BTW memecope the 100k KIA figure is easy to conclude when you factor in the 10s of thousands of Wagner soldiers, DPR/LPR Russo Ukrainians and Chechen’s fighting for Russia.

Ya no disagreement on that, iraq03 should have never happened. US was clearly in the wrong.


And yes they had more troops but iraq was also much better militarily then than ukraine was at the start of this war. Iraq had just finished winning a war with iran during the 80s (ironically with help from the US lmao), they had 1.4 mil active personnel, a shiet load of tanks and artillery, air defence systems, etc. It was at the time the fourth biggest military in the world.


My question here is why werent they able to do what the US did in iraq during desert storm/shield?

Why didnt they go on stealth bombing runs and follow up with large scale fighter air strikes? Why did they start with a ground invasion right off the bat? Why did they not provide infantry support for their tank crews?

It seems like so much went wrong for them during those initial weeks. Imo if did actually fix those things mentioned they would have taken kyiv.

Ukraine wasnt getting much help during the initial stages of the war though. It was only when nato saw that russia was having difficulties that it decided to start pumping in big supply packages.

If you remember, the US actually offered to fly zelensky and ukrainian officials out of ukraine because they thought it would be over quick.



Russia on paper should have been able to overtake ukraine just like US (plus coalition) took over iraq. Yes usa is better equipped, but iraq was also much better equipped than ukraine was.

They fukt up. Whether miscalculation from poor intel or just stupid strategy or some other reason idk, we will find out later.

Makes three of us memecope.
Hopefully your new years resolution is to get some of your facts and predictions right. But with the Bakhmut prediction in late december/early janurary sounds like it's going to start of chitty as usual.

RAND Corp secret wunderwaffles from cheyenne mountain will swoop in and save the ukraine any second now guys.. i totally swear!!1 its over for putler!

Dude I didn’t state the 100k KIA, US officials did. And yes, I truly believe both sides have around the same losses as far as KIA go. Do tell me why you think Ukraine has 5-10x KIA and aren’t loses ground daily?

Dabb, do tell me WHAT an WHEN did the US start getting massive amounts of equipment over the border from Poland into Ukraine and start changing the front lines?

People are still arguing about losses when we have no reliable source.

Russian Drone easily defeats Norwegian-American NASAMS Air Defense System.
I guess even basic drones are SUPER STEALTH to NATO Air Defense Systems, LMFAO.

So Much American/Norwegian/NATO Taxpayer money wasted on USELESS JUNK, LOL

These CHITTY Ratheon Aim-120 C7 AMRAAM and Aim-9X missiles can't even shoot down a slow drone, how do they expect to be able to shoot down something like a Chinese J20 or J35 Stealth Fighter?

They died as a result of our destroying iraqi water treatment facilities. Those kids got cholera and literally chit themselves to death

From the london guardian:No one even whispered of war crimes, nor mentioned Saddam's ties to the CIA

Oh no no no nazi bros

The Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer colossal losses in Artemovsk in the DPR - up to a battalion per day - officer of the People's Militia of the LPR Andrey Marochko

and sanctions killed a lot of kids as well

The second Iraq war resulted in over 1 million deaths, the majority of them being violent deaths. That doesn't even include the ensuing power vacuum which allowed ISIS to rise and go on a rampage, murdering and killing people in their wake.

The interesting thing about the ISIS campaign was that the US tacitly helped them. Obama had his draw down at the same time and gave them huge amounts of American weapons. The US also stopped the delivery of F-16 to Iraq, to allow ISIS breathing room to expand. Not to mention everythign the US did to help them in Syria.

Lets not also forget notable war crimes committed by the US:
- Shock and Awe
- The Battle of Fallujah (Americans encircled the city, cut off all media and reporters and killed everyone they could)
- Abu Ghraib
- Mahmudiyah rape and killings (American soldiers raped a 14 year old girl, the killed and burned the whole family)

I don't hate the US as an Iranian. I dislike the US because as they're losing power and we're moving to the multi polar world they're lashing out and causing war and chaos. I said long ago when Obama was in power that Obama was trying to start a conflict with Russia. He started the pacific pivot and the arms / troops build up around Russia. He basically instigated wars with both Russia and China. Interestingly when Biden gets into power the Obama agenda has been continued and now we see war and chaos in Ukraine.

As Putin said with his Golden Billion theory. A small part of the worlds population primarily based in the west want to maintain a system where the majority of the world is restricted from developing. The US is the prime instigator of this. Why cant everyone develop economically and have a good life? Why should the US restrict everyone?

The only reason you don;t care is because you benefit from this system. I also benefit from this system but I have the self-awareness to realise that and think it's only right everyone has the opportunity to develop and progress.

Russia is doing everyones dirty work. We can see significant legacies developing out of this war. the Russia - Iran Defense Pact. The Saudi break away from US control and the desire for more countries to move out of the US sphere of influence and develop the BRICS. Everyone is learning that the US wants to chit on the rest of the world to benefit themselves.

Desterm storm was a war against a much weaker country, witht flat terrain, with a degraded military, it really was nothing special.

Air supremacy is becoming a thing of the past. As I said earlier, if the US attacked Iran they wouldn't achieve Air Supremacy. Once a country has developed AD it becomes hard to achieve air supremacy. Iran has S-300, S-400 (incoming) and Bavar-373. Ukraine also benefits from having Russia made AD which is superior to American equivalents.

I have just been informed from the field that the Wagner PMC units have started to develop an offensive on Soledar from the south, from the direction of Bakhmutskoye village.

📌There have already been the first successes in the advance. A school building near the local village council has been taken under control, which other units could not storm for the past 4 months.

📌The company's efforts will apparently now focus on the destruction of the AFU grouping in and around Bakhmut and Soledar

[QUOTE=Sal29 post_id=1673601793]Russian Drone easily defeats Norwegian-American NASAMS Air Defense System.
I guess even basic drones are SUPER STEALTH to NATO Air Defense Systems, LMFAO.
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[b]So Much American/Norwegian/NATO Taxpayer money wasted on USELESS JUNK, LOL[/b]

These CHITTY Ratheon Aim-120 C7 AMRAAM and Aim-9X missiles can't even shoot down a slow drone, how do they expect to be able to shoot down something like a Chinese J20 or J35 Stealth Fighter?

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[img]https://www.janes.com/images/default-source/news-images/fg_1789696-jdw-1803.jpg?sfvrsn=3bc9b6f6_2[/ig][/QUOTE]Most American equipment is untested and doesn't work. It's embarrasing how great they think their tech is.

Russia had an SMO (small scale operation) and played nice.

The US went in ruthlessly and killed everything in sight. That's the reason for the difference.

If Russia started a war and went in ruthlessly they would have beat ukraine quickly. However playing nice and going in slowly allowed the Ukranians breathing room to put up more of a fight. There's nothing else to it.

There's a big difference in how you conudct a war when the people you're attacking are simialar to you, speak the same language and have historical ties compared to when you hate the people you're attacking and want to murrder as many as you can.

The Americans were absolutely blood thirsty during the 2003 Iraq war. It was disgusting.

From the U.S. you can see better how it really was and who is the clown here. Just believe what you want.I think the figure of those mobilized is about 500-600k,there are still a lot of former military young acquaintances with extensive experience in the Donbass in 2014-2022 walking down the street and they are still not called to the military registration and enlistment office. Many of my acquaintances, after 2-month training camps, were simply returned home without a contract and told that they were not needed yet.You're right, probably 90% of wounds are either a severe concussion to the head or a wound to the arms/feet. I would say that what I observe for 5 wounded - 1 killedThere is logic in this, the way to Chernihiv-Kyiv is the easiest logistically. In any case, let's see what forces they will assemble in 2-3 months and whether they will do it.I hope she took her close relatives in usa.
tnx bro.

The US military is a make work scheme. A lot of it is to buy political influence (send a ship building plant here, or aircraft plant there).

If you think it is even remotely as capable as advertised you're deluding yourself.

It's a paper tiger.

The Americans have a history of being blood thirsy. When i went to the war museum in Ho Chi Min City, there was a whole floor dedicated to American war crimes. It's absolutely disgusting what the US did in Vietnam. Not to mention their use of Agent Orange. I literally had a conversation with severely disabled and disfigured victims of the US use of Agent Orange. Truly horrifying.

I took great pleasure in everytime a group of Americans were in ear shot stating "Americans are savages".

When there was an investigation into claims of torture, the US general investigating found that there was indeed torture going on, including torture of children on US bases in the middle east. His final determination was that this was being done as a matter of policy issued by higher ups and further investigation into their commanders was needed. The DOD responded by prosecuting the low level grunts on the base and calling it case closed.

You mean you keep lying and deflecting, while redcop just makes things up.

250k initial invasion force, 20k+ separatists, 5-10k Chechens at least and that’s also not counting ***ner, Rosgvardia, GRU and the mobiks and whatever trash they rounded up.

Some pics of Artemovsk (Bakhmut)




When are you going to the front to fight for your beloved Ukraine? Or will you stay in Kiev this entire conflict LARPing on the misc while your brother and father do the fighting?TBH, I'm just teasing. I can't really blame you, as I wouldn't want to die for Zelensky either... But I wouldn't be cheerleading on a dying gay Indian bodybuilding forum for this war either, especially if I lived in Kiev.

I can answer your same question for the tenth time, if you really are a clown.

The newly mobilized men are in theatre as well. So there is no telling the actual number of men Russia has in Ukraine.

Merlen90 confirmed he's a transgender and doesn't qualify YET

Let's respect his/her gender

Besides Nazi Ucraine storming into Moscow this month right

good job, bot.
You will get your bonuses for the New Year.

What is your point in posting ITT? you are on the level of sal29, I don't see you post ANYWHERE else, and you only post dumb shiet like what is quoted. You are the definition of a Russian bot.