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08-06-2024, 07:15 AM
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Hitler and Cardi B
Thanks for your input sir

I'm not sure I can are much more into it you've seem to get it
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08-06-2024, 07:16 AM
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I think they call that Lucid Dreaming
Might also kinda research this. I saw a guy recently having this and saying he saw hell and torture and become a believer in God.
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08-06-2024, 07:16 AM
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Thanks for the contribution sir not sure I have much of an opinion
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08-06-2024, 07:18 AM
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That's maybe the christian lens but Allah to us is far above his creation. He isn't like anything. Even using the term "he" is more about the Arabic language than to indicate he is a male. He is neither male or female but rather things have gender in the language. English is different where you don't really have this concept.
You don’t find it odd that the Quran affirms the Bible, but the Bible never affirms the Quran?

I’ve read bits and pieces of the Quran & have been watching quite a few debates..I can’t fathom how anyone accepts that book as a revelation from God.

Sorry not to steer off topic but all I see are contradictory statements & passages that are just pure evil in there..like allowing sex with girls before puberty..I admit my understanding of it is limited.
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08-06-2024, 07:18 AM
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I know Saudi Arabia has made remarkable progress. And they give their people a lot, but they are not free. It is not a free country. If you say the wrong thing there, you can be killed. Here, nobody cares. The worst that might happen is you could lose your job.
I'd rather again prevention than fixing a solution. I agree though it's not perfect but having the ability to say anything and you end up like Twitter. That place is an absolute mess. I'm also not for absolute censorship either and being shutdown and controlled. It's a hard thing to balance and it's always going to be bias to a degree.
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08-06-2024, 07:21 AM
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You don’t find it odd that the Quran affirms the Bible, but the Bible never affirms the Quran?

I’ve read bits and pieces of the Quran & have been watching quite a few debates..I can’t fathom how anyone accepts that book as a revelation from God.

Sorry not to steer off topic but all I see are contradictory statements & passages that are just pure evil in there..like allowing sex with girls before puberty..
That's great that you find your truth my friend. I don't know where the Quran mentions the word bible once as that's a Greek work meaning a collection of books.

If all you've figured out about Islam is sex with little girls as the main theme after reading it, idk what book you've read. The main theme of the Quran is monotheism and worship one God.
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08-06-2024, 07:22 AM
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Alright will check this maybe later today thanks for your inputs and good points. Got some videos to watch this weekend as well.
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08-06-2024, 07:29 AM
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That's great that you find your truth my friend. I don't know where the Quran mentions the word bible once as that's a Greek work meaning a collection of books.

If all you've figured out about Islam is sex with little girls as the main theme after reading it, idk what book you've read. The main theme of the Quran is monotheism and worship one God.
The Quran affirms what the Jews and Christians had at the time of Mohammad..which was the Torah and the Bible

But the Quran does allow for sex & marriage to prepubescent children..
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08-06-2024, 07:34 AM
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The Quran affirms what the Jews and Christians had at the time of Mohammad..which was the Torah and the Bible

But the Quran does allow for sex & marriage to prepubescent children..
Thanks for letting me know. I am not sure what your point is though.
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08-06-2024, 07:56 AM
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Thanks for letting me know. I am not sure what your point is though.
The Quran states the Scripture is true & Muslims must accept it, if you accept it than you must accept Jesus as your Lord & Savior
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08-06-2024, 08:06 AM
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The Quran states the Scripture is true & Muslims must accept it, if you accept it than you must accept Jesus as your Lord & Savior
I'm confused then because like 2 billion people don't have this belief that you pointed out. Where did you get this from?
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08-06-2024, 08:07 AM
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Because, I believe it is impossible to have creation without a creator.
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08-06-2024, 08:16 AM
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I'm confused then because like 2 billion people don't have this belief that you pointed out. Where did you get this from?
From your Quran…
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08-06-2024, 08:22 AM
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Because, I believe it is impossible to have creation without a creator.
Of course

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From your Quran…
But what I'm saying is how did you come up with that? Who is the scholar who narrated what you said and their isnad? Name just one chain to make it easy. Which tafseer says this?

I'm checking this later out for now my friend
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08-06-2024, 03:46 PM
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I wonder why NDE people tend to always change their perspectives. Is it simply more than a dream?
Because a very persistent theme during them is understanding the interconnectedness of everything and many even get to experience firsthand how they impacted people with their actions. I started a thread on the topic. Link to the thread below along with a good example from it.









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08-06-2024, 04:10 PM
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Agnostic here. I can believe in a god but this god has nothing to do with any of the religions out here today. The religions that we have today are contradictory and just by reading the books you can tell that they were made by a man and not an all knowing entity
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08-06-2024, 05:05 PM
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There was no Big Bang..you skipped over the question…

How can you say that there was a big bang when the poorest type of insulator is outer space because there is nothing space to insulate the heat, a big bang could not have occurred is because no amount of gravity can pull all matter into one infinitesimal region by any stretch of the imagination because the pressures exerting outward are thousands of times greater than the gravity pulling the matter in…Think?
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i have already said i personally do not think the big bang model is true in its current form, but that it is still useful. i was explaining the big bang model to you, since you think it was an infinitely dense point in space. there was no vacuum or anything else outside of the proposed infinitely dense point, there was nothing (which is not the same as no matter in space, literally absense of anything). that is why it did not become a black hole, there was no space, it created space, there were no physical or time dimensions at all
This, the Big Bang model describes the expansion of the universe from an incredibly hot and dense state, not an explosion within existing space. The concept of insulation doesn't apply in the context of a vacuum like space.

Also, the conditions at the universe's beginning were extraordinarily extreme. Our current understanding of physics, including gravity and pressure, might not fully explain those initial moments.
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08-06-2024, 05:20 PM
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Because a very persistent theme during them is understanding the interconnectedness of everything and many even get to experience firsthand how they impacted people with their actions. I started a thread on the topic. Link to the thread below along with a good example from it.









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Bookmarked I got a few videos thanks brother I'll take a look at the thread too
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08-06-2024, 05:21 PM
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Agnostic here. I can believe in a god but this god has nothing to do with any of the religions out here today. The religions that we have today are contradictory and just by reading the books you can tell that they were made by a man and not an all knowing entity
Just to ask, you think there's a God maybe. So how'd you determine that?

How can you say for certain no religion is correct if you yourself are skeptical?
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08-06-2024, 05:23 PM
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This, the Big Bang model describes the expansion of the universe from an incredibly hot and dense state, not an explosion within existing space. The concept of insulation doesn't apply in the context of a vacuum like space.

Also, the conditions at the universe's beginning were extraordinarily extreme. Our current understanding of physics, including gravity and pressure, might not fully explain those initial moments.


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08-06-2024, 05:25 PM
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This, the Big Bang model describes the expansion of the universe from an incredibly hot and dense state, not an explosion within existing space. The concept of insulation doesn't apply in the context of a vacuum like space.

Also, the conditions at the universe's beginning were extraordinarily extreme. Our current understanding of physics, including gravity and pressure, might not fully explain those initial moments.
I'm gonna humbly say I'm too dumb to debate science so I'll let you all go at it. Thanks for contributing and I'll read the posts to see if I can see the viewpoints
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08-06-2024, 05:35 PM
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I think it's worth noting that the thread has done quite well RE: everyone remaining respectful. OP: Apologies for for engaging the bros about/contributing to the science stuff and I appreciate your point about sticking to theology. Hopefully it doesn't derail the spirit huehuehue huehuehue of your thread too much.

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That is incorrect. Neanderthal dna is detectable in humans because they were humans, there is no link between ape & man nor any relation to a species that once was ape like.
Neanderthals were humans absolutely, of the genus homo but not homo sapien as most people would consider to be human. They were more similar to homo sapiens than to other primates, but they were a distinct species to us.

Scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the idea that humans and Neanderthals shared a common ancestor, and that this ancestor was ape-like.

Your whole underpinning argument appears to be an old one - that there is not a linear unbroken chain of links from ape to man albeit you have shifted with teh science and are now (accurately) calling the link an "ape like" ancestor.

So to help me understand, is this what you are asking for and suggesting that if the chain of links is incomplete then the whole ancestral theory is false?

To further clarify my question, to satisfactorily refute your rejection of an ape like common ancestor for all great apes (which would include homo sapiens) we need to have a clean, unbroken linear chain of links from us to the supposed ape like ancestor - correct?

For anyone interested, the Smithsonian is a great resource on this subject all in one place but for cutting edge stuff you need to branch out (just like our evolutionary tree huehuehue).

e.g. an article on evolution and religion:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/about/br...acts-committee
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08-06-2024, 05:40 PM
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I think it's worth noting that the thread has done quite well RE: everyone remaining respectful. OP: Apologies for for engaging the bros about/contributing to the science stuff and I appreciate your point about sticking to theology. Hopefully it doesn't derail the spirit huehuehue huehuehue of your thread too much.



Neanderthals were humans absolutely, of the genus homo but not homo sapien as most people would consider to be human. They were more similar to homo sapiens than to other primates, but they were a distinct species to us.

Scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the idea that humans and Neanderthals shared a common ancestor, and that this ancestor was ape-like.

Your whole underpinning argument appears to be an old one - that there is not a linear unbroken chain of links from ape to man albeit you have shifted with teh science and are now (accurately) calling the link an "ape like" ancestor.

So to help me understand, is this what you are asking for and suggesting that if the chain of links is incomplete then the whole ancestral theory is false?

To further clarify my question, to satisfactorily refute your rejection of an ape like common ancestor for all great apes (which would include homo sapiens) we need to have a clean, unbroken linear chain of links from us to the supposed ape like ancestor - correct?

For anyone interested, the Smithsonian is a great resource on this subject all in one place but for cutting edge stuff you need to branch out (just like our evolutionary tree huehuehue).

e.g. an article on evolution and religion:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/about/br...acts-committee
Nah all good brother I really want people to discuss we can't be like the liberals and shut down dialog.

I'll stay silent on things that ain't my field.

I agree this thread has been good I'm actually surprised people listened so good job everyone.
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08-06-2024, 05:51 PM
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Nhilist…not a typical psuedo intellectual edgy non believer though…I actually have quite a bit of respect for Christianity and religion as a whole and put in the effort to try and understand it…it's just not for me and never will be…but yeah..Don't have a problem with religion at all.
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Nhilist…not a typical psuedo intellectual edgy non believer though…I actually have quite a bit of respect for Christianity and religion as a whole and put in the effort to try and understand it…it's just not for me and never will be…but yeah..Don't have a problem with religion at all.
Did you grow up Christian?
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Did you grow up Christian?
Nope…was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1980. Came to the US in 1986…Dad is Muslim, Mom belongs to non denominational Christian church, and sister is Catholic.
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Nope…was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1980. Came to the US in 1986…Dad is Muslim, Mom belongs to non denominational Christian church, and sister is Catholic.
Ah okay gotcha
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I think it's worth noting that the thread has done quite well RE: everyone remaining respectful. OP: Apologies for for engaging the bros about/contributing to the science stuff and I appreciate your point about sticking to theology. Hopefully it doesn't derail the spirit huehuehue huehuehue of your thread too much.



Neanderthals were humans absolutely, of the genus homo but not homo sapien as most people would consider to be human. They were more similar to homo sapiens than to other primates, but they were a distinct species to us.

Scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the idea that humans and Neanderthals shared a common ancestor, and that this ancestor was ape-like.

Your whole underpinning argument appears to be an old one - that there is not a linear unbroken chain of links from ape to man albeit you have shifted with teh science and are now (accurately) calling the link an "ape like" ancestor.

So to help me understand, is this what you are asking for and suggesting that if the chain of links is incomplete then the whole ancestral theory is false?

To further clarify my question, to satisfactorily refute your rejection of an ape like common ancestor for all great apes (which would include homo sapiens) we need to have a clean, unbroken linear chain of links from us to the supposed ape like ancestor - correct?

For anyone interested, the Smithsonian is a great resource on this subject all in one place but for cutting edge stuff you need to branch out (just like our evolutionary tree huehuehue).

e.g. an article on evolution and religion:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/about/br...acts-committee
There is zero evidence for that though. It doesn't exist. So when atheists push the idea of Christians believing in a sky daddy, we can simply infantilize your ideas as well because you believe we evolved from apes despite zero evidence as such.

Atheism doesn't have a leg to stand on. I was one and tried my hardest to stay the course, but evolutionary science is nothing but theoretical hocus pocus. It's actually anti-science simply cannot even be tested. They don't even have a working timeline because it is constantly changing. The eyeball alone shuts down the idea of it. The complexity of nature and the patterns and fractals in nature alone point to a creation. It is completely illogical to see how the entire world works in symbiosis and as an organic battery and believe it was made from nothing and is somehow floating through a black void with no inherent purpose. And we just come to be over billions of years? Just because? For survival? That's genuinely illogical.
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There is zero evidence for that though. It doesn't exist. So when atheists push the idea of Christians believing in a sky daddy, we can simply infantilize your ideas as well because you believe we evolved from apes despite zero evidence as such.

Atheism doesn't have a leg to stand on. I was one and tried my hardest to stay the course, but evolutionary science is nothing but theoretical hocus pocus. It's actually anti-science simply cannot even be tested. They don't even have a working timeline because it is constantly changing. The eyeball alone shuts down the idea of it. The complexity of nature and the patterns and fractals in nature alone point to a creation. It is completely illogical to see how the entire world works in symbiosis and as an organic battery and believe it was made from nothing and is somehow floating through a black void with no inherent purpose. And we just come to be over billions of years? Just because? For survival? That's genuinely illogical.
I would love to talk to the whale that learned to walk. She's def a keeper. Defies gravity.
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Ah okay gotcha
Yeah.. I was never really a Muslim and my views on that faith are less than pessimistic but that's all I'm at liberty to say as I don't feel it's proper to mock a man's faith…regardless of what that faith might be.
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