04-23-2024, 06:29 PM
#151
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Over time the workforce has become more educated and more specialised as the economy has developed.
Except I haven't died on this hill - multiple others ITT did. Thanks for going through my thought exercise, and providing your support!
Edit : But thanks for making me chuckle when you said the machinists will upskill into higher paid roles…
Edit : But thanks for making me chuckle when you said the machinists will upskill into higher paid roles…
All of this is empirically proven, not sure why you’d bother arguing about it.
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04-23-2024, 06:37 PM
#152
Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Interesting how you think that is what I am arguing about.
Over time the workforce has become more educated and more specialised as the economy has developed.
All of this is empirically proven, not sure why you’d bother arguing about it.
All of this is empirically proven, not sure why you’d bother arguing about it.
It's almost like you're not even comprehending my posts.
Or at least selectively reading them.
04-23-2024, 06:45 PM
#153
Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
That is no longer the case. If you look at any large graduate employer, they are having to teach recent graduates things they didn't need to teach them ten years ago. Many of them, even from elite universities, lack many of the basic skills necessary in the workplace and which were took for granted.
Over time the workforce has become more educated and more specialised as the economy has developed.
All of this is empirically proven, not sure why you’d bother arguing about it.
All of this is empirically proven, not sure why you’d bother arguing about it.
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
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04-23-2024, 06:51 PM
#154
Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Leas education and more learning (apprenticeships/internships) with low but reasonable wages would be a step in the right direction imo. Prove yourself in the real world, learn through experience, etc. But academia and the financial infrastructure around it seems to disapprove of this perspective.
That is no longer the case. If you look at any large graduate employer, they are having to teach recent graduates things they didn't need to teach them ten years ago. Many of them, even from elite universities, lack many of the basic skills necessary in the workplace and which were took for granted.
04-23-2024, 07:09 PM
#155
Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Probably depends on what calibre of graduates your firm can attract and retain
That is no longer the case. If you look at any large graduate employer, they are having to teach recent graduates things they didn't need to teach them ten years ago. Many of them, even from elite universities, lack many of the basic skills necessary in the workplace and which were took for granted.
I’ve been consistently impressed by the quality of young people coming through our grad programme, both technically and in terms of work ethic
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04-23-2024, 07:11 PM
#156
Originally Posted By Amp30⏩
Work/life balance???
Anyone would want that, not saying it's realistic. Just saying that'd be the perfect work/life balance.
The only people who can pull that kind of schedule while still making good money are business owners who grinded hard early on and aren't attached to a 9-5 hourly wage
The only people who can pull that kind of schedule while still making good money are business owners who grinded hard early on and aren't attached to a 9-5 hourly wage
Most of you do jack ****, except play video games on your day off…..
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04-23-2024, 07:15 PM
#157
Ultimate trigger for voidgheyz
Back when he was in the Starbucks Corp he used to work 60 hours work weeks for $9
Now Gen Z works 20 hours for $25. $65 if you include the Bitcoin investments.
Back when he was in the Starbucks Corp he used to work 60 hours work weeks for $9
Now Gen Z works 20 hours for $25. $65 if you include the Bitcoin investments.
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04-23-2024, 07:15 PM
#158
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
You basically already had that in places like law, accountancy, consulting etc. Fresh graduates were taken on for two year graduate training schemes and their salary went up rapidly over those two years.
Leas education and more learning (apprenticeships/internships) with a low but reasonable wages would be a step in the right direction imo. Prove yourself in the real world, learn through experience, etc. But academia and the financial infrastructure around it seems to disapprove of this perspective.
Employers now have to include extra things in those schemes, such as how to write a formal email. I chit you not, but many graduates cannot write a formal mail. Places like PWC and Deloitte are giving graduates classes on how to write an email.
The lack of intellectual rigor is the most aggregious aspect, in that so many of them have never been challenged.
"why should I hire you?"
"I have xyz qualifications"
"so do the other 300 people whose CVs are in my inbox. What are you, as an individual, going to do for the company that makes you stand out. What are your value addeds?"
"ummm, ermmmm"
"We should change this"
"ok, explain why"
"I believe…"
"stop. Start again without using I believe.
"I feel.."
"stop. No feels or beliefs. Opinions are perfectly fine, as long as you can justify them. I want a bare bones business case. What justifies the change that you want to make."
"starts crying."
They are like baby lions who have never been taught how to hunt. They are kicked out in to the world and are in danger of starving.
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04-24-2024, 08:38 AM
#159
Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
You should see new police officers, physically they're a joke, they don't know how to talk to people, but they're good with computers……
You basically already had that in places like law, accountancy, consulting etc. Fresh graduates were taken on for two year graduate training schemes and their salary went up rapidly over those two years.
Employers now have to include extra things in those schemes, such as how to write a formal email. I chit you not, but many graduates cannot write a formal mail. Places like PWC and Deloitte are giving graduates classes on how to write an email.
The lack of intellectual rigor is the most aggregious aspect, in that so many of them have never been challenged.
"why should I hire you?"
"I have xyz qualifications"
"so do the other 300 people whose CVs are in my inbox. What are you, as an individual, going to do for the company that makes you stand out. What are your value addeds?"
"ummm, ermmmm"
"We should change this"
"ok, explain why"
"I believe…"
"stop. Start again without using I believe.
"I feel.."
"stop. No feels or beliefs. Opinions are perfectly fine, as long as you can justify them. I want a bare bones business case. What justifies the change that you want to make."
"starts crying."
They are like baby lions who have never been taught how to hunt. They are kicked out in to the world and are in danger of starving.
Employers now have to include extra things in those schemes, such as how to write a formal email. I chit you not, but many graduates cannot write a formal mail. Places like PWC and Deloitte are giving graduates classes on how to write an email.
The lack of intellectual rigor is the most aggregious aspect, in that so many of them have never been challenged.
"why should I hire you?"
"I have xyz qualifications"
"so do the other 300 people whose CVs are in my inbox. What are you, as an individual, going to do for the company that makes you stand out. What are your value addeds?"
"ummm, ermmmm"
"We should change this"
"ok, explain why"
"I believe…"
"stop. Start again without using I believe.
"I feel.."
"stop. No feels or beliefs. Opinions are perfectly fine, as long as you can justify them. I want a bare bones business case. What justifies the change that you want to make."
"starts crying."
They are like baby lions who have never been taught how to hunt. They are kicked out in to the world and are in danger of starving.
They're narratives are like novels though, it's pretty hilarious.
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04-24-2024, 09:25 AM
#160
If Braden doesn't want to work five eights, Pajeet will.
The whole name of the phuckin game since the 1970s inflation shock has been wage suppression. Governments want to run big deficits, but they can't do it if consumer inflation takes off, because you get into a very sticky wage-price spiral. So it's been union busting, offshoring, and immigration, all designed to keep inflation and interest rates low.
American workers have no leverage to ask for a de facto raise, and that's by design.The entire system would fall apart if they actually got one.
The whole name of the phuckin game since the 1970s inflation shock has been wage suppression. Governments want to run big deficits, but they can't do it if consumer inflation takes off, because you get into a very sticky wage-price spiral. So it's been union busting, offshoring, and immigration, all designed to keep inflation and interest rates low.
American workers have no leverage to ask for a de facto raise, and that's by design.The entire system would fall apart if they actually got one.
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04-25-2024, 04:41 PM
#161
Originally Posted By longfellowdeeds⏩
I'm conservative/lean towards moderate
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
See below
Age : 31
Sure you are.
Maybe these days because the left has moved so far that slightly left of center is now "far right".
Sure you are.
Maybe these days because the left has moved so far that slightly left of center is now "far right".
Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
He's correct, politics isn't really relevant here. I grew up basically left-wing but no knowledge of politics, just whatever was on the news. Mid to late 20's I slowly went more conservative.
No, it’s just not particularly relevant to anything.
Of course people can choose to work fewer hours. The question is how much additional money can they demand in exchange for a given hour of labour.
Of course people can choose to work fewer hours. The question is how much additional money can they demand in exchange for a given hour of labour.
Anyways,
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'm not sure what position you're arguing for since I didn't read this whole thread.
Age : 31
Sure you are.
Maybe these days because the left has moved so far that slightly left of center is now "far right".
Sure you are.
Maybe these days because the left has moved so far that slightly left of center is now "far right".
In the industry I work in, software within the last 25 years has reduced man hours by so much that companies just increased production, other companies followed to stay competitive. Greed prevails.
Lower production = less hours worked. It's not that hard. But this doesn't apply to all industries.
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04-29-2024, 02:36 PM
#162
I've been pulling 10+ hour days for 5-6 days a week for 20 years. I'm all for a 4 day work week. I'd gladly sacrifice the compensation if it meant getting the extra time every week. A local factory just approved a rotating schedule last week. (Rotating Fridays off) Do what you do millennial HR managers. No hate here.
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04-29-2024, 02:38 PM
#163
I thought most of us are on that 0 day work week time anyways. Literally nobody works anymore lmao
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