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12-26-2016, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted By OGMH23
I'm probably in the minority but i'd be happy for the front office to fire Baalke (must go regardless of what happens), Kelly, and move Kaep on even though he's showing signs of improvement.

Dream scenario is all 3 leave plus Jed sells the team.
Where have you been. We all pretty feel like he needs to go.
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12-27-2016, 05:28 AM
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Looks like Steelers may be resting some of their starters so maybe Cleveland may pull off another stunner.

Seattle has been playing like chit lately but I can't see us beating them. I think they'll definitely be playing to win because their whole thing is being physical and tough. If they lose to us they may as well not show up for the playoffs.

I am glad Jacksonville won so now we're guaranteed a top 2 pick. Cleveland wins and we lose and we get #1 overall. Otherwise we get #2 overall. Though a loss also keeps us at #2 in each round where a win will have us possibly move down in following rounds.

At this point I'm torn with what I'd want us to do. I think Myles Garrett is the safest pick in this class and would be an awesome addition to the defense but we have no answer at QB and that cannot happen.

If we pick at #1 we may still pull the trigger on a QB but we'd have our choice of the litter. Cleveland has the luxury of picking just a few picks later due to Philly tanking so they may go Garrett and go QB with that second pick but they may like a certain QB a lot more and with the niners, Jets and Chicago…possibly even Jacksonville picking before their 2nd pick those QBs could go awfully quick.

I think right now I have my QB rankings as

1. Trubisky
2. Watson
3. Kizer

But i want to see how they do with the draft prep/interviews/background info and all that crap because it's becoming a lot more important than film in some ways.

All those guys have great film and some bad film. Trubisky is a one year starter on a talented team, Watson has a talented team of his own and throws a lot of picks, Kizer's accuracy numbers and issues with coaching are concerning.

All 3 don't run a pro style offense so you basically have to project and identify how they'll learn. If chip Kelly is still here it's not as big of a problem but at the same time you can't draft a QB for one coach…especially one many people want to see fired after a 2-3 win season.

One thing is for sure Baalke needs to hit the road. I gave him a chance and he failed to deliver and we have to hit this pick. Have to.

I'd love to see the story of Jed stepping down be legit.

Bring in a football minded president who can hire an up and coming GM from a franchise with a long history of success via draft/free agency and winning and let him decide whether he wants to keep Kelly or hire someone else(I'd be leaning towards the later)
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12-27-2016, 07:58 AM
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Wish we traded this ******* when we had the chance

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Maybe new GM can call him up and do a little "you come back and we trade you" deal going. He just burned his bridges with the niners but we may be able to get a 7th round pick and a sandwich for him.
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12-27-2016, 09:17 AM
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Rex Ryan and brother?
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12-27-2016, 10:32 AM
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Rex Ryan and brother?
Absolutely not.
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12-27-2016, 10:35 AM
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Absolutely not.
That wasn't serious…. But it is a bit funny that they both got fired at the same time.
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12-28-2016, 09:22 AM
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I can't believe the talk lately about what Pats will be getting for Garoppolo.

I just don't see it. I would love to have Garoppolo on the niners but not for that first round pick and from what people are saying it would take even more than that which is fuking crazy.

Maybe if he had a bunch of years left on his rookie contract but trading for him any team getting him will pretty much have to also pony up the cash for a still somewhat unproven player.

I hope we make the right moves this offseason and nail this draft. Buckner looks like a keeper which will help the defense especially if Armstead is back healthy(hopefully he looks just as good as he did in camp before his injury)

Garrett to me seems like the safest pick but we really need a QB and outside the top 3 guys it's slim pickings.
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12-28-2016, 09:26 AM
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I can't believe the talk lately about what Pats will be getting for Garoppolo.

I just don't see it. I would love to have Garoppolo on the niners but not for that first round pick and from what people are saying it would take even more than that which is fuking crazy.

Maybe if he had a bunch of years left on his rookie contract but trading for him any team getting him will pretty much have to also pony up the cash for a still somewhat unproven player.

I hope we make the right moves this offseason and nail this draft. Buckner looks like a keeper which will help the defense especially if Armstead is back healthy(hopefully he looks just as good as he did in camp before his injury)

Garrett to me seems like the safest pick but we really need a QB and outside the top 3 guys it's slim pickings.
I saw that too and that is crazy… That is a lot to ask for a guy who has really only played in like 2.5 games.

I am pretty excited to see how Buckner and Armstead play when they are both 100%. I also hope to see a good NT along side them. Combined with a better lineup of ILB and better edge rushers we could start to do some damage.
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12-28-2016, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By jwtiger69
I saw that too and that is crazy… That is a lot to ask for a guy who has really only played in like 2.5 games.

I am pretty excited to see how Buckner and Armstead play when they are both 100%. I also hope to see a good NT along side them. Combined with a better lineup of ILB and better edge rushers we could start to do some damage.
Yeah, i want us to hit on a QB soon as possible but we could seriously turn our defense into something special with a few moves.

Draft Myles Garrett in the first, draft one of the ILB prospects, there are a bunch of pretty good ones this year.
Sign Dontari Poe in FA.

Suddenly we're looking pretty stout in the front 7.

Buckner, Poe and Armstead at DL
Garrett, Bowman, rookie and Lynch at OLB
Robinson, Ward, Reid, Tartt and Redmond in the secondary.
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12-28-2016, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus
Yeah, i want us to hit on a QB soon as possible but we could seriously turn our defense into something special with a few moves.

Draft Myles Garrett in the first, draft one of the ILB prospects, there are a bunch of pretty good ones this year.
Sign Dontari Poe in FA.

Suddenly we're looking pretty stout in the front 7.

Buckner, Poe and Armstead at DL
Garrett, Bowman, rookie and Lynch at OLB
Robinson, Ward, Reid, Tartt and Redmond in the secondary.
Hnngggg…. I really think our secondary is underestimated. Other than a few players our front 7 was garbage. That makes it really hard on the secondary. I think they will look a hell of a lot better once we fix that front 7 and can get a lot more pressure on the QB.
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12-28-2016, 10:11 AM
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Hnngggg…. I really think our secondary is underestimated. Other than a few players our front 7 was garbage. That makes it really hard on the secondary. I think they will look a hell of a lot better once we fix that front 7 and can get a lot more pressure on the QB.
Yeah i think our secondary played pretty well all things considered. Robinson has looked pretty impressive for a rookie and can grow into a pretty good player if he puts in the work.

I'm also curious to see how Will Redmond will look next year. Hopefully he won't be another ACL pick who does nothing. He definitely has talent and if healthy can be a top slot corner.

And obviously with a legit pass rush all of those guys look even better.

We may also end up drafting a couple of inside backers when it's all said and done due to concerns about Bowman coming back healthy.

Rueben Foster is the best of the bunch and will go early but any of these guys can help improve us inside.

Zach Cunningham
Jarrad Davis
Raekwon McMillan
Anthony Walker
Kendell Beckwith
Micah Kiser
Keith Kelsey
TJ Watt could play inside too if he comes out
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12-28-2016, 06:56 PM
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I just don't want Baalke ****ing up another draft.
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12-28-2016, 07:35 PM
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I just don't want Baalke ****ing up another draft.
I'd be surprised if he was around after this season but I hope we don't promote Gamble to the job because that seems like a Jim Tomsula/Geep Chryst type of promotion i.e. keep the York yes man in place even though better candidates are available.
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12-28-2016, 07:38 PM
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I'd be surprised if he was around after this season but I hope we don't promote Gamble to the job because that seems like a Jim Tomsula/Geep Chryst type of promotion i.e. keep the York yes man in place even though better candidates are available.
Sounds like something the Niners would do
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12-28-2016, 09:29 PM
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I hate to be that guy that gets excited over a bowl game but Josh Reynolds looks like he could be a steal late/mid draft
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12-28-2016, 09:50 PM
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I'd trade our first pick for Jimmy G
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12-28-2016, 10:02 PM
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I just imagined the Pats using our draft pick for Myles Garrett. Belicheck would love to have that guy.
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12-29-2016, 05:12 AM
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I just imagined the Pats using our draft pick for Myles Garrett. Belicheck would love to have that guy.
Jonathan Allen would be a great pick for them as well.

I like Garoppolo but I just can't get behind trading a top 2 pick for a guy who you will need to pay a huge contract to within a year if not earlier.
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12-29-2016, 12:30 PM
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I don't mind Jimmy G. A first round is too high to give up considering this team really lacks talent. What good would it be if we don't know what kind of team or coach he'll have to work with in the near future.
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12-29-2016, 10:57 PM
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No ****ing way would I give up a first for Garrapolo. Not when there are a billion other holes to fix. Also why are people so keen in taking a QB in the first? They rarely pan out.
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12-29-2016, 11:13 PM
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No ****ing way would I give up a first for Garrapolo. Not when there are a billion other holes to fix. Also why are people so keen in taking a QB in the first? They rarely pan out.
Let's go get another D lineman or corner that doesn't do sh*t to help us win.

QB is the only position that can guarantee instant improvement as a team. We can get lucky and hit a homerun drafting a JJ Watt or AJ Green but those guys don't change a team. The Colts have as many holes as us but because they have Luck they're a contender every year. The Packers have maybe the best QB in the league and outside of that their roster isn't impressive at all.

We had all the talent in the world a few years ago but we just didn't have a QB. I'll take the chance on a QB with a high pick. Or we could get lucky and be the Rams and draft an Aaron Donald. Still a sh*t team with no QB.

Colts, Cowboys, Raiders and Titans all turned their franchises around recently because of a promising young QB. Why wouldn't we take that chance too?
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12-30-2016, 06:27 AM
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No ****ing way would I give up a first for Garrapolo. Not when there are a billion other holes to fix. Also why are people so keen in taking a QB in the first? They rarely pan out.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but that's definitely not true. Sure you have your misses in the first but you have that with any position, QBs are just the more memorable busts.

But the majority of starting QBs in the NFL have been drafted in the first round or top of round 2.

The Tom Brady's, Dak Prescotts, Russell Wilsons of the world are anomalies and if you plan on finding a franchise QB outside the first 2 rounds then you're begging for years of frustration with the position and as Sema mentions above…it's THE most important position in today's NFL.

Now what teams shouldn't do is draft QB out of need/desperation. I think Oakland is a perfect example of that. They stuck to their board and had Mack as the best player on there despite some other QBs being potential first rounders but not ones they felt were worth it at that spot. They were rewarded with Derek Carr in the 2nd round.

Obviously part of that is luck because Carr looks to be the best of that bunch but when you stick to your board odds are you will improve your team. When you start reaching for need it rarely works out.

The problem this year is lots of guys appear to be staying in school. There are really 3 guys at the top all fighting for who is the top QB - Watson, Trubisky and Kizer. None of them are sure things and unfortunately it will be tougher and tougher to draft QBs out of college with more teams going to spread offenses. Teams will have to project and predict who can handle the transition and who won't be able to hack it.

If i'm making our choice now I'm going

Myles Garrett
Mitch Trubisky
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12-31-2016, 08:17 PM
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I'm excited but also nervous at the same time. Wanna see who we bring in.
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01-01-2017, 05:38 AM
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One thing that makes me nervous is how many coaching jobs are available this season. Considering the Yorks and the fact we don't have a QB or a lot of talent we may not be able to draw a top guy…

Denver
LA
Buffalo
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Possibly New Orleans
Possibly Indy
I'm sure I'm missing a few as well.

Really hoping this doesn't backfire on us
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One thing that makes me nervous is how many coaching jobs are available this season. Considering the Yorks and the fact we don't have a QB or a lot of talent we may not be able to draw a top guy…

Denver
LA
Buffalo
Jax
Possibly New Orleans
Possibly Indy
I'm sure I'm missing a few as well.

Really hoping this doesn't backfire on us

I was just reading that arians has health issues. So we can add Arizona up there. Maybe not this year but sooner or later. After all he is like 63 or 65?
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01-01-2017, 08:17 AM
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Even thought this organization sucks… it is nice that we are finally cleaning house. For potential GMs it would be nice and that same goes for HCs. I couldn't see anyone wanting to come coach here with baalke still here but now some people may look at this differently.
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Wow jay glazer is reporting that it was baalke who pulled the plug on Gase in 2015 and not Jeb. If that is true good riddence baalke.

Guess its a done deal baalke is gone. Chip learns his fate later today.

Just happy we are making changes.
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Wow jay glazer is reporting that it was baalke who pulled the plug on Gase in 2015 and not Jeb. If that is true good riddence baalke.

Guess its a done deal baalke is gone. Chip learns his fate later today.

Just happy we are making changes.
Could be true but I don't know what to believe anymore. Fuking hate our owners and their leaks and how they do this chit.

I wish we waited til Monday or even after the game like every other decent franchise and not leak chit to the media before the people getting fired actually hear about it.
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01-01-2017, 01:19 PM
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Browns trying to do everything they can to lose this game
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Crazy to think how a seemingly innocuous 4th down conversion in a meaningless Week 17 game can drastically change the fortunes of an NFL franchise. Cleveland gets the stop there on 4th and grabs the W and all of a sudden SF is picking #1. One fuking OT completion with the backups in can alter the NFL universe
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