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01-06-2017, 11:02 AM
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49ers only team in the NFL to not receive a single All-Pro vote.

That's not that the 49ers didn't have an all-pro…it's that none of our players received even a single pity vote.

Really adds a knife into the whole Trent Baalke situation. To go from where we were in 2012 to today…crazy.

I really hope we bring in the Pats duo and they can work some miracles. Hell i'd even be ok with them trading the #2 for Garoppolo if they're our GM/HC because they know him as good as anyone. I'd still be bummed(at WORST I'd hope the trade would be a swap of #2 for the pats first rounder) but knowing they believe that much in him and the fit in the scheme would be much easier to swallow than say another HC/GM making the same trade and having Jimmy adjust to their system.

That could definitely work

Jimmy Garoppolo + lets say pick 30 for #2 overall.

We can be looking at

Jimmy
Takkarist McKinley with the Pats first
OJ Howard with the 2nd rounder

I can definitely live with that.

inb4 Yorks get us Tom Cable as HC and Jimmy Raye's son as GM
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01-06-2017, 01:55 PM
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Seattle radio said you guys are going to take a serious look at Tom Cable.
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01-06-2017, 01:59 PM
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Seattle radio said you guys are going to take a serious look at Tom Cable.
God I hope not
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01-06-2017, 02:01 PM
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God I hope not

Lmaoooo
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01-06-2017, 04:15 PM
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Lmaoooo
Honestly if they hired him as HC then York would look like the biggest bitch around.

He's already hated by most people for getting rid of Harbaugh(I still think the move was the right one but the replacement choice was awful) but saying the whole "win with class" crap then hiring Cable would be total hypocrite move.

inb4 Cable is our next HC and Paraag is named GM.

Will legit stop watching the team if something like that happens btw. These guys need to give me hope. Every fuking holiday I have to hear from my family about how I should just become a Pats fan.
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01-06-2017, 04:27 PM
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Who would you have replaced Harbaugh with?
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01-06-2017, 04:40 PM
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Who would you have replaced Harbaugh with?
I wanted Kubiak
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01-06-2017, 04:54 PM
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I wanted Kubiak
i wanted him too, guess with the difference in rosters and his health issues it wouldn't have worked out with us.

This organization is just fukked. I was going to say I want a young guy with an offensive background as our HC and then I remembered we just had that…and he was given one year with a sh*t roster.
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01-06-2017, 05:01 PM
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I really am starting to feel like we should have kept Chip around at least for a little bit. I just don't get the sense that with this team having a new coach/GM/full rebuild that we are going to be that much better. I think at least having continuity with the coach may have helped. That said certain people said Chip was too relaxed and young guys weren't being held accountable. I don't know how many HC around are respected enough to bring that in, let alone current candidates. I think that revolves more around players and having solid veteran leadership, which is something we also lack and look like we will continue too. It's truly mind-blowing how much veteran leadership and effort the team had just a few years back to where we are now.


I am more than a little suspect that still with Jed and his butt buddy Paraag that whatever the decision made is not going to be a good one and bring much positive towards the team.
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01-06-2017, 08:12 PM
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They should have at the very least kept Chip and let the new GM decide his fate. What if the new GM would have been willing to work with Chip?
LOL @ people who follow politics
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01-07-2017, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus
49ers only team in the NFL to not receive a single All-Pro vote.

That's not that the 49ers didn't have an all-pro…it's that none of our players received even a single pity vote.

Really adds a knife into the whole Trent Baalke situation. To go from where we were in 2012 to today…crazy.

I really hope we bring in the Pats duo and they can work some miracles. Hell i'd even be ok with them trading the #2 for Garoppolo if they're our GM/HC because they know him as good as anyone. I'd still be bummed(at WORST I'd hope the trade would be a swap of #2 for the pats first rounder) but knowing they believe that much in him and the fit in the scheme would be much easier to swallow than say another HC/GM making the same trade and having Jimmy adjust to their system.

That could definitely work

Jimmy Garoppolo + lets say pick 30 for #2 overall.

We can be looking at

Jimmy
Takkarist McKinley with the Pats first
OJ Howard with the 2nd rounder

I can definitely live with that.

inb4 Yorks get us Tom Cable as HC and Jimmy Raye's son as GM
u could also try to trade down your #2 for a high 1st and 2nd/3rd and then if u need to make a trade for a QB u won't end up empty handed

*** inb4 Yorks get us Tom Cable as HC and Jimmy Raye's son as GM ***

^^^ let's be honest that is what prob is going to happen :-/
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01-07-2017, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Miked1978
They should have at the very least kept Chip and let the new GM decide his fate. What if the new GM would have been willing to work with Chip?
If we're able to get a legit HC/GM then it's worth it.

I do think there's something to be said for a clean slate. We also don't know what they know. Hate to give Jed any credit but the more we hear the more it sounds like Trent was a big problem and possibly why a lot of top HC candidates in post Harbaugh era avoided us(makes sense because they all probably called Harbaugh to see wtf the deal was)

So maybe they actually wanted McDaniels or someone like him instead of Chip and couldn't get them because Trent was around. Now to get a combo in place that they want to work well with each other you do need the clean slate.

I'm hoping McDaniels is the guy they hire(and he accepts) and if that's the case I think basically the GM is whomever he wants to work with.
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01-07-2017, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus
If we're able to get a legit HC/GM then it's worth it.

I do think there's something to be said for a clean slate. We also don't know what they know. Hate to give Jed any credit but the more we hear the more it sounds like Trent was a big problem and possibly why a lot of top HC candidates in post Harbaugh era avoided us(makes sense because they all probably called Harbaugh to see wtf the deal was)

So maybe they actually wanted McDaniels or someone like him instead of Chip and couldn't get them because Trent was around. Now to get a combo in place that they want to work well with each other you do need the clean slate.

I'm hoping McDaniels is the guy they hire(and he accepts) and if that's the case I think basically the GM is whomever he wants to work with.
Think about our last three head coaches.

The first one went to 3 straight NFCCG and one SB, and then there were rumors of the 49ers trying to trade him prior to the season. With that hanging over the team and a bunch of injuries he goes 8-8 and gets fired ("mutual parting of ways").

The next coach gets one season and gets fired.

The last coach gets one season and gets fired.





Why in the fuk would any legitimate candidate want to come here?
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01-07-2017, 08:27 AM
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Gonna lol hard when Jed hires Jeff Fisher
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01-07-2017, 10:48 AM
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Gonna lol hard when Jed hires Jeff Fisher
I'd be out srs…

And for your previous question - super low expectations and lots of cap space/draft picks to play with.

49ers do have some building blocks, not great but some talent is there. If a HC feels he has a long leash where he doesnt' have to even win a game next year or two to keep his job that's not a bad gig to get because the upside is really good.

49ers defense can return to pretty good fairly quickly with some free agent/draft moves.

Sign Dontari Poe or Brandon Williams at NT. Buckner, one of them, Armstead can be a pretty damn dominant front
Draft a pass rusher(draft is full of quality rushers this year) and sign someone like Zach Brown from Buffalo. Now our linebackers are back to pretty respectable.
Our secondary can use a couple of additions but it's probably our strongest unit if the pass rush is there.

Offense really needs a QB and a #1 WR.

QB is not easy to get but it's still one guy you have to find. WR is easier to find and a Josh McDaniels can make due with #2 guys.
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01-07-2017, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus
I'd be out srs…

And for your previous question - super low expectations and lots of cap space/draft picks to play with.

49ers do have some building blocks, not great but some talent is there. If a HC feels he has a long leash where he doesnt' have to even win a game next year or two to keep his job that's not a bad gig to get because the upside is really good.

49ers defense can return to pretty good fairly quickly with some free agent/draft moves.

Sign Dontari Poe or Brandon Williams at NT. Buckner, one of them, Armstead can be a pretty damn dominant front
Draft a pass rusher(draft is full of quality rushers this year) and sign someone like Zach Brown from Buffalo. Now our linebackers are back to pretty respectable.
Our secondary can use a couple of additions but it's probably our strongest unit if the pass rush is there.

Offense really needs a QB and a #1 WR.

QB is not easy to get but it's still one guy you have to find. WR is easier to find and a Josh McDaniels can make due with #2 guys.
No reason for any candidate to think that with the recent coaching firings.
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01-07-2017, 07:09 PM
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So much for the dream pairing of Caserio and McDaniels

Hope they're still able to at least get McDaniels as HC but super frustrating to hear guys are turning us down because of the **** show in the ownership team.
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01-07-2017, 07:14 PM
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Introducing the new head coach of the San Francisco 49ers, Tom Cable.
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01-07-2017, 07:24 PM
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Introducing the new head coach of the San Francisco 49ers, Tom Cable.
Ugh…it may wind up this way. I was thinking maybe the clean slate situation and cap space/early pick would get us a decent GM/HC combo but once again quality candidates are not even bothering to interview which is a giant red flag. They interviewed McDaniels but they've done it before and he told them to fuk off…hoping this is the year he says yes but for all I know he told them what he wants to do to make the team better and Paraag doesn't agree and Jed trusts that guy like he's his lover.
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01-07-2017, 08:13 PM
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Welcome to 2006. The York's got their stadium and have purged all football minds ever since. This organization is fukked and I've got zero faith in the ownership doing the right thing going forward.
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01-09-2017, 09:38 PM
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GM's are being told to avoid the 49ers job.


Fukkin LOL


Gonna be even worse for head coaches. We got fukking lucky that Chip Kelly came here after the previous handling of coaches. This offseason is going to be atrocious. Only hope is that we get lucky and find a decent quarterback somewhere.
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01-10-2017, 12:06 AM
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Even a good QB wont mean anything if we have a bad coach and GM. Besides, there's only been few GMs that declined interviews, doesn't seem to be an uncommon thing when looking to hire personnel from other teams.

On another note, i'm still not sold on Watson as an NFL QB. Maybe if he sits behind a guy like Brees, Palmer, Rivers, for 1-2 years.
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01-10-2017, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Sema2015
GM's are being told to avoid the 49ers job.


Fukkin LOL


Gonna be even worse for head coaches. We got fukking lucky that Chip Kelly came here after the previous handling of coaches. This offseason is going to be atrocious. Only hope is that we get lucky and find a decent quarterback somewhere.
Do you have a link to this?


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Do you have a link to this?


If true gamble will be promoted.
I'm sure he was referring to the story about Caserio being advised to stay away. Remains to be seen how bad it is. I'm trying to not react to all the rumors and just see how it goes.
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01-10-2017, 07:56 AM
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Do you have a link to this?


If true gamble will be promoted.
No link, just heard it on the Colin Cowherd show.
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01-10-2017, 10:19 AM
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for what its worth, jed said no internal candidates for GM or HC.
we can only hope
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01-10-2017, 11:46 AM
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Honestly my #1 hope is to get McDaniels as HC.

I would love one of the top tier GMs but at the end of the day I think McDaniels and the new GM can work together to get the best guys in to fit what he's looking to do.

I posted this on the webzone about why he's the #1 guy I want for us so just gonna paste it in here.

1. "Winning culture" - Let's be honest what the 49ers were in the 80s, NE is in this era of football. If you want to copy the culture of any franchise in the NFL today it's the Pats. McDaniels has been with the Pats for a long time. He knows what it takes to be a great coach by watching what Belichick does and he knows what it takes to be a great QB by coaching/watching Brady. People will listen to a man who can say "This is what Tom Brady does, if you want to be great you should do similar thigns"

2. Lessons learned - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...pick-his-spots No question he was a mess with Denver. He was 34, there is still much to learn at that point including that preparing guys to win isn't all it takes to be HC. So many coaches failed in their first stint. It's not an easy job and a second chance for him means he knows what he did well and what he did poorly. I think that's a great attribute in a non first time HC.

3. Jimmy Garoppolo connection - We have a huge gap at QB. Jimmy Garoppolo will be available for trade. It's too perfect of a fit. If Josh is our HC few guys know whether Jimmy is the real deal more than him. If we traded for him he would be a plug and play starter who knows Josh's system inside and out and could help coach up the players in potential offseason workouts or in camp.

4. Our needs at WR - no question our receivers suck and we need help there but outside of the few years they had Randy Moss there the Pats rarely had a true #1 type WR. His offense can put the guys we have already into good positions and get them playing at a high level. Any additional talent would be a major plus but Kerley and Ellington(if he can stay healthy) would be perfect slot type receivers for his offense.

5. Defense - he'd be coming in to help the offense but working with Bill all those years I can't imagine he didn't learn a thing or two and best way to keep a defense together. Now the Pats D has played very well but how much talent do they really have? Outside of a few guys I can't say they have anyone super impressive and yet they play as a cohesive unit. He'll need a good DC in place but I'm sure he learned what it takes to get a defense playing as a unit and exceeding the talent of the individual players.

6. Draft strength - given his abilities as an offensive coach, especially if we can trade for Garoppolo the strength of this draft is on the defensive side of the ball. I think it plays well into our rebuilding. We can add pieces on offense but his ability to coach up lesser talent guys and make them look better than they are on offense let's us use most of the draft picks on the defensive side of the ball and get that unit back to what it used to be. Moving forward we can then add the nice toys on offense to really get the offense to another level.

It sounds like Riddick is the guy associated the most with McDaniels as HC/GM combo and I'd be lying if I said i knew a lot about him outside of what I read and he wouldn't be my preferred guy but I'd roll the dice if it meant getting McDaniels.

At the end of the day it's still a group effort with scouts finding guys to bring to the big men and they making the final call depending on what they're looking for to improve the team.

Honestly I think this team can be turned around fairly quickly with a bit of luck and the right signings in FA/draft picks. But it will take a few years to get the proper depth in place because we all know no team stays constantly healthy.

Here's how I see our positions…assuming McDaniels is HC

The positions where I'm listing depth I think we're "ok" with the current starters but can use depth or future starters which can be addressed via draft or free agency

QB - Trade for Garoppolo/draft for starter. FA for depth
RB - depth
WR - FA/Draft for #1 type WR, draft depth
TE - FA/Draft
OT - depth
OG - depth
C - draft

DE - depth
NT - free agency Dontari Poe or Brandon Williams
OLB - draft - full of great pass rushers
ILB - FA/draft. I like Zach Brown from Buffalo but would also look at drafting someone
CB - FA, draft depth
S - depth

K - draft/FA
KR/PR - draft

I think the biggest addition would be Garoppolo, not only because he's a QB which is our biggest need but as I mentioned above his comfort with McDaniels and his system. Martelles Bennett could make a lot of sense as well given how much the Pats and McDaniels likes to multi TE sets.

As far as the draft goes if we can walk away with Myles Garrett and Jimmy Garoppolo that goes a long way to improving the team. The rest of the picks(about 8) can be used for depth and hopefully we can find a couple of draft steals.

If we don't get Garoppolo then obviously the rebuild will take a bit longer.
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01-10-2017, 12:05 PM
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I honestly feel the way that the GM and coaching search is going, is a huge front. In my honest opinion I feel like slimy Jed and Paraag know who they are gonna pick already, and are having a huge coaching search, which they are announcing everyone they interview to seem transparent, but I think its all phony. I think 90% of these interviews are being done without any intention of working with the actual candidate and that they have their top choices already set in stone.
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01-10-2017, 12:47 PM
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I honestly feel the way that the GM and coaching search is going, is a huge front. In my honest opinion I feel like slimy Jed and Paraag know who they are gonna pick already, and are having a huge coaching search, which they are announcing everyone they interview to seem transparent, but I think its all phony. I think 90% of these interviews are being done without any intention of working with the actual candidate and that they have their top choices already set in stone.
Well i think that's the case for any franchise though. You have a clear cut favorite and then you interview everyone to see if someone sways you otherwise.

Now the issue will be if their "favorite" is a disaster and someone totally not qualified…like Tomsula.

I'm down for chitting all over Jed and Paraag but it would be pretty stupid of them to just interview the one guy they wanted and suddenly be left holding their dicks when that person goes somewhere else or says no thanks.
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01-10-2017, 05:47 PM
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For whatever it's worth I heard McVay made a good impression on the Niners and Rams. I still want McDaniels/Eliott, seems like the most reasonable pairing which means it likely won't happen.
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