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Thread: Marine vet going to Jail for holding crackhead in a chokehold

post 1682541413 05-11-2023, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
What about the black guy restraining the guys arm while the marine was choking the dude out.

What's he gonna get changed with?
Not a god damn thing. There'd be outrage if he was.
post 1682542193 05-11-2023, 09:23 PM
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did he tap tho?
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post 1682542523 05-11-2023, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By DuncSurf⏩
Imagine choking someone to death for nothing

Hopefully he gets life srs
Nah bro, that's apparently fine according to the Misc
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post 1682542533 05-11-2023, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
What about the black guy restraining the guys arm while the marine was choking the dude out.

What's he gonna get changed with?
good point, we should inform the fact checkers they will need to crop him out of the picture and avoid future "whoops"
post 1682542543 05-11-2023, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted By nickh04⏩
did he tap tho?
post 1682542813 05-11-2023, 09:35 PM
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Don't threaten people in public.

Why am I not surprised it's da Bragg lmao. What's this dude have against people of a certain color
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post 1682542943 05-11-2023, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Achilles87⏩
The report doesn't say much of anything. And if that's all you're going on it's silly to claim he was murdered for yelling.

Possibly he was murdered. Equally as possible it was legitimate self defense.
The report says he didn't get violent. That's why the marine is charged.

I'm not sure what people ITT want. Like you can't choke someone out for being an a-hole on the subway. If the guy had attacked someone, then this is a whole different thing, but he didn't in this incident.
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post 1682543153 05-11-2023, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Alphametric⏩
Damn that really sucks. If other passengers were telling him to be careful not to kill him, then this guy is going to have a tough legal case.

2nd degree manslaughter implies that he knew he was using lethal force. So he's going to have to prove that he did not know he was jeopardizing the crackheads life, but if bystanders were warning him, that just really sucks for the marine.

Hopefully he gets a good lawyer.
How does it suck for the marine? There are consequences to actions. Look at the marines face when he has the dude facing death
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post 1682543253 05-11-2023, 09:46 PM
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Cant imagine being so submissive you let some lunatic yanmer on a train about nonsense and threaten violence against people.

If it's between my kids and some short fused reject on a subway , I'm taking the guy down. I cant believe this is even debatable
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post 1682543373 05-11-2023, 09:48 PM
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Misc lawyers, can he plead insanity due to PTSD?
post 1682543633 05-11-2023, 09:55 PM
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It's going to boil down to the witness testimony, and how long the marine kept his hold after the crackhead stopped trying to break free.

Earlier reports said other passengers were threatened by the crackhead, and they did notthink the marine was restraining him hard enough to kill him.

This is the first I heard about someone warning the marine he could kill him.

This is a fcked up charge. I think there's a lesser offense, like involuntary homicide or something, where the one accused didn't know he could have killed the victim. And that's what I believe the marine was saying, so it's odd that they charged manslaughter. The prosecutor has to convince the jury that either the marine knew prior to choking him that he could kill him, or during the 2 minutes he ignored passengers warning.

Really need to see the entire video.
post 1682543923 05-11-2023, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Foxmulder0⏩
Cant imagine being so submissive you let some lunatic yanmer on a train about nonsense and threaten violence against people.

If it's between my kids and some short fused reject on a subway , I'm taking the guy down. I cant believe this is even debatable
You cant believe its debatable that a dude was killed without actually touching anyone? Lul
post 1682544263 05-11-2023, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted By the700level⏩
How does it suck for the marine? There are consequences to actions. Look at the marines face when he has the dude facing death
It sucks because the marine didn't have intent. Otherwise they would have charged murder. And apparently only lasted 2 minutes. Unless the marine is a black belt in jujutsu, I don't think he was negligent. I think he simply tried to restrain the crackhead who was threatening, was acting in self defense, and this was a total accident. My view can change, but this is where I stand based on the reports I've read on the incident.

This was a high adrenaline situation so I'm not sure what his face says to you. To me it looks red, like I would expect.
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What are potential charges?

- nothing if he used reasonable responses
- involuntary homicide if he used a safe hold, unreasonably
- manslaughter if a dangerous hold, unreasonably

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post 1682545403 05-11-2023, 10:46 PM
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imagine siding with the guy with almost 50 arrests
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The crazy guy probably should've been institutionalized. 50 prior arrests? What were the charges? How was he still roaming about after 50 separate criminal offenses?
At the same time, the Marine probably should've let go a bit sooner.
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Originally Posted By havoc00⏩
imagine siding with the guy with almost 50 arrests
infantile statement.
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Originally Posted By DomMJr⏩
What are potential charges?

- nothing if he used reasonable responses
- involuntary homicide if he used a safe hold, unreasonably
- manslaughter if a dangerous hold, unreasonably

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2nd degree manslaughter. And apparently the hold was for 2 minutes.
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Originally Posted By 129iq⏩
infantile statement.
he was wrongly convicted 50 times
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So society has two options: Either let crackheads become agitated and violent and wait for them to possibly harm someone innocent until "authorities" arrive or step up and protect innocents and then go to prison. What a world. What's even funnier is even if everyone waited for the "authorities" to arrive even the authorities would be on the hook for the same sht anyways. It's all too fuked and too far gone. Can't protect yourself. Can't protect others. Those responsible for protecting still get cucked anyways.
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Originally Posted By DomMJr⏩
110 strikes law
he should have gotten 200 more chances white supremacy strikes again
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Originally Posted By Achilles87⏩
What exactly does this mean?

You don't need to wait until the guy is stomping someone's face in before you intervene.
You sure do. Hell even in red states it needs to be more of a threat of death or sever bodily harm than that.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
This is an instance when I think the "Social Justice Warriors" are correct. That was a criminal act. You can't sneak up on a man and choke him to death because you think he is a nuisance and you want play hero. People are fed up with the crime but that does not justify a guy being choked to death because he was behaving disruptive, by a stranger looking to impress other strangers.
I'd agree if the BLM didn't have 44 prior arrests. Had BLM been locked up this wouldn't have happened
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Originally Posted By roosky11⏩
So society has two options: Either let crackheads become agitated and violent and wait for them to possibly harm someone innocent until "authorities" arrive or step up and protect innocents and then go to prison. What a world. What's even funnier is even if everyone waited for the "authorities" to arrive even the authorities would be on the hook for the same sht anyways. It's all too fuked and too far gone. Can't protect yourself. Can't protect others. Those responsible for protecting still get cucked anyways.
Don't agree with this. Anyone who's used public transportation at some point in their life has dealt with this. The marine is the one who got physical, that was his first mistake. His second was putting a chokehold on someone for minutes.
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he should have listened to dilbert

get the fuk out of diversity areas. its a ticking time bomb, let it implode.

yeah, you may have saved 100's of people from getting assaulted in the future by removing 1 of obama's sons - but it will solve nothing and more so those people will not be thankful at all.

Now he will have his fate decided by a jury of his "peers", aka: shaniqua, laquisha, and tyquavious
all of whom are 80 iq at best and have been watching this story unfold with information provided by the 1-sided jew media
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Originally Posted By Mercworx⏩
You sure do. Hell even in red states it needs to be more of a threat of death or sever bodily harm than that.
I think you have to try to avoid the threat first. Like if someone walks up to you on the street and says they are going to beat you up, you can run away. But if you are in a train, which is a closed and tight environment, making a pre-emptive strike against a threat is self defense.

The question is how much physical force was warranted to deter the threat? Definitely not lethal force. But if he didn't kill him, and let's say he just left him unconscious, should the marine have gotten charged with assault? I don't think so. Other passengers on the train said they also felt threatened by the crackhead. So he acted in self defense of himself and of others, but he obviously took it too far.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Don't agree with this. Anyone who's used public transportation at some point in their life has dealt with this. The marine is the one who got physical, that was his first mistake. His second was putting a chokehold on someone for minutes.
It was reported that the crackhead was throwing things, not sure if on the floor or at people, but he was acting hostile and threatening towards passengers. Physically restraining someone like that on a train is self defense.
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