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Hey Muslims, how you feel about your Prophet being debunked by the Dead Sea scrolls?
10-16-2023, 05:06 PM
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- miscerForLulz
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Originally Posted By Paul
Ngl bored the the debate part but prefer to just correct my religion part for now...BTW, your Quran literally states Jesus was a spirit that was cast down into Mary…but you claim Jesus was just a man. Just lol
This is a good point btw...but wrong context. When Allah attaches something close to himself, he always ends with "ullah" meaning "from/of Allah" and this is the Arabic langauge...it shows the closeness of the object to Allah.
For example, if you ever see the number "70" in Arabic, it doesn't literally mean 70 but meanings "a multiple". It is the Arabic language.
9:80 (this doesn't literally mean 70)
Whether you (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And Allah guides not those people who are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
The moon for example is masculine and sun is feminine in Arabic, but the moon nor sun have a gender in reality. Similarly, Allah refers to himself as "He" but he is neither male nor female. English doesn't have this but French for example does have this, similarly, Arabic.
He refers to himself as "We" but this is not to be mistaken that he is more than one...this is the royal "We" which even English has...I've had this one asked before. It shows the power of God and when you speak in plurality for a singular, it shows the might of the singular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we
For example, a few of the "-ulah" suffices
- Kalimullah (The one who talks to Allah, in reference to Moses PBUH because he spoke directly to God)
- Khaleelullah (The close from of Allah, in reference to Abraham PBUH...don't need to explain but Abrahams life story in the Bible/Quran are similar and his willing submission)
- Ruhullah and Kalimatullah (The spirit from Allah and the Word of Allah, in reference to Jesus PBUH. The spirit referring to Allah creating Jesus without any male intervention and the Word, "Be", as in Allah does not need any conventions to create whatever he wills). I remember this from another thread you said about that guy in the video and lol'd at it. Quran 3:59 talks the similitude about Adam/Jesus similitude meaning the word "Be" to create them and brah really says "dirt" part.
- Habibullah (yes, habibi...as in most beloved of Allah in mention to Muhammad)
Even not people, but other things (although this isn't a Biblical story to this, only in Quran, he refers to a camel and attributes it to himself)
- Naqatullah (The she-camel of Allah)
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
10-17-2023, 08:32 AM
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- Paul Kreul
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Sure, I can accept that, same goes for just about every language including the English language. However your Quran states that only Allah can forgive sins, not man. It also states that Jesus was cast down as Spirit onto Mary, therefore he cannot be a man.Ngl bored the the debate part but prefer to just correct my religion part for now...
This is a good point btw...but wrong context. When Allah attaches something close to himself, he always ends with "ullah" meaning "from/of Allah" and this is the Arabic langauge...it shows the closeness of the object to Allah.
For example, if you ever see the number "70" in Arabic, it doesn't literally mean 70 but meanings "a multiple". It is the Arabic language.
9:80 (this doesn't literally mean 70)
Whether you (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And Allah guides not those people who are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
The moon for example is masculine and sun is feminine in Arabic, but the moon nor sun have a gender in reality. Similarly, Allah refers to himself as "He" but he is neither male nor female. English doesn't have this but French for example does have this, similarly, Arabic.
He refers to himself as "We" but this is not to be mistaken that he is more than one...this is the royal "We" which even English has...I've had this one asked before. It shows the power of God and when you speak in plurality for a singular, it shows the might of the singular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we
For example, a few of the "-ulah" suffices
- Kalimullah (The one who talks to Allah, in reference to Moses PBUH because he spoke directly to God)
- Khaleelullah (The close from of Allah, in reference to Abraham PBUH...don't need to explain but Abrahams life story in the Bible/Quran are similar and his willing submission)
- Ruhullah and Kalimatullah (The spirit from Allah and the Word of Allah, in reference to Jesus PBUH. The spirit referring to Allah creating Jesus without any male intervention and the Word, "Be", as in Allah does not need any conventions to create whatever he wills). I remember this from another thread you said about that guy in the video and lol'd at it. Quran 3:59 talks the similitude about Adam/Jesus similitude meaning the word "Be" to create them and brah really says "dirt" part.
- Habibullah (yes, habibi...as in most beloved of Allah in mention to Muhammad)
Even not people, but other things (although this isn't a Biblical story to this, only in Quran, he refers to a camel and attributes it to himself)
- Naqatullah (The she-camel of Allah)
This is a good point btw...but wrong context. When Allah attaches something close to himself, he always ends with "ullah" meaning "from/of Allah" and this is the Arabic langauge...it shows the closeness of the object to Allah.
For example, if you ever see the number "70" in Arabic, it doesn't literally mean 70 but meanings "a multiple". It is the Arabic language.
9:80 (this doesn't literally mean 70)
Whether you (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them, because they have disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And Allah guides not those people who are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
The moon for example is masculine and sun is feminine in Arabic, but the moon nor sun have a gender in reality. Similarly, Allah refers to himself as "He" but he is neither male nor female. English doesn't have this but French for example does have this, similarly, Arabic.
He refers to himself as "We" but this is not to be mistaken that he is more than one...this is the royal "We" which even English has...I've had this one asked before. It shows the power of God and when you speak in plurality for a singular, it shows the might of the singular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we
For example, a few of the "-ulah" suffices
- Kalimullah (The one who talks to Allah, in reference to Moses PBUH because he spoke directly to God)
- Khaleelullah (The close from of Allah, in reference to Abraham PBUH...don't need to explain but Abrahams life story in the Bible/Quran are similar and his willing submission)
- Ruhullah and Kalimatullah (The spirit from Allah and the Word of Allah, in reference to Jesus PBUH. The spirit referring to Allah creating Jesus without any male intervention and the Word, "Be", as in Allah does not need any conventions to create whatever he wills). I remember this from another thread you said about that guy in the video and lol'd at it. Quran 3:59 talks the similitude about Adam/Jesus similitude meaning the word "Be" to create them and brah really says "dirt" part.
- Habibullah (yes, habibi...as in most beloved of Allah in mention to Muhammad)
Even not people, but other things (although this isn't a Biblical story to this, only in Quran, he refers to a camel and attributes it to himself)
- Naqatullah (The she-camel of Allah)
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