least advanced and poorest countries in the world.I’m all for secure borders and against illegal immigration, but this is patently false.
Massive immigration out of Germany in early to mid 1800s. There was massive immigration out of Ireland in mid to late 1800s in to early 1900s. Same with scandanvia. Huge numbers from Italy and Eastern Europe in early 1900s along with Jews which led to 1924 immigration act. Let’s be honest here.
Massive immigration out of Germany in early to mid 1800s. There was massive immigration out of Ireland in mid to late 1800s in to early 1900s. Same with scandanvia. Huge numbers from Italy and Eastern Europe in early 1900s along with Jews which led to 1924 immigration act. Let’s be honest here.
Cmon mannnnnn!
11-07-2020, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Yep, I'm not sure what is so difficult to grasp here...You just compared Germans, Norwegians and Swedes, Italians, and people from Europe, all countries that have had some of the most advanced countries in the world, with Mexicans, Africans, Muslims from ME countries, and people from C and S America......who all have some of the least advanced and poorest countries in the world.
Cmon mannnnnn!
Cmon mannnnnn!
11-07-2020, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Yes, because there was ton of poverty and starvation in Europe at that time. These countries were nothing like what they are today. Immigrants from these countries came here for economic reasons just as it is true today from Central and south American countries, except they were white and therefore assimilation was smooth.You just compared Germans, Norwegians and Swedes, Italians, and people from Europe, all countries that have had some of the most advanced countries in the world, with Mexicans, Africans, Muslims from ME countries, and people from C and S America......who all have some of the least advanced and poorest countries in the world.
Cmon mannnnnn!
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Originally Posted By sam212⏩
Question is why are you not getting people from those countries? Answer is simple. Immigration is almost always due to economic reasons, exception is war (refugees). Norway and Ireland of today cannot be compared to Norway and Ireland of late 1800s. They were much poorer (likely poorer than most of Middle East which was under the ottomans at the time). It was so bad that they lost half of their population, people were literally starving. These immigrants faced a lot of hardships when they came to America, no doubt. But they were able to assimilate in 2 generations because they were Northern Europeans. Italians and Eastern European’s had a harder time assimilating and they were officially barred from immigrating in 1924. Let’s be honest here. Immigrants today, even assimilated, will likely not meet all your standard because they are non-white.
Originally Posted By sam212⏩
There's nothing wrong with stopping or slowing down immigration if a group of people is having trouble assimilating. That's the rational and intelligent thing for a country to do, like the United States used to be before it became corrupted.I’m all for secure borders and against illegal immigration, but this is patently false.
Massive immigration out of Germany in early to mid 1800s. There was massive immigration out of Ireland in mid to late 1800s in to early 1900s. Same with scandanvia. Huge numbers from Italy and Eastern Europe in early 1900s along with Jews which led to 1924 immigration act. Let’s be honest here.
Massive immigration out of Germany in early to mid 1800s. There was massive immigration out of Ireland in mid to late 1800s in to early 1900s. Same with scandanvia. Huge numbers from Italy and Eastern Europe in early 1900s along with Jews which led to 1924 immigration act. Let’s be honest here.
Yeah but birth rates were always high. Immigrants feel it more necessary to assimilate when native birth rates are high. I can dig for the source for you but you're vastly underestimating how many people white Americans have British DNA. Birth rates used to be high. I'm German and Italian by the way.
11-07-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
32% of US immigrants have a bachelor's degree or better, compared to 33% of US-born citizens. Since 2013 it's been in the mid 40% range. Other than Mexico and Central America, the majority of immigrants to the States have a higher education. You aren't just hating on Hispanics though, are you?You just compared Germans, Norwegians and Swedes, Italians, and people from Europe, all countries that have had some of the most advanced countries in the world, with Mexicans, Africans, Muslims from ME countries, and people from C and S America......who all have some of the least advanced and poorest countries in the world.
Cmon mannnnnn!
Cmon mannnnnn!
After Mexico, the most immigrants are from China, India and the Phillipines. The median household income for immigrants is roughly the same as US-born households.
11-07-2020, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By sam212⏩
OK. Thank you for making my point.Yes, because there was ton of poverty and starvation in Europe at that time. These countries were nothing like what they are today. Immigrants from these countries came here for economic reasons just as it is true today from Central and south American countries, except they were white and therefore assimilation was smooth.
Those poorer European countries managed to overcome their difficulties and became first world countries all.
Why? Because of the innate quality of the people.
Meanwhile, those countries from the ME, Africa, C and S America etc.....all stayed poor and were unable to rise above. Except those few that found oil of course.
Why? Because again, the innate quality, or lack of, the people.
Now of course not all people from those poorer countries are bad. But they have proven to be losers when building a country.
Why do we want them? It only devalues the USA.
So I am not sure why you are arguing this.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Italians and Irish were certainly poor as dirt 100+ years ago, and Germany wasn't great in the early 1900's either.You just compared Germans, Norwegians and Swedes, Italians, and people from Europe, all countries that have had some of the most advanced countries in the world, with Mexicans, Africans, Muslims from ME countries, and people from C and S America......who all have some of the least advanced and poorest countries in the world.
Cmon mannnnnn!
Cmon mannnnnn!
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In the year 2000 the US was over 75% white. In 2020 its under 60% and accelerating downward
Can anyone explain to me me how an almost 20% replacement of a countries population in 2 decades is a good thing? Even taking race out of the picture, how is that even stable or sustainable for a country to undergo such a rapid transformation of it's citizenry?
Can anyone explain to me me how an almost 20% replacement of a countries population in 2 decades is a good thing? Even taking race out of the picture, how is that even stable or sustainable for a country to undergo such a rapid transformation of it's citizenry?
11-07-2020, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By hackerwacker⏩
It's not, it's why America is going to collapse soon. It already basically is.In the year 2000 the US was over 75% white. In 2020 its under 60% and accelerating downward
Can anyone explain to me me how an almost 20% replacement of a countries population in 2 decades is a good thing? Even taking race out of the picture, how is that even stable or sustainable?
Can anyone explain to me me how an almost 20% replacement of a countries population in 2 decades is a good thing? Even taking race out of the picture, how is that even stable or sustainable?
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
And yet they managed to build their countries into first world countries.Italians and Irish were certainly poor as dirt 100+ years ago, and Germany wasn't great in the early 1900's either.
And the immigrants from those countries who came to the US did the same here.
I am not sure why this is a question?
I am serious.
Why is this a question?
Do you think we would have been a better country if people from ****lia, all of Africa, the middle east, C and S America, and Mexico were the people in charge of building the US back in the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s?
Is this what you are saying?
I am flabbergasted if people think this.
So if the above isn't true, which it obviously isn't, why do we want those people from these 3rd world countries here now?
It makes no sense if you are a fan of the USA.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Surely your argument that poor countries are poor "Because of the innate quality of the people" falls apart if previously poor countries have gradually managed to overcome adversity over the last few centuries?OK. Thank you for making my point.
Those poorer European countries managed to overcome their difficulties and became first world countries all.
Why? Because of the innate quality of the people.
Meanwhile, those countries from the ME, Africa, C and S America etc.....all stayed poor and were unable to rise above. Except those few that found oil of course.
Why? Because again, the innate quality, or lack of, the people.
Now of course not all people from those poorer countries are bad. But they have proven to be losers when building a country.
Why do we want them? It only devalues the USA.
So I am not sure why you are arguing this.
Those poorer European countries managed to overcome their difficulties and became first world countries all.
Why? Because of the innate quality of the people.
Meanwhile, those countries from the ME, Africa, C and S America etc.....all stayed poor and were unable to rise above. Except those few that found oil of course.
Why? Because again, the innate quality, or lack of, the people.
Now of course not all people from those poorer countries are bad. But they have proven to be losers when building a country.
Why do we want them? It only devalues the USA.
So I am not sure why you are arguing this.
You're ignoring the fact that many of the poor African/Middle Eastern/South+ Central American countries all have a rich history of corruption, dictarship and internal conflict. Ex USSR countries are also on average significantly poorer than other European nations even though they're all white.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
You are not counting the millions of illegals who are lucky to even read.32% of US immigrants have a bachelor's degree or better, compared to 33% of US-born citizens. Since 2013 it's been in the mid 40% range. Other than Mexico and Central America, the majority of immigrants to the States have a higher education. You aren't just hating on Hispanics though, are you?
After Mexico, the most immigrants are from China, India and the Phillipines. The median household income for immigrants is roughly the same as US-born households.
After Mexico, the most immigrants are from China, India and the Phillipines. The median household income for immigrants is roughly the same as US-born households.
11-07-2020, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
They’ll only call the people quality when they don’t have to talk about those countries’ economic systems lol.Surely your argument that poor countries are poor "Because of the innate quality of the people" falls apart if previously poor countries have gradually managed to overcome adversity over the last few centuries?
You're ignoring the fact that many of the poor African/Middle Eastern/South+ Central American countries all have a rich history of corruption, dictarship and internal conflict. Ex USSR countries are also on average significantly poorer than other European nations even though they're all white.
You're ignoring the fact that many of the poor African/Middle Eastern/South+ Central American countries all have a rich history of corruption, dictarship and internal conflict. Ex USSR countries are also on average significantly poorer than other European nations even though they're all white.
11-07-2020, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
If you take Mexico and Central America out of the equation, the US has a diverse, highly curated immigration system that on average brings people over who outperform US-born citizens. It’s all gonna be OK dude.You are not counting the millions of illegals who are lucky to even read.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
giving you the benefit of the doubt as to these numbers, cause i'm not going to look them up right now. doesn't this take away the plight of the "oppressive" whitey?32% of US immigrants have a bachelor's degree or better, compared to 33% of US-born citizens. Since 2013 it's been in the mid 40% range. Other than Mexico and Central America, the majority of immigrants to the States have a higher education. You aren't just hating on Hispanics though, are you?
After Mexico, the most immigrants are from China, India and the Phillipines. The median household income for immigrants is roughly the same as US-born households.
After Mexico, the most immigrants are from China, India and the Phillipines. The median household income for immigrants is roughly the same as US-born households.
if you're saying others are doing this well why would you need to continue to implement "change"? if the current status was so oppressive then why, from your own words, are others succeeding along with whites?
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
Why are you so passionate about being anti white? Everything isn't about fractions of a point of GDP. California ranks as one of the worst states of every single income inequality metric while having extremely high cost of living expenses, that's your highly curated immigration systemIf you take Mexico and Central America out of the equation, the US has a diverse, highly curated immigration system that on average brings people over who outperform US-born citizens. It’s all gonna be OK dude.
11-07-2020, 05:32 PM
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I’m making an argument that diversity isnt harmful dude. I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Is this about the current state of immigration in general?giving you the benefit of the doubt as to these numbers, cause i'm not going to look them up right now. doesn't this take away the plight of the "oppressive" whitey?
if you're saying others are doing this well why would you need to continue implement "change"? if the current status was so oppressive then why, from your own words, are others succeeding along with whites?
if you're saying others are doing this well why would you need to continue implement "change"? if the current status was so oppressive then why, from your own words, are others succeeding along with whites?
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
How can you take them out of the equation?If you take Mexico and Central America out of the equation, the US has a diverse, highly curated immigration system that on average brings people over who outperform US-born citizens. It’s all gonna be OK dude.
They are by far the biggest group of immigrants entering this country, both legally and illegally.
I live in Southern California.
I see everyday what that is doing to our country.
Walk into a drug store in Los Angeles where no one speaks English, Mexican flags are everywhere, and the music over the loudspeaker is all Hispanic.
As a white American who grew up in this country, that is NOT a pleasant feeling.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
Maybe try evaluating the economic system first when you talk about income.Why are you so passionate about being anti white? Everything isn't about fractions of a GDP. California ranks as one of the worst states of every single income inequality metric, that's your highly curated immigration system.
11-07-2020, 05:36 PM
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Sorry was your argument only about illegals from Mexico? Or about Muslims, Africans, etc. too? Cause we are in a diversity thread, not an illegal immigration thread, remember?How can you take them out of the equation?
They are by far the biggest group of immigrants entering this country, both legally and illegally.
I live in Southern California.
I see everyday what that is doing to our country.
Walk into a drug store in Los Angeles where no one speaks English, Mexican flags are everywhere, and the music over the loudspeaker is all Hispanic.
As a white American who grew up in this country, that is NOT a pleasant feeling.
They are by far the biggest group of immigrants entering this country, both legally and illegally.
I live in Southern California.
I see everyday what that is doing to our country.
Walk into a drug store in Los Angeles where no one speaks English, Mexican flags are everywhere, and the music over the loudspeaker is all Hispanic.
As a white American who grew up in this country, that is NOT a pleasant feeling.
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It is a proven thing that varying backgrounds yield better results.
Consulting firms have done study after study on the topic and made millions in the process.
So, no, diversity isn't failing anything. It just triggers a lot of people who belive in the ancient concept of Tribalism.
Consulting firms have done study after study on the topic and made millions in the process.
So, no, diversity isn't failing anything. It just triggers a lot of people who belive in the ancient concept of Tribalism.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
i think it's disingenuous of you to side step that the liberal party generally advocates change and hasn't tried to tone up the anti-white rhetoric recently, but i'll cede that i didn't exactly hone in on anything in particularI’m making an argument that diversity isnt harmful dude. I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Is this about the current state of immigration in general?
i can see you're prob unwilling to define things and it prob won't go anywhere...so whatever
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It's funny to think that in another 70-100 years the descendents of Mexican and Central immigrants will probably be complaining about foreigners coming to the USA and how when their grandparents/great-grandparents came they assimilated quickly.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
It’s happening now. Just look at Duke’s hero Nick Fuentes.It's funny to think that in another 70-100 years the descendents of Mexican and Central immigrants will probably be complaining about foreigners coming to the USA and how when their grandparents/great-grandparents came they assimilated quickly.
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
If the population is diverse of course it makes sense. An Indian is going to know better how to sell to an Indian. That's all those studies show. Lol at hanging your hat on that low IQ boy.It is a proven thing that varying backgrounds yield better results.
Consulting firms have done study after study on the topic and made millions in the process.
So, no, diversity isn't failing anything. It just triggers a lot of people who belive in the ancient concept of Tribalism.
Consulting firms have done study after study on the topic and made millions in the process.
So, no, diversity isn't failing anything. It just triggers a lot of people who belive in the ancient concept of Tribalism.
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All I can do is laugh at threads like this, because I know a lot of you crying about "muh white genocide" "forced diversity" cucks aren't going to have enough babies yourselves, thereby facilitating your demise which you will then blame on non-whites.
If you had a high IQ, you would understand non-whites can't make white babies for you. The solution is easy, take responsibility like you love telling non-whites to do. Find a nice white woman and have your 3+ kids. Stop blaming non-whites for white population numbers declining in absolute numbers.
Most miscers are in alt-right parlance "tradthots". Talk a big game about how conservative values are goat, how it's unfair that there aren't enough white babies being born to sustain the white race etc, yet you'll be in another thread bragging about fukking Tinder girls well into your 30s without raising any white kids yourselves. Ultra conservative and traditional in one thread, and ultra degenerate hedonists in the next.
A lot of you literally brag about never getting married or having kids, then wonder why the numbers are dropping so fast like idiots who don't know how babies are made. Hypocritical idiots.
If you had a high IQ, you would understand non-whites can't make white babies for you. The solution is easy, take responsibility like you love telling non-whites to do. Find a nice white woman and have your 3+ kids. Stop blaming non-whites for white population numbers declining in absolute numbers.
Most miscers are in alt-right parlance "tradthots". Talk a big game about how conservative values are goat, how it's unfair that there aren't enough white babies being born to sustain the white race etc, yet you'll be in another thread bragging about fukking Tinder girls well into your 30s without raising any white kids yourselves. Ultra conservative and traditional in one thread, and ultra degenerate hedonists in the next.
A lot of you literally brag about never getting married or having kids, then wonder why the numbers are dropping so fast like idiots who don't know how babies are made. Hypocritical idiots.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87⏩
Some Hipsanics actually want to assimilate and even identify as white. Not the majority though.It’s happening now. Just look at Duke’s hero Nick Fuentes.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
not quite disagreeing with your statement; e.g. whites having kids with whites, taking responsibility, etc.All I can do is laugh at threads like this, because I know a lot of you crying about "muh white genocide" "forced diversity" cucks aren't going to have enough babies yourselves.
If you had a high IQ, you would understand non-whites can't make white babies for you. The solution is easy, take responsibility like you love telling non-whites to do. Find a nice white woman and have your 3+ kids. Stop blaming non-whites for white population numbers declining in absolute numbers.
Most miscers are in alt-right parlance "tradthots". Talk a big game about how conservative values are goat, how it's unfair that there aren't enough white babies being born to sustain the white race etc, yet you'll be in another thread bragging about fukking Tinder girls well into your 30s without raising any white kids yourselves.
A lot of you literally brag about never getting married or having kids, then wonder why the numbers are dropping so fast like idiots who don't know how babies are made. Hypocritical idiots.
If you had a high IQ, you would understand non-whites can't make white babies for you. The solution is easy, take responsibility like you love telling non-whites to do. Find a nice white woman and have your 3+ kids. Stop blaming non-whites for white population numbers declining in absolute numbers.
Most miscers are in alt-right parlance "tradthots". Talk a big game about how conservative values are goat, how it's unfair that there aren't enough white babies being born to sustain the white race etc, yet you'll be in another thread bragging about fukking Tinder girls well into your 30s without raising any white kids yourselves.
A lot of you literally brag about never getting married or having kids, then wonder why the numbers are dropping so fast like idiots who don't know how babies are made. Hypocritical idiots.
but if you import people of color in greaters numbers than the white to white birthrate it doesn't do chit...
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I’ll just make my view clear on this as I’m a first generation “legal” immigrant as well. My family came here with nothing and now all of my siblings and I are college educated with masters degrees or higher and top 5 percent or higher on income level. I will readily admit that US is the least racist society, including the one where my family is from. Our lives are exponentially better than they would have been if my parents didn’t immigrate here.
With that said, US is a capitalist society that operates on the idea of constant growth. This requires increase in population to keep economic growth up. With low reproduction rates of whites in this country, led to immigration act of 1965. This opened the flood gates and I do see your guys point as some immigrants wanting to just take from the system and not putting in. But this is where we are now. Agree with strict border laws and illegal immigration laws. Also, white population should reproduce at a higher rate, I’m all for more white people.
In essence, your elite decided they wanted to keep increasing their wealth, first with colonisation in 1700-1800s, which led to immigration in UK and France, and then later for cheap labor. But this is where we are now. You can’t possibly kick out all the minorities now. We have to come to some resolution to unify under some kind of national identity to keep this country great.
With that said, US is a capitalist society that operates on the idea of constant growth. This requires increase in population to keep economic growth up. With low reproduction rates of whites in this country, led to immigration act of 1965. This opened the flood gates and I do see your guys point as some immigrants wanting to just take from the system and not putting in. But this is where we are now. Agree with strict border laws and illegal immigration laws. Also, white population should reproduce at a higher rate, I’m all for more white people.
In essence, your elite decided they wanted to keep increasing their wealth, first with colonisation in 1700-1800s, which led to immigration in UK and France, and then later for cheap labor. But this is where we are now. You can’t possibly kick out all the minorities now. We have to come to some resolution to unify under some kind of national identity to keep this country great.
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