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Explain to me like i'm 12 why you would get the vaccine if you're young and healthy.
04-21-2021, 01:28 PM
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Only argument for it that I have been able to come up with is that IF everyone got the vaccine and IF the vaccine reduced transmission rates then there would be a lower risk that it would mutate to a different possibly more deadly variant.
Viruses that are allowed to slowly spread through the masses and recirculate are more likely to adapt/change/mutate whatever you want to call it then ones that don’t.
Viruses that are allowed to slowly spread through the masses and recirculate are more likely to adapt/change/mutate whatever you want to call it then ones that don’t.
04-21-2021, 01:29 PM
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04-21-2021, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Now THIS is the real conversation that needs to be had. I really couldn't care less if others vaccinate or not (though the arguments on both sides continue to be frustratingly infintile) until we agree on the end game. Are we seeking to reduce spread? Eliminate spread? vaccinate those who desire it and ACCELERATE spread to get through (provided w stay under hospital overcrowding thresholds). We aren't mature enough as a Nation to have that conversation....SARS-COV-2 will not/cannot be contained or eradicated. What is going on right now, is known in epidemiology as the pathogen endemic equilibrium phase, (viral stasis) and is perfectly normal. Virulence weakening and dilution is what always happens when mutations and naturally acquired herd immunity is occurring throughout the populations. Invariably mutation causes infection rate increase ( seasonality still being the biggest factor) and lethality rate decrease, henceforth it becomes ubiquitous and permanent. Vaccination at this stage is essentially pointless.
04-21-2021, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
this dude knows his stuff.SARS-COV-2 will not/cannot be contained or eradicated. What is going on right now, is known in epidemiology as the pathogen endemic equilibrium phase, (viral stasis) and is perfectly normal. Virulence weakening and dilution is what always happens when mutations and naturally acquired herd immunity is occurring throughout the populations. Invariably mutation causes infection rate increase ( seasonality still being the biggest factor) and lethality rate decrease, henceforth it becomes ubiquitous and permanent. Vaccination at this stage is essentially pointless.
04-21-2021, 01:31 PM
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You wouldn't
04-21-2021, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
It appears to be a copy/paste but it doesn't mean i disagree.this dude knows his stuff.
04-21-2021, 01:45 PM
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04-21-2021, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
1. This is NOT good. We test on animals for similar immune responses the latency that we have compared to them is now just a waiting game.1. Good. That means it worked. Stop stressing the strictly negative narrative and focus on the relativity of the two options before us.
2. Your COVID vs. Flu comparison is selective and not the total picture. Ok......Flu may be more deadly if you have no comorbidities than COVID. Even if we accept that as true it's irrelevant unless we morally agree that we don't care about people with comorbidities (and also makes me want to see that the comorbidities was fully recorded for the flu which may not be the case).
3. Fully aware. In my immediate family are 2 ER Docs (one runs the ER) and a post-doc on immunology/virology....seen it more than once. It doesn't mean what your ******** friends have convinced you it means but I'll grant you that it almost certainly leads to overstatement of COVID deaths. I granted that in my first statement you failed to read. That's not the question. The questions is how many are real?
4. Your article makes my exact case. Thank you for posting it. Your last article confirms that social (and other) measures taken significantly reduced the spread of the FLU this last year. It also likely significanltly reduced the spread of COVID. Which is why it is asinine to compare 2020 COVID numbers to 2018 flu numbers. Absurd.
2. Your COVID vs. Flu comparison is selective and not the total picture. Ok......Flu may be more deadly if you have no comorbidities than COVID. Even if we accept that as true it's irrelevant unless we morally agree that we don't care about people with comorbidities (and also makes me want to see that the comorbidities was fully recorded for the flu which may not be the case).
3. Fully aware. In my immediate family are 2 ER Docs (one runs the ER) and a post-doc on immunology/virology....seen it more than once. It doesn't mean what your ******** friends have convinced you it means but I'll grant you that it almost certainly leads to overstatement of COVID deaths. I granted that in my first statement you failed to read. That's not the question. The questions is how many are real?
4. Your article makes my exact case. Thank you for posting it. Your last article confirms that social (and other) measures taken significantly reduced the spread of the FLU this last year. It also likely significanltly reduced the spread of COVID. Which is why it is asinine to compare 2020 COVID numbers to 2018 flu numbers. Absurd.
2.If you are saying that you don’t care about comorbidities than you are basically claiming you don’t care about the majority of Covid deaths..which clearly is not the case.
3. I don’t have FB & I don’t think we will ever know how many are truly real because of the CDC guidelines themselves & the fact that the creator of the test (Kerry Mullis) made it clear that the PCR test is NOT a viral test but rather a bacteria test should give us some indication that something isn’t right in ToonTown. He also said Faucci doesn’t know what the hell he is doing..
4. Except no mandates have shown to have any effect on Covid whatsoever..it’s absurd that flu is now being labeled as Covid..that is the real tragedy
04-21-2021, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
1. Whose interpretation did you read? It's a comparitive scenario. An effective vaccine is likely to create other issues. Are the issues more or less than dealing with the virus?1. This is NOT good. We test on animals for similar immune responses the latency that we have compared to them is now just a waiting game.
2.If you are saying that you don’t care about comorbidities than you are basically claiming you don’t care about the majority of Covid deaths..which clearly is not the case.
3. I don’t have FB & I don’t think we will ever know how many are truly real because of the CDC guidelines themselves & the fact that the creator of the test (Kerry Mullis) made it clear that the PCR test is NOT a viral test but rather a bacteria test should give us some indication that something isn’t right in ToonTown. He also said Faucci doesn’t know what the hell he is doing..
4. Except no mandates have shown to have any effect on Covid whatsoever..it’s absurd that flu is now being labeled as Covid..that is the real tragedy
2.If you are saying that you don’t care about comorbidities than you are basically claiming you don’t care about the majority of Covid deaths..which clearly is not the case.
3. I don’t have FB & I don’t think we will ever know how many are truly real because of the CDC guidelines themselves & the fact that the creator of the test (Kerry Mullis) made it clear that the PCR test is NOT a viral test but rather a bacteria test should give us some indication that something isn’t right in ToonTown. He also said Faucci doesn’t know what the hell he is doing..
4. Except no mandates have shown to have any effect on Covid whatsoever..it’s absurd that flu is now being labeled as Covid..that is the real tragedy
2. I do care. My point was argumentative looking back at the prior comments. Meaning I do not wish to discard them so readily but was making a comparison
3. I agree. The data is completely muddled. But we must do the best we can to not disregard reality just because the .gov is ****ing it up. They will always **** it up
4. Again, totally muddled data. My only point is that comparing 2020 COVID vs. 2018 Flu, as so many do, is a false comparison.
04-21-2021, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
1. Posted studies earlier in the thread, I’m not aware of any that did not harm or kill the animals being tested.1. Whose interpretation did you read? It's a comparitive scenario. An effective vaccine is likely to create other issues. Are the issues more or less than dealing with the virus?
2. I do care. My point was argumentative looking back at the prior comments. Meaning I do not wish to discard them so readily but was making a comparison
3. I agree. The data is completely muddled. But we must do the best we can to not disregard reality just because the .gov is ****ing it up. They will always **** it up
4. Again, totally muddled data. My only point is that comparing 2020 COVID vs. 2018 Flu, as so many do, is a false comparison.
2. I do care. My point was argumentative looking back at the prior comments. Meaning I do not wish to discard them so readily but was making a comparison
3. I agree. The data is completely muddled. But we must do the best we can to not disregard reality just because the .gov is ****ing it up. They will always **** it up
4. Again, totally muddled data. My only point is that comparing 2020 COVID vs. 2018 Flu, as so many do, is a false comparison.
2.If more people die with no comorbidities having influenza than those with Covid..seems to me the flu is deadlier
3.agreed
4.completly disagree. Not only does the flu kill more people but the lockdowns themselves have killed more people than Covid could possibly ever cause
04-21-2021, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
On item 2, you cannot make that conclusion, unfortunately. Different diseases can impact different populations differently.1. Posted studies earlier in the thread, I’m not aware of any that did not harm or kill the animals being tested.
2.If more people die with no comorbidities having influenza than those with Covid..seems to me the flu is deadlier
3.agreed
4.completly disagree. Not only does the flu kill more people but the lockdowns themselves have killed more people than Covid could possibly ever cause
2.If more people die with no comorbidities having influenza than those with Covid..seems to me the flu is deadlier
3.agreed
4.completly disagree. Not only does the flu kill more people but the lockdowns themselves have killed more people than Covid could possibly ever cause
Question for you, since it's clear that you have thought about the issue (though I don't agree with you on all points and interpretations of the data). What do you think should be our end game strategy and do you think we have the capability as a society to accomplish it?
04-21-2021, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
BREAKING NEWS: New mutant strain of COVID shown to have gained ability to drive car and infect others outside even if you stay homeIf you get covid, stay home and isolate. you can't give covid to someone if you aren't around them.
Would kick em in the nuts
04-21-2021, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
The end game is already planned. I don’t think Event 201 was a “practice simulation” & I certainly don’t think the “SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028” was created for chits & giggles. Honestly, I don’t think we have long, & I’m putting my trust & hope in Jesus.On item 2, you cannot make that conclusion, unfortunately. Different diseases can impact different populations differently.
Question for you, since it's clear that you have thought about the issue (though I don't agree with you on all points and interpretations of the data). What do you think should be our end game strategy and do you think we have the capability as a society to accomplish it?
Question for you, since it's clear that you have thought about the issue (though I don't agree with you on all points and interpretations of the data). What do you think should be our end game strategy and do you think we have the capability as a society to accomplish it?
04-21-2021, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Ugh. I thought there might be logic worth discussing but I was mistaken. Good luck with Jesus, tell him I say hello.The end game is already planned. I don’t think Event 201 was a “practice simulation” & I certainly don’t think the “SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028” was created for chits & giggles. Honestly, I don’t think we have long, & I’m putting my trust & hope in Jesus.
I would encourage you to consider the fact that the existence of scenario planning and simulation for an event most viralogists considered inevitable does not mean they've actually planned and caused this but at least you and Jesus will have something to discuss.
04-21-2021, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
Yea the simulation of a new “Covid” virus breakout & how to handle the media & population right down to a T being played out exactly is all just coincidence & routine.Ugh. I thought there might be logic worth discussing but I was mistaken. Good luck with Jesus, tell him I say hello.
I would encourage you to consider the fact that the existence of scenario planning and simulation for an event most viralogists considered inevitable does not mean they've actually planned and caused this but at least you and Jesus will have something to discuss.
I would encourage you to consider the fact that the existence of scenario planning and simulation for an event most viralogists considered inevitable does not mean they've actually planned and caused this but at least you and Jesus will have something to discuss.
Okay
04-21-2021, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
and a few months before it actually happened.Yea the simulation of a new “Covid” virus breakout & how to handle the media & population right down to a T being played out exactly is all just coincidence & routine.
Okay
Okay
But everything is a "coincidence" to these MSM sheep.
04-21-2021, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
Seriously fukin mind-blowing what is happening. Sheep just falling in line. What is going on in the world, is truly bizarre. To the extent that in just the past few short months, all virology and immunology textbooks ever printed in existence, are being re-written as we speak. These same libs just a few years ago were screaming Big Pharma-BAD, & don’t trust Big Daddy Govt. Look at them now, China structured ideology has replaced scientific methodology logic and reason, Induction of global hysteria by censorship of empirical science. (akin to StockHolm Syndrome at mass population scale)and a few months before it actually happened.
But everything is a "coincidence" to these MSM sheep.
But everything is a "coincidence" to these MSM sheep.
04-21-2021, 04:21 PM
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