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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
I've just straight up asked some bums if they wanted drugs before and they were happy to receive it. Then there was also one time when I invited one along with me into the supermarket and let him pick one thing. Interestingly enough he picked one of those kid megapacks of chips/crisps with 12 little bags in them. Why? So he could hand em out to his fellow bums that day and be a nice guy to his friends. That was pretty cool actually.
I have noticed that a lot of poor are more willing to share. And a lot of the uber wealthy are selfish af.
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For anyone accusing her of hinting at me, she wasn’t. She was with me when I was young af and had nothing living paycheck to paycheck. She used me as an example when talking to our son about hard work. And yes she contributes about 30k a year which isn’t much, but she does it because she wants to. Without her we would still pull in 200k+

Part of me thinks she was slightly regurgitating some of the stuff I’ve said in the past to her. I’ve always despised the homeless, as I’ve always viewed it as a lifestyle vs being an unlucky situation.

Sure people can fall on hard times, but those people don’t stay homeless, so I don’t include them in that. I’m referring to the actual bums that choose to live that way.

Regardless, I’m 32 now and my views have changed slightly. I have a little more compassion than I used to. I’m not one to ever give them cash. A meal maybe, but never cash. For some reason what she said just didn’t sit well with me. Which is saying a lot when I think back historically to my own views.
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Originally Posted By Devin459⏩
For anyone accusing her of hinting at me, she wasn’t. She was with me when I was young af and had nothing living paycheck to paycheck. She used me as an example when talking to our son about hard work. And yes she contributes about 30k a year which isn’t much, but she does it because she wants to. Without her we would still pull in 200k+

Part of me thinks she was slightly regurgitating some of the stuff I’ve said in the past to her. I’ve always despised the homeless, as I’ve always viewed it as a lifestyle vs being an unlucky situation.

Sure people can fall on hard times, but those people don’t stay homeless, so I don’t include them in that. I’m referring to the actual bums that choose to live that way.

Regardless, I’m 32 now and my views have changed slightly. I have a little more compassion than I used to. I’m not one to ever give them cash. A meal maybe, but never cash. For some reason what she said just didn’t sit well with me. Which is saying a lot when I think back historically to my own views.
It is good that your views have evolved.
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
True, but OPs wife wasn’t only talking about beggars. She was talking about all men including the homeless non beggars.If you can’t work, you shouldn’t eat is what she said basically (if you are a man)

If all the wife said was don’t give money to beggars, that would be good. But then she went on to say a man should starve if he’s not able to provide for himself
That scripture gets so twisted. It was from/for a tribal people, or IOW a cooperative community. IMO it didn't mean "starve to death any man who doesn't work". It meant that the man who didn't contribute in producing the food shouldn't have a share in it. Sure, it was a statement against being a leech for no reason, but it was like a big extended family. I doubt they would literally starve a man who was injured or old because they couldn't hunt or farm as they would if able.

Contributing work and getting food to eat wasn't dependent on a system of employment for pay with very different outcomes for each person. If the community had a successful hunt or a good harvest everyone would share the food...a perishable item with a highly restricted period of utility [rot, spoilage].

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I hope you don't have any loved ones who struggle with addiction

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Yes. No drug addicted, alcoholic, disabled, aged, etc. people that you GAF about.
Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
What I’m trying to say is that the panhandlers aren’t representative of the general homeless population

You’re classifying people into just two groups, those who work themselves out of homeless. Or just addicts.But what about a legit real mental retard with an IQ of 50 who fell through the cracks and is homeless and may or may not be an addict? This is a large component of the homeless pop
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
If they have all their faculties about them, why would they not take advantage of the programs specifically meant to help the homeless reintegrate into society?

Have you ever met poor people? Lived with them and around them? Seen how they operate? I have. I've been at ground zero. There's a reason they're poor, just like there's a reason homeless are homeless.

Unless they are literally orphans, how irresponsible and dangerous do you have to be to have literally zero family members willing to let you crash with them until you're on your feet? No parents, uncles, aunts, siblings, friends, or anything?You're telling me these people managed to make zero emotionally connections with people that would help them out while they got back on their feet.
Of course there are some people who are homeless by choice or due to their ongoing crappy decisions. And there are people who are temporarily homeless and are able to get back on their feet. Maybe some who are just such awful human beings no one is willing to remain in contact with them.

As far as questioning the reality of people who deserve help and yet are not getting it a lot of people can become "orphans" by middle age and the system for getting help from an agency can require ticking a lot of boxes and providing a lot of documentation which [duh] those most in need of such help are rarely able to get through. I had an aunt who lived with her parents her entire life [mildly retarded?]. My mom had to fight like hell to get her a little monthly payment and then into a facility to stay after their parents had both passed. If my mom hadn't stepped up to do that then her sister could have absolutely been shoved out on to the street.

There is a homeless woman who likes to swing and sing loudly [and not well] at a nearby park. I'm glad she finds some joy somewhere. There is another older woman who I often see sitting at the edge of the Kroger parking lot in all sorts of weather. We are adjacent to a bus line and even for people who can find a place in some sort of shelter that isn't too dangerous or awful most require residents to get up and leave by 7 AM or some such and they are not allowed to return until a set time, may have to wait in line to try and get a bed for the night, and are then more or less locked in until the next day.
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I think all the homeless should be rounded up and mashed to be used as fertilizer, food for our animals, and bones can be used to make industrial soap.

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you know how during auto****y our body replaces, recycles, and destroys damaged proteins, this is an important step, kinda like when you clean up your house, or take a shower, we need to constantly destroy and replace the waste, bums on the street are a waste, like feces that come out of our asses, they need to be gotten rid of,

When we don’t clean up the garbage in our bodies, we end up with cancer, all these mutations, such as protesters, bums, ****philes, politicians, bankers, trannies, all those are mutated and damaged organisms, they need to be destroyed before they develop into cancer.
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Originally Posted By Devin459⏩
And yes she contributes about 30k a year which isn’t much
brutal, some rats in NYC earn more that that!


she is basically on the dole srs
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I offered a beer to a guy begging for money at a red light. He said "no, I'm trying to get off that" and walked away. Before the light turned green, he was back and said "I'll take that beer, it's a warm day".

It's all I had to give at the time.
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Originally Posted By alltrapbrah⏩
I’d be pissed too. Her reaction smacks of cold heartedness and a lack of compassion.

Not the kind of wife I’d want but to each their own.
Yup, she sounds awful. Will she have any compassion if god forbid you go through a really rough time with your mental or physical health?
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Yup, she sounds awful. Will she have any compassion if god forbid you go through a really rough time with your mental or physical health?
she will show him how to pull himself by the bootstraps with her 30k per year

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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Funny is that I'm the same age as you now OP and my views have evolved as well. I used to be a hard lined person in every way. But while I agree with your wife for most of what she said, the nuance of saying "not deserving to eat" is the issue I would have as well. I never give to the homeless, but they aren't all just drug fiends and they still deserve to eat. There's a point where compassion comes into play.

These are the things that are good to think about so that when I have kids I can give a more nuanced approach to teaching some life lessons. Otherwise I 100% could come across as jaded in some ways.
100%, my views also evolved. Hardline positions are a failure to empathize, mostly because we project our own (likely more fortunate) situation. Reality is far more nuanced.

I think liberals go too far with the no-fault position, and conservatives go too far with the full-fault position.
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your wife sounds based af

send me her digis when u get divorced srs
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
I think liberals go too far with the no-fault position, and conservatives go too far with the full-fault position.
ughhhh sorry, libtard, us alphas here do not like it when some sort of black and white position is not enforced

especially between our sessions of accusing libtards and bootlicking


now, mire me and my wife (that will definitely stick to me through good and bad for sure 100%, after all the priest at our Christian wedding insured it with words)

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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Funny is that I'm the same age as you now OP and my views have evolved as well. I used to be a hard lined person in every way. But while I agree with your wife for most of what she said, the nuance of saying "not deserving to eat" is the issue I would have as well. I never give to the homeless, but they aren't all just drug fiends and they still deserve to eat. There's a point where compassion comes into play.

These are the things that are good to think about so that when I have kids I can give a more nuanced approach to teaching some life lessons. Otherwise I 100% could come across as jaded in some ways.
You also don't live in an inner city. One week living in NYC and you'd agree 200% with OP's wife.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Funny is that I'm the same age as you now OP and my views have evolved as well. I used to be a hard lined person in every way. But while I agree with your wife for most of what she said, the nuance of saying "not deserving to eat" is the issue I would have as well. I never give to the homeless, but they aren't all just drug fiends and they still deserve to eat. There's a point where compassion comes into play.

These are the things that are good to think about so that when I have kids I can give a more nuanced approach to teaching some life lessons. Otherwise I 100% could come across as jaded in some ways.
A lot of the US population is one injury or illness away from being broke and homeless

Lack of or no healthcare then losing a job due that issue is not uncommon

If you have no safety net then it is easy to come onto hard times…a lot of people that end up homeless aren’t addicts. Many become addicts once homeless because it allows them to escape their reality
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
100%, my views also evolved. Hardline positions are a failure to empathize, mostly because we project our own (likely more fortunate) situation. Reality is far more nuanced.

I think liberals go too far with the no-fault position, and conservatives go too far with the full-fault position.
Yep. Not to mention that docs and big pharma companies legit pushed highly addictive pain meds onto regular people, many of whom later moved on to stronger/illegal stuff once they were hooked. And after all the money was made, companies just cut the government a penalty check. Everyone wins, right?

The drug epidemic and homelessness can be a complicated issue. Weird af when you watch videos on youtube of people who had normal lives and sound smart/educated who say they started off on Rx meds after surgery or whatever and now suk dik for meth.
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Shouldn't be too harsh. They can't integrate into society for whatever reason.

I'd like to fook off into a gigantic forest and build my own cabin, as should be my basic human right.

Alas, Mr X has a piece of paper, saying he owns the forest.
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I'm on board with this. Send her to me and I will marry her instead. Y'all clearly aren't compatible and it's a shame you didn't figure this out before bringing a child into this world. Totally irresponsible by both of you imo
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Curious why some of you think eating is this basic right that should be given to you. What species gets to eat that can't provide for itself? Those animals starve off and die. Best case scenario is there's a pack that supports one another, but usually each member still brings value in some form or another that allows them to be a part of the benefits which includes eating.

I agree with her completely. Is it a bit cruel and callous to say it out loud? Yeah but she's 100% correct as well. In this life you need to be able to provide for yourself and your son should know that lesson. She's literally trying to teach him to avoid being some leech expecting handouts.

This is something Democrats would support tbh.
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Originally Posted By Devin459⏩
We were sitting in traffic next to an overpass and a bum came up to the truck In front of us and accepted some cash from the driver.

My wife instantly turned to our 8 year old in the back seat and said “DO YOU SEE THAT ****?” “LISTEN TO ME SON. DONT YOU EVER GIVE MONEY TO BUMS.” “A grown man is supposed to be able to provide for himself, and if he can’t get a job and work for what he wants, then he doesn’t deserve to eat.”

Knowing my wife, I don’t think she actually meant it THAT literally. Especially the “eating” part. But I looked at her dumbfounded but didn’t actually call her out on it in front of our son; even though he knew better than to believe that himself. He argued that he thinks everyone should be able to eat. To Which I agree, but I understand the greater message she was poorly trying to convey. Which is don’t give bums money.

IMO it’s a 99.99999% chance that the money will go to drugs, alcohol or gambling. I’m just not sure if I should talk to her about how she worded it, or at least talk to our son about the not deserving to eat part.
What your wife told your son is from the Bible. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 you upset your wife doesn’t want to raise another Godless heathen
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Yep. Not to mention that docs and big pharma companies legit pushed highly addictive pain meds onto regular people, many of whom later moved on to stronger/illegal stuff once they were hooked. And after all the money was made, companies just cut the government a penalty check. Everyone wins, right?

The drug epidemic and homelessness can be a complicated issue. Weird af when you watch videos on youtube of people who had normal lives and sound smart/educated who say they started off on Rx meds after surgery or whatever and now suk dik for meth.
Aware. I've seen a few. People that had good jobs and even secondary degrees who have lost it all. The big themes seem to be divorce, major illness, and addiction. Sometimes excessive loss. Saw one of a man who had lost his family to a car accident- wife and kids. Just could not cope after that.
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What your wife told your son is from the Bible. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 you upset your wife doesn’t want to raise another Godless heathen
Quoting myself because we don't live in the time of 2 Thessalonians.
That scripture gets so twisted. It was from/for a tribal people, or IOW a cooperative community. IMO it didn't mean "starve to death any man who doesn't work". It meant that the man who didn't contribute in producing the food shouldn't have a share in it. Sure, it was a statement against being a leech for no reason, but it was like a big extended family. I doubt they would literally starve a man who was injured or old because they couldn't hunt or farm as they would if able.

Contributing work and getting food to eat wasn't dependent on a system of employment for pay with very different outcomes for each person. If the community had a successful hunt or a good harvest everyone would share the food...a perishable item with a highly restricted period of utility [rot, spoilage].
As mentioned already ITT the land that can support life is owned by someone else, so good luck with your hunting and foraging goals. I guess you can dumpster dive if you can find any good ones and they aren't locked and no one runs you off.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Curious why some of you think eating is this basic right that should be given to you. What species gets to eat that can't provide for itself? Those animals starve off and die. Best case scenario is there's a pack that supports one another, but usually each member still brings value in some form or another that allows them to be a part of the benefits which includes eating.

I agree with her completely. Is it a bit cruel and callous to say it out loud? Yeah but she's 100% correct as well. In this life you need to be able to provide for yourself and your son should know that lesson. She's literally trying to teach him to avoid being some leech expecting handouts.

This is something Democrats would support tbh.
It's not so much that it's a basic right. It's just that showing compassion sometimes can be a good thing. Maybe that one good deed and that one meal can be a start in turning somebody's life around, and making your community and society as a whole better.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
It's not so much that it's a basic right. It's just that showing compassion sometimes can be a good thing. Maybe that one good deed and that one meal can be a start in turning somebody's life around, and making your community and society as a whole better.
If you want to help someone out sure, no problem. No one is saying you can't. I think the message his wife is delivering though is more important. He should not be expecting handouts. He's more than capable of producing whatever it is that he wants. And this man on the street likely is as well.

So cut them a break if you want, but it's also not ok either and that message should be communicated.... probably to the bum himself. You don't have to be mean about it but there's 0 reason he should be in that position. He needs to get his sh*t together and stop expecting others to support him.

Straight up that's the reality of the situation. OP's wife is 100% spot on


If all that happens though is you give that bum money and walk away you didn't help him. You just perpetuated poor behavior. The real support you should be giving them is not the money itself but the communication that's clearly needed to move past begging.
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What about women? Not a lot of women today would be able to support themselves if they weren't slobbing knob or showing booty and boobs online.
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true story: i've given some bums/drifters near a shopping centre or public place a packaged loaf of bread or sandwich just to see if they would be greatful (and directly see if they would use the money for other things). They ****in got mad at me LMAO
They usually chant "please a euro for a piece of bread" blabla, ayyyyye
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Try an experiment. See how long your wife would be willing to stand outside in 100* heat hoping for some $$ for a drink. She'd quit in 10 minutes. There's this guy who panhandles and he has his young kid with him. Cool looking kid that always has a beanie. What most people don't do is look at the person and see if they're clean. If they're clean I'll help you out. If it looks like you're on a bender, pass. This guy and his kid are clean and last time I saw them I gave them a small bag of dog food for the puppy the kid likes to carry around.

You're wife sounds like a spoiled biatch. No hate but most Miscers who are married on here have pretty terrible wives. Maybe 1-2 exceptions.
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post 1685672093 07-01-2023, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
If you want to help someone out sure, no problem. No one is saying you can't. I think the message his wife is delivering though is more important. He should not be expecting handouts. He's more than capable of producing whatever it is that he wants. And this man on the street likely is as well.

So cut them a break if you want, but it's also not ok either and that message should be communicated.... probably to the bum himself. You don't have to be mean about it but there's 0 reason he should be in that position. He needs to get his sh*t together and stop expecting others to support him.

Straight up that's the reality of the situation. OP's wife is 100% spot on


If all that happens though is you give that bum money and walk away you didn't help him. You just perpetuated poor behavior.The real support you should be giving them is not the money itself but the communication that's clearly needed to move past begging.
Seems a bit harsh and over the top in the way she communicated it, but ultimately she is right.

That last point you made is actually key. I've talked to homeless people and have treated them as human. The way they open up and even become emotional when you treat them with basic respect and actually ask about their lives can be pretty impacting. Just handing over a few dollars and walking off, not so much.
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Originally Posted By Stackerbruh⏩
true story: i've given some bums/drifters near a shopping centre or public place a packaged loaf of bread or sandwich just to see if they would be greatful (and directly see if they would use the money for other things). They ****in got mad at me LMAO
They usually chant "please a euro for a piece of bread" blabla, ayyyyye
On an average individual basis Europeans drink more per person than Americans.
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post 1685672433 07-01-2023, 12:28 PM
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Wife is right. Unless a person is physically unable to work, they have no business taking other people's money.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Seems a bit harsh and over the top in the way she communicated it, but ultimately she is right.

That last point you made is actually key. I've talked to homeless people and have treated them as human. The way they open up and even become emotional when you treat them with basic respect and actually ask about their lives can be pretty impacting. Just handing over a few dollars and walking off, not so much.
Until she spends a day or "walks a mile in those shoes" she better keep a fooking open mind. Plenty of high class well provided for women think they're the sht or come from great families and then when everything falls down around them they end up like these women out there doing this stuff or pimping themselves out to get a tent over their head. That's the reality of it. Easier to say those things when you're born into a good family, have money, fuk the right dude (OP). Statistically, TONS of people are literally one missed paycheck from being out on the street. For her to say NEVER give money and just hard work blah blah. Yeah fuk her. My younger bro, came from a loving healthy background in our family. Had all the doors open in life for him. Turned to drugs and the wrong people. If for some reason one day him surviving an extra day meant OP and his Wife giving him 2$, I would hope they do the right thing. Sounds like we'll be planning a funeral thanks to OP's wife. This is just an example but it's also reality for a lot of people out there. I'm not saying give EVERY person $$ or you'd be broke. But it would serve you, the community, and maybe society to do a good deed once in awhile regardless of what the person CHOOSES to do with it.

Back when I drank a lot I had so many days where I told myself I was done with it. Took a long time to happen. But someone getting $$, especially today with a top of 104*, may just be that day.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Curious why some of you think eating is this basic right that should be given to you. What species gets to eat that can't provide for itself? Those animals starve off and die. Best case scenario is there's a pack that supports one another, but usually each member still brings value in some form or another that allows them to be a part of the benefits which includes eating.

I agree with her completely. Is it a bit cruel and callous to say it out loud? Yeah but she's 100% correct as well. In this life you need to be able to provide for yourself and your son should know that lesson. She's literally trying to teach him to avoid being some leech expecting handouts.

This is something Democrats would support tbh.
I guess we are all abiding by a social contract. Technically at any point a man can tear it up, and decide to go it alone, & fck the consequences.

In earlier times you could leave the village and head off into the woods. Food would be there to hunt, or it wouldn't.

This is not an option anymore.

Man has a natural right to eat though i think. Even if it takes force or violence to get it.
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Originally Posted By roosky11⏩
What about women? Not a lot of women today would be able to support themselves if they weren't slobbing knob or showing booty and boobs online.
Originally Posted By roosky11⏩
Try an experiment. See how long your wife would be willing to stand outside in 100* heat hoping for some $$ for a drink. She'd quit in 10 minutes. There's this guy who panhandles and he has his young kid with him. Cool looking kid that always has a beanie. What most people don't do is look at the person and see if they're clean. If they're clean I'll help you out. If it looks like you're on a bender, pass. This guy and his kid are clean and last time I saw them I gave them a small bag of dog food for the puppy the kid likes to carry around.

You're wife sounds like a spoiled biatch. No hate but most Miscers who are married on here have pretty terrible wives. Maybe 1-2 exceptions.
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