I agree there is more to life than just women, but this is geared more towards the guys that cry that they cant get any girls and don't have anything going on in their lives. It's one thing when you are focusing on your career and any hobbies you have, that you don't have alot of time to be social. However; The incels on here are the ones that will sit on these forums, cry about being alone, but they wont do anything to change that. Why would a woman be interested in a guy who has zero confidence in themselves and they basically do nothing with their lives???

I think the thing is guys don't want to go through the large amount of painful rejection it takes to get a decent looking girl if you're not a good looking guy. The approach to lay ratio for average men is probably 50-1, possibly a lot higher depending on how good they are at approaching.

If you have to speak to 50 women to get 1 lay that is a big drain on 1) time and 2) self-esteem / pride.

Most incels think it's not worth the effort and who can blame them?

They all flake, play games, are banging other dudes etc too. It's not like an incel can just ask out a cute girl and have a wonderful date and are dating a week later. If you want something serious you are going to have to deal with a lot of stuff unless you are dating some ugly chick who literally has zero options

There's just no way most men can do this. Especially if they are prone to rejection. Most incels know this, they are just told to keep trying 50 million times

So you are just gonna give up and be miserable for the rest of your life?

He has a girlfriend that he lives with.

Srs.

But he seems to promote the incel view of the world to other men.

I think I'd rather be alone than approach 50-100 women, giving them the ego boost of being approached, and then still get rejected in the majority of cases afterwards. It's just not worth the feeling of my ego being decimated, to be frank. Most modern women are terrible people and I'd rather not give them the satisfaction. I respect myself too much.

From what I've seen it really just depends on what sort of negatives you have to overcome in order to be successful. We all have strengths and weaknesses in terms of being attractive to women. Ultimately, it comes down to maximizing your strengths and minimizing your weaknesses and putting yourself out there in real life as much as possible.

Speaking for myself, I never had much luck with dating apps, I'm average looking to be honest. Once I accepted this I worked on making myself attractive in other areas of my life. All my life I've always been involved with music; collecting LPs, listening, playing (saxophone/guitar) and I've used this interest to expand my social circle and meet some cool people and by extension women. I didn't take up this interest because I thought it could net me chicks, I just enjoy it personally and the fact that its helped me meet new people and gain friends is just an added benefit. If your life is boring and lame why would anyone, except for other boring/lame people, want to be part of it?

As far as dealing with women, its all about emotion not logic or some set of game rules. I always thought about it in terms of the mindset of being a kid again. Tease them, make them laugh, and don't take them seriously, its all about having fun together and when its time to show that you're attracted to them be decisive about it.

You don't have an ego to be decimated.
If you are just genuine and having fun, less than 10% of girls will actually reject you. You just need to see if there is some attraction or not after a few minutes and decide if you want to proceed or not.
Just going to a group of people and tell them you wanted to see what all these interesting-looking people were talking about. This will get you into 90% of groups. Divide your attention equally between all of them, maybe even less to the beautiful ones. The most beautiful ones will start questioning themselves and find you 'different' because they are the ones used to getting all the looks. As everything proceeds, you can position yourself to get a more private convo with the ones you really want and the group will not find it annoying. Rejoin the group shortly after and redivide attention. Do what they don't expect, be the one they can't get, yet pull in the line slowly.
It's a lot easier than it sounds.
Never give up bro, we got your back!

Attraction is predetermined.

In an ideal world this would happen, but no man has only a 10% rejection rate unless he's chad. A girl decides whether she considers you physically attractive enough for her standards within 3-5 seconds. Even if she doesn't blow you out (aka give you 'fk off' signals or verbally tell you to leave) then she still won't sleep with you.

Many guys wait till they have a girl alone. It gives the whole approach a hunter/prey vibe. She'll be scared and a lot more reserved. Groups are so much more accepting.
Especially if you are under 5/10, talk to groups.
If you don't find the group interesting anymore, move to the next one.

So I went out last weekend. Got a little too drunk, ran into a chick I work with, made an ass out of myself, left to go home and somehow managed to take an uber to the opposite end of town before catching another and going back home.


I quit. I think I realized I need to just be locked up somewhere away from society. Gonna save money on trying to go out and invest in a bigger TV. You gotta know when to throw the towel in.

Id rather just get a new motorcycle than a healthy relationship at this point.