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Hey Muslims, how you feel about your Prophet being debunked by the Dead Sea scrolls?

Islam claims the Bible was "corrupted"


Fast forward, and then the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered.

Some of the oldest texts we have, apart from the DSS, Ketef Hinnom scrolls, date back to 600 B.C.


And it confirms the Bible has been honored and preserved ACCURATELY through thousands of years.


Your boy debunked.
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Uhhh...aren't the Dead Sea Scrolls largely Gnostic?

If so, then they certainly don't agree too much with your version of Christianity. There was even a crusade against the Gnostics, and the Cathars were slaughtered by the Catholic Church. Not to mention Hypatia being killed by a mob of Christians way back.
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How long between Moses and the dead sea scrolls?

Ngl not in the mood to do this today lol @ChristianBrahs

Although I do have a question from the Christian perspective who Isaiah 42 is talking about?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
How long between Moses and the dead sea scrolls?

Ngl not in the mood to do this today lol @ChristianBrahs

Although I do have a question from the Christian perspective who Isaiah 42 is talking about?
How many kids did the giants Adam and Eve have?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How many kids did the giants Adam and Eve have?
idk, go find out and report back pls
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
How long between Moses and the dead sea scrolls?

Ngl not in the mood to do this today lol @ChristianBrahs

Although I do have a question from the Christian perspective who Isaiah 42 is talking about?
Spoiler!
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17 And there was delivered unto himthe book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them,This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
idk, go find out and report back pls
This is hilarious, you people really believe that Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall???
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
This is hilarious, you people really believe that Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall???
Who has claimed that? The Nephilim came later in the story.

Do Muslims claim that Adam and Eve (which I don't believe in to be clear) were giants?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
This is hilarious, you people really believe that Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall???
refer to post 7 srs
Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Who has claimed that? The Nephilim came later in the story.

Do Muslims claim that Adam and Eve (which I don't believe in to be clear) were giants?
There were bigger humans yes(Adam was given a larger form). There was also other societies such as the people of Ad and people of Thamud (but from what I recall, they aren't Biblical stories).

Could Nephilim/Ad and Thamud be related? Perhaps but I'm skeptical on this and will actually look more into it. Is your take that they are hybrid angel/humans (although I've also heard they are not and just humans)?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
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There were bigger humans yes(Adam was given a larger form). There was also other societies such as the people of Ad and people of Thamud (but from what I recall, they aren't Biblical stories).

Could Nephilim/Ad and Thamud be related? Perhaps but I'm skeptical on this and will actually look more into it.Is your take that they are hybrid angel/humans (although I've also heard they are not and just humans)?
I don't know, and I don't really have a stance. I'm neither a Bible or Koran person, but I find the topic interesting though and don't dismiss the possibility that something like the Nephilim may have existed.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Who has claimed that? The Nephilim came later in the story.

Do Muslims claim that Adam and Eve (which I don't believe in to be clear) were giants?
Yep, and they lived for hundreds of years.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
We have lost so many good Muslim posters on the site
Learned how barbaric Islam was from SK himself.

He was honest.

About the sex slaves, about MO having a 9 year old wife, about slavery, POW'S becoming slaves, let go, or killed. About the polygamy, the first cousin marriages, death for apostates, etc.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
Your Prophet Muhammad claimed the Bible was "corrupted", back during the 600's A.D.


Fast forward, and then the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered.

Specifically, the book of Isaiah dates back to 800 B.C.


And it confirms the Bible has been honored and preserved ACCURATELY through thousands of years.


Your boy debunked.
abraham, the man without whom christianity would not exist placed the al-hajaru al-aswad in the kaaba himself, that means he placed the "Black Stone" into the "House of God".

muslims recognize abraham as an ultimate prophet as all other prophets would not be possible without his work.

You are at war with yourself, stop it, get some help.



The prophet muhammad recognized jesus christ(real name: KRST) and so do his followers today, they think christ(real name: KRST) will return to Earth to bring justice and defeat the antichrist.



Guess who thinks christ is false and suffering as we speak?
I: Self, Lord and Master.

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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
abraham, the man without whom christianity would not exist placed the al-hajaru al-aswad in the kaaba himself, that means he placed the "Black Stone" into the "House of God".

muslims recognize abraham as an ultimate prophet as all other prophets would not be possible without his work.

You are at war with yourself, stop it, get some help.



The prophet muhammad recognized jesus christ(real name: KRST) and so do his followers today, they think christ(real name: KRST) will return to Earth to bring justice and defeat the antichrist.



Guess who thinks christ is false and suffering as we speak?
Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, not the Son of God.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
How long between Moses and the dead sea scrolls?

Ngl not in the mood to do this today lol @ChristianBrahs

Although I do have a question from the Christian perspective who Isaiah 42 is talking about?
aww now you have to move the goal posts and go farther back because the dead sea scrolls confirm 2,800 years of faithful preservation of the Bible.


or, you know, your boy muhammad was not a prophet, and in fact a warlord who spread Islam by fear and violence and was deceived by Satan. When your boy muhammad was "visited" by the angel in that cave, he got depression and was sick.

That's not the reaction people have when a REAL angel of God visits people, like in Daniel, Mary, etc..
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Uhhh...aren't the Dead Sea Scrolls largely Gnostic?

If so, then they certainly don't agree too much with your version of Christianity. There was even a crusade against the Gnostics, and the Cathars were slaughtered by the Catholic Church. Not to mention Hypatia being killed by a mob of Christians way back.
They are, many of the books are not even in the bible. Also the translations from Greek to other languages have shown differences in versions and interpretations

The Torah and the Koran can be passed on orally. The bible did not even exist until 350 years after Jesus died and is just a collection of works

OP should have thought twice about this thread.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
aww now you have to move the goal posts and go farther back because the dead sea scrolls confirm 2,800 years of faithful preservation of the Bible.


or, you know, your boy muhammad was not a prophet, and in fact a warlord who spread Islam by fear and violence and was deceived by Satan. When your boy muhammad was "visited" by the angel in that cave, he got depression and was sick.

That's not the reaction people have when a REAL angel of God visits people, like in Daniel, Mary, etc..
I’m a Christian, and the Dead Sea scrolls don’t confirm anything, all they do is raise more questions.

Not sure what you are reading that has you convinced otherwise
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The oldest Dead Sea scroll fragments go back to the 2nd century BCE, and that is if you believe the dating.

Also:

“While some of the Qumran biblical manuscripts are nearly identical to the Masoretic, or traditional, Hebrew text of the Old Testament, some manuscripts of the books of Exodus and Samuel found in Cave Four exhibit dramatic differences in both language and content. In their astonishing range of textual variants, the Qumran biblical discoveries have prompted scholars to reconsider the once-accepted theories of the development of the modern biblical text from only three manuscript families: of the Masoretic text, of the Hebrew original of the Septuagint, and of the Samaritan Pentateuch. It is now becoming increasingly clear that the Old Testament scripture was extremely fluid until its canonization around A.D. 100.”

***an, Brian M., and Charlotte Beck, The Oxford Companion to Archeology, entry on the "Dead sea scrolls", Oxford University Press, 1996.



I am not sure what op thinks he is proving by his post?
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
aww now you have to move the goal posts and go farther back because the dead sea scrolls confirm 2,800 years of faithful preservation of the Bible.


or, you know, your boy muhammad was not a prophet, and in fact a warlord who spread Islam by fear and violence and was deceived by Satan. When your boy muhammad was "visited" by the angel in that cave, he got depression and was sick.

That's not the reaction people have when a REAL angel of God visits people, like in Daniel, Mary, etc..
Warlord? Being in wars doesn't negate anything...do you reject Moses then? Also, where was Arabia during the 7th century? Between roman and Persian Empire and if you know anything of an empire, they are looking to expand their territory. It's eat or be eaten...what would you do? Pls, don't listen to these headlines and do some research.

Let me redo your post

The Quran says Jesus isn't the son of God and it's been preserved since the time of revelation. Brb that means Bible debunked. That isn't much of a claim tbh...Hindus claim the exact same thing btw.

Preserved you say? Ok, which Bible? You're a Christian right? Catholic or Protestant?

You know the angel part...I will debunk that nonsense using your Bible.

Luke 1
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Have you rejected Moses and Zechariah?
Originally Posted By Procta⏩
its over for Muslimcels
Brutal
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By MeSoHawny⏩
I’m a Christian, and the Dead Sea scrolls don’t confirm anything, all they do is raise more questions.

Not sure what you are reading that has you convinced otherwise
Rabbis differ actually on them as well
Originally Posted By MeSoHawny⏩
They are, many of the books are not even in the bible. Also the translations from Greek to other languages have shown differences in versions and interpretations

The Torah and the Koran can be passed on orally. The bible did not even exist until 350 years after Jesus died and is just a collection of works

OP should have thought twice about this thread.
Refer to this post might find it interesting..just things I've read over the years

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=184251463
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Wasn't Muhammed the first groomer?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Warlord? Being in wars doesn't negate anything...do you reject Moses then? Also, where was Arabia during the 7th century? Between roman and Persian Empire and if you know anything of an empire, they are looking to expand their territory. It's eat or be eaten...what would you do? Pls, don't listen to these headlines and do some research.

Let me redo your post

The Quran says Jesus isn't the son of God and it's been preserved since the time of revelation. Brb that means Bible debunked. That isn't much of a claim tbh...Hindus claim the exact same thing btw.

Preserved you say? Ok, which Bible? You're a Christian right? Catholic or Protestant?

You know the angel part...I will debunk that nonsense using your Bible.

Luke 1
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Have you rejected Moses and Zechariah?



Brutal
What you just posted just showed a temporary being scared at something suddenly appearing, but then being fine.


Meanwhile, your boy muhammad was DEPRESSED for days and was sick, he was traumatized from the bad energy he felt, he was convinced it was a demon. It was his older wife who convinced him it was an angel -after- time had passed.

you know this deep down in your heart, something aint right with islam.

Jesus is who Christians say He is.
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Originally Posted By Fishman15⏩
Wasn't Muhammed the first groomer?
Aisha was engaged to him at just six years old, read that he did something called "Thighing" before they consummated the marriage when she turned 9 years old.

According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fiancée, Aisha when she was six due to her small size and age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her. Imagine a man of fifty-one removing the clothes of a six-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs.


And people throughout the world are siding with individuals that believe this is okay????
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
What you just posted just showed a temporary being scared at something suddenly appearing, but then being fine.


Meanwhile, your boy muhammad was DEPRESSED for days and was sick, he was traumatized from the bad energy he felt, he was convinced it was a demon. It was his older wife who convinced him it was an angel -after- time had passed.
So if you are under 10 seconds, it doesn't count. Sure.
Ok, sure, that's your belief. Do you negate Moses though?
Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
you know this deep down in your heart, something aint right with islam.
If it helps you in your belief, you are free to think so...I can't control that.
Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
Jesus is who Christians say He is.
Which Bible? You said preservation...do Catholics, Protestants or Orthodox have the right Bible?
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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