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Originally Posted By mcdojo⏩
I think he admitted this that and the other a year or so ago, if you can be bothered to look. I can't.3 plate bench for 8 reps @ 165lb bodyweight
Can i trust that this guy is a life time natty?
Can i trust that this guy is a life time natty?
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Originally Posted By f4k⏩
Yep. 10 years of squat bench deadlift and my arm has grown a whole like 0.32". If I wanted to look massive and sculpted like an Olympic statue I could inject to any size.
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
we shall see, *******Hahahaha
Post of the year. 3/4/5 in one year of training..
Must be a troll. Or retarded.
Post of the year. 3/4/5 in one year of training..
Must be a troll. Or retarded.
expect a call out thread before this year ends
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Originally Posted By ThiefBra⏩
1. Not nattyJason Blaha....now close this mothafukn topic.
2. Or are his raw competition lifts even posted anywhere? Never seen them, we only have his word.. which is worthless
3. Fat as fck anyway
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Originally Posted By mcdojo⏩
If i remember there is a much wider variance in strength amongst individuals than muscle building when it comes to genetics.3 plate bench for 8 reps @ 165lb bodyweight
Can i trust that this guy is a life time natty?
Can i trust that this guy is a life time natty?
Dude just has it and trained correctly.
Originally Posted By uwotm7plus1⏩
we shall see, *******
expect a call out thread before this year ends
expect a call out thread before this year ends
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Originally Posted By uwotm7plus1⏩
Its me who will be calling you out. I have a very long memory.we shall see, *******
expect a call out thread before this year ends
expect a call out thread before this year ends
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
Apparently awful muscle memory, soyboy...Its me who will be calling you out. I have a very long memory.
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04-14-2018, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted By f4k⏩
LMAO is this dude trolling?Yep. 10 years of squat bench deadlift and my arm has grown a whole like 0.32". If I wanted to look massive and sculpted like an Olympic statue I could inject to any size.
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
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Lol at some miscers that are saying Im not natty cause I repped 3 plate bench for 8. Jus lol.
Go see the u74 ipf class. Alot can rep that ****.
Go see the u74 ipf class. Alot can rep that ****.
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
He is a perfect example of why you MUST cut first to achieve optimal aesthetics (unless you have great genetics or are already skinny/lean), otherwise you just keep putting on a lot of fat and little muscle due to hormones/poor nutrient partitioning and always look like sht.1. Not natty
2. Or are his raw competition lifts even posted anywhere? Never seen them, we only have his word.. which is worthless
3. Fat as fck anyway
2. Or are his raw competition lifts even posted anywhere? Never seen them, we only have his word.. which is worthless
3. Fat as fck anyway
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
What you accomplish in 9 years is not the benchmark for everyone.Squat/bench/dead is NOT for normal natty's
Superior genetics, programming and work ethic could easily allow a natural to achieve what you believe to be the mythical 3/4/5 1215 total.
Event with average genetics, programming and work ethic a good dose of consistency will get you there.
Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
Hit your protein and fat minimums to stay healthy and keep your gainz.
Lift heavy and do HIIT to look and feel awesome.
Use the internet to learn why you should do these things and how to do these things.
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Originally Posted By Loochi⏩
Well, 4/3/5 is squatting 180kg, benching 140kg and deadlifting 220kg, for a total of 540kg.Lol at some miscers that are saying Im not natty cause I repped 3 plate bench for 8. Jus lol.
Go see the u74 ipf class. Alot can rep that ****.
Go see the u74 ipf class. Alot can rep that ****.
Now, our OP says doing 540 is impossible for a natty unless they're chubby.
Originally Posted By thespinelessone
I would argue it'seasierif you're chubby, but while it's probably impossible with visible abs (bodyfat about 10%) it's not impossible if you're a middling (say 15%) bodyfat.I'm talking a 3 plate bench, deep 4 plate squat, repping a 5 plate dead.. you are NOT EVER going to achieve all 3.
Theworld recordsin tested competition are below. Let's just consider the middleweight guys - the 120+kg guys are generally chubby, and the 59kg guys are just freaky dwarves so let's not even think about them. We'll just look at the sorts of weights of non-obese lifters you'll see in a globogym, 70-95kg or so.
Obviously the records are usually held by different guys (thus the 3 added together not matching the total records), with some being great squatters but relatively poor benchers, or vice versa, etc - but let's ignore that for simplicity, and just look at the totals.
74kg - 270 / 211.5 / 322 and total 757; 540 is 71% of this.
83kg - 298 / 208.5 / 325.5 and total 814; 540 is 66% of this.
93kg - 325.5 / 232.5 / 372.5 and total 847.5; 540 is 63% of this.
By comparison, running 100m in 63-71% of the 9.58" world record time is doing it in 13.5-15.2". Running 5km in 63-71% of the 12'37" world record time is 17'45"-20'. Doing 63-71% of the 2.45m world record high jump is 1.54-1.80m.
So if you say that a male in his 20s at a middle bodyweight squatting 4, benching 3 and deadlifting 5 plates is impossible without drugs, then you are also saying that running a 14" 100m, an 18' 5km, and high jumping 5'6" is impossible without drugs. And we can throw in a 3hr marathon, a 48m discus throw, and a 120kg snatch for good measure.
None of these things areeasy. But experience suggests that they do not need drugs, just several years of consistent hard work. Which most of us haven't put in. My successes are to my credit, my failures are my responsibility. I realise that these is an unpopular position to take, it's much more fun to take credit for my success and blame someone else for my failures. Personal responsibility. Radical sht, man.
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Originally Posted By f4k⏩
200 lbs squat after 10 years of SBD? Absolutely haram. If you're what "true natty" looks like, I need to find the person putting gear in my water.Yep. 10 years of squat bench deadlift and my arm has grown a whole like 0.32". If I wanted to look massive and sculpted like an Olympic statue I could inject to any size.
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
You know that, he knows that, everyone knows that. It isn't special, just expensive.
I recently PR'd 200lbs squat below parallel. My lifts are still going up about ~2-3lbs per month- even though my body isn't getting bigger. I hit some kind of myofascia limit- the muscle is already very tight, the covering is stretched a bit when fully filled with blood. I might be the only true natural in this thread. Take notes, this is how it looks. I don't take measurements with any pump, this is likely why they never seemed to move. My bone, tendon process attachments are getting larger, little by little. It is important to grow these out before getting really strong "all of the sudden" cough*, to avoid injury.
Before you can make 1000 horsepower you have to prep the chassis
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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
I love snooker. I'd give anything to be good at it. Practised properly, everything. Top break, ever.. 25.Well, 4/3/5 is squatting 180kg, benching 140kg and deadlifting 220kg, for a total of 540kg.
Now, our OP says doing 540 is impossible for a natty unless they're chubby.
I would argue it'seasierif you're chubby, but while it's probably impossible with visible abs (bodyfat about 10%) it's not impossible if you're a middling (say 15%) bodyfat.
Theworld recordsin tested competition are below. Let's just consider the middleweight guys - the 120+kg guys are generally chubby, and the 59kg guys are just freaky dwarves so let's not even think about them. We'll just look at the sorts of weights of non-obese lifters you'll see in a globogym, 70-95kg or so.
Obviously the records are usually held by different guys (thus the 3 added together not matching the total records), with some being great squatters but relatively poor benchers, or vice versa, etc - but let's ignore that for simplicity, and just look at the totals.
74kg - 270 / 211.5 / 322 and total 757; 540 is 71% of this.
83kg - 298 / 208.5 / 325.5 and total 814; 540 is 66% of this.
93kg - 325.5 / 232.5 / 372.5 and total 847.5; 540 is 63% of this.
By comparison, running 100m in 63-71% of the 9.58" world record time is doing it in 13.5-15.2". Running 5km in 63-71% of the 12'37" world record time is 17'45"-20'. Doing 63-71% of the 2.45m world record high jump is 1.54-1.80m.
So if you say that a male in his 20s at a middle bodyweight squatting 4, benching 3 and deadlifting 5 plates is impossible without drugs, then you are also saying that running a 14" 100m, an 18' 5km, and high jumping 5'6" is impossible without drugs. And we can throw in a 3hr marathon, a 48m discus throw, and a 120kg snatch for good measure.
None of these things areeasy. But experience suggests that they do not need drugs, just several years of consistent hard work. Which most of us haven't put in. My successes are to my credit, my failures are my responsibility. I realise that these is an unpopular position to take, it's much more fun to take credit for my success and blame someone else for my failures. Personal responsibility. Radical sht, man.
Now, our OP says doing 540 is impossible for a natty unless they're chubby.
I would argue it'seasierif you're chubby, but while it's probably impossible with visible abs (bodyfat about 10%) it's not impossible if you're a middling (say 15%) bodyfat.
Theworld recordsin tested competition are below. Let's just consider the middleweight guys - the 120+kg guys are generally chubby, and the 59kg guys are just freaky dwarves so let's not even think about them. We'll just look at the sorts of weights of non-obese lifters you'll see in a globogym, 70-95kg or so.
Obviously the records are usually held by different guys (thus the 3 added together not matching the total records), with some being great squatters but relatively poor benchers, or vice versa, etc - but let's ignore that for simplicity, and just look at the totals.
74kg - 270 / 211.5 / 322 and total 757; 540 is 71% of this.
83kg - 298 / 208.5 / 325.5 and total 814; 540 is 66% of this.
93kg - 325.5 / 232.5 / 372.5 and total 847.5; 540 is 63% of this.
By comparison, running 100m in 63-71% of the 9.58" world record time is doing it in 13.5-15.2". Running 5km in 63-71% of the 12'37" world record time is 17'45"-20'. Doing 63-71% of the 2.45m world record high jump is 1.54-1.80m.
So if you say that a male in his 20s at a middle bodyweight squatting 4, benching 3 and deadlifting 5 plates is impossible without drugs, then you are also saying that running a 14" 100m, an 18' 5km, and high jumping 5'6" is impossible without drugs. And we can throw in a 3hr marathon, a 48m discus throw, and a 120kg snatch for good measure.
None of these things areeasy. But experience suggests that they do not need drugs, just several years of consistent hard work. Which most of us haven't put in. My successes are to my credit, my failures are my responsibility. I realise that these is an unpopular position to take, it's much more fun to take credit for my success and blame someone else for my failures. Personal responsibility. Radical sht, man.
Since every pro and a ton of amateurs have made max 147's, repeatedly, am I literally less than a sixth as good? Turn it around, in marathon terms that's a 12 hour plus marathon. Which I could do pushing a pea with my nose.
Can't compare one sport to another.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
'Normal natties'What you accomplish in 9 years is not the benchmark for everyone.
Superior genetics, programming and work ethic could easily allow a natural to achieve what you believe to be the mythical 3/4/5 1215 total.
Event with average genetics, programming and work ethic a good dose of consistency will get you there.
Superior genetics, programming and work ethic could easily allow a natural to achieve what you believe to be the mythical 3/4/5 1215 total.
Event with average genetics, programming and work ethic a good dose of consistency will get you there.
'Superior genetics'
Come on man, you tell us repeatedly how smart you are, try not to sound thick.
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
You literally quoted me talking about average genetic, read the last line again Derpington.'Normal natties'
'Superior genetics'
Come on man, you tell us repeatedly how smart you are, try not to sound thick.
'Superior genetics'
Come on man, you tell us repeatedly how smart you are, try not to sound thick.
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I'd rep OP just for making a 6 page thread, but what a load of cope. Didn't your mother ever tell you that you can do anything if you put your mind to it?
FS/ S/ OHP/ B/ DL
120/150/70/100/180 =KG
I don't go to the gym anymore so above stats are useless.
Only do weighted calastentics in the comfort of my own home!
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Originally Posted By Junsuiakai⏩
In the way that you haven't in your sig, yeah?I'd rep OP just for making a 6 page thread, but what a load of cope. Didn't your mother ever tell you that you can do anything if you put your mind to it?
Thread is almost entirely made up of people who swear they can do it but don't provide any evidence, or people that assure me they will do it, soon..
Just..lols
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
Im not chitting on this dude, especially since I don't have an avi, but this is the reason that nattys need to do a bro split If they want actual muscles gains.
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Can't even imagine living life believing that only cheaters attain success.
Just glad that I'm not you.
Just glad that I'm not you.
Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
Hit your protein and fat minimums to stay healthy and keep your gainz.
Lift heavy and do HIIT to look and feel awesome.
Use the internet to learn why you should do these things and how to do these things.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
Can't even imagine living life believing that onlycheatersattain success.
Just glad that I'm not you.
Just glad that I'm not you.
A total@A body weight
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
I've only been training for 4 years, still got loads of time, say another 20 yrs, and I'm sure if I honestly wanted to max out, I could in time, but I don't want to purely focus on strength.In the way that you haven't in your sig, yeah?
Thread is almost entirely made up of people who swear they can do it but don't provide any evidence, or people that assure me they will do it, soon..
Just..lols
Thread is almost entirely made up of people who swear they can do it but don't provide any evidence, or people that assure me they will do it, soon..
Just..lols
FS/ S/ OHP/ B/ DL
120/150/70/100/180 =KG
I don't go to the gym anymore so above stats are useless.
Only do weighted calastentics in the comfort of my own home!
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=173620211&page=138 go here if you want an estimation on your bf%
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Originally Posted By milesgiles1⏩
idk if I'm genetically gifted or what, but i'm 100% natty, drug-free for life, and i'm 165 lb, 5'7'' and I can squat 405x 10 reps, bench 305 lbs and deadlift 420 lbsSorry to break it to you, but for the average bro, pursuing a big squat, bench AND dead will result in an utterly mediocre lift in all three.
If you want to be head turningly exceptional in any one of those lifts, you need to junk the other two. It's not happening. I'm talking a 3 plate bench, deep 4 plate squat, repping a 5 plate dead.. you are NOT EVER going to achieve all 3.
Please accept this and stop wasting years trying to be the exception. You aren't. These are hard lifts that tax your CNS to beyond what you can recover from, very quickly.
My advice is to lollygag on 90% of your training and go hard on the one or two lifts you really care about. I will bump this thread in a year and report my results. (It's a theory at the moment and it's only my opinion. Although I'm almost certainly right).
If you want to be head turningly exceptional in any one of those lifts, you need to junk the other two. It's not happening. I'm talking a 3 plate bench, deep 4 plate squat, repping a 5 plate dead.. you are NOT EVER going to achieve all 3.
Please accept this and stop wasting years trying to be the exception. You aren't. These are hard lifts that tax your CNS to beyond what you can recover from, very quickly.
My advice is to lollygag on 90% of your training and go hard on the one or two lifts you really care about. I will bump this thread in a year and report my results. (It's a theory at the moment and it's only my opinion. Although I'm almost certainly right).
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Originally Posted By AlamedaBoy⏩
no, screw that gay crap, bodybuilding will live on forever, I'll be benching twice my bodyweight, deadlifting and squatting 3 times my bodyweight soon enough, all this while being ripped (perfect six pack) and 100% natty for lifeBodybuilding is dead anyway(at least the current fad obsession with it) by 2020 we'll be gone full cycle, jogging and aerobics will be in vogue.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
anybody can be strong af at 250 lbs, try being strong af at 165 lbsI dont believe anyone who achieves those numbers is natty unless they can provide pics of when they bulked and were over 20% bf or are like 250 lbs.
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
no, the squat and the deadlift should be equal, unless there's an imbalance (a weaker deadlift is a sign of weak hamstring compared to the quads, a weaker squat is a sign of weak quads compared to the hamstrings)are you supposed to be able to squat more than you dead?
my max on both are about 4 plates each but that was after going up like this: 135x12,185x10,225x8,275x6,315x6 (I usually cant do 6 all at once, maybe 2 or 3 , rest for seconds and then do 3 more) then 365x 1 and 405 x 1
if I was fresh and not cutting like I was always doing.. I could proabably lift more..
on bench I dont think I attempted 3 plates because I was afraid without a spot but maybe 280-290 (after many sets of bench before)
my max on both are about 4 plates each but that was after going up like this: 135x12,185x10,225x8,275x6,315x6 (I usually cant do 6 all at once, maybe 2 or 3 , rest for seconds and then do 3 more) then 365x 1 and 405 x 1
if I was fresh and not cutting like I was always doing.. I could proabably lift more..
on bench I dont think I attempted 3 plates because I was afraid without a spot but maybe 280-290 (after many sets of bench before)
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Originally Posted By quadsripped⏩
Lol what?anybody can be strong af at 250 lbs, try being strong af at 165 lbs
S/B/D/OHP: 405/265/495/180
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Originally Posted By quadsripped⏩
Squatting 405x10 and only pulling 420. I am beyond skeptical.idk if I'm genetically gifted or what, but i'm 100% natty, drug-free for life, and i'm 165 lb, 5'7'' and I can squat 405x 10 reps, bench 305 lbs and deadlift 420 lbs
Edit. Just read your posts on this page. Lol nvm
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
you are not natty.Sorry but you don’t belong in the strength discussions.
Countless people can do this...
Countless people can do this...
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Originally Posted By WorldClassDBag⏩
it's true, have you ever pigged out for months until you become like 250 lbs? your strength levels simply go up, all natty, from all that fat gain or whatever, it has happened to me in the past (i ballooned up to 200 lbs at 5'7'' and i was lifting crazy weights especially on the bench)Lol what?
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